All these JFK assassination shows...Why is there any doubt?

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Triumph
I say second gunman only because it's a common term. Perhaps there was only 1 gunman. Perhaps there were 3. But the laws of physics are what they are, and that man was shot from the front.

And my assertion is that is far from certain.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Triumph
I say second gunman only because it's a common term. Perhaps there was only 1 gunman. Perhaps there were 3. But the laws of physics are what they are, and that man was shot from the front.

And my assertion is that is far from certain.

You're entitled to that. And you're also entitled to ignore the law of conservation of linear momentum, if you wish.

 

[glugglug]

There was no 2nd gunman. The limo had blown a fuse, and the driver replaced the fuse with a bullet. When the "fuse" blew, it went through JFK's head. Similar to darwin nominee number 18 here

 

[NeoV]

I've always been fascinated by this...pick on Oliver Stone all you want, but the book the movie is loosely based on has much less 'fiction' in it, and raises many of the same questions without the hollywood stuff, and there are certainly enough questions about the findings of the Warren commish. to support many of the so-called theories about what really happened that day. My few thoughts are:

Why did parts of his skull/head/brain fly out the back if he was shot from the back? Jackie retrieved a piece of his skull/head/brain from the back right after he was shot, didn't she?

The magic bullet issue has been raised by many, many other people - this isn't a Stone-made term either. The order of shots & wounds as stated by the Warren C doesn't work with what you can see in the Zappruder film in terms of Gov Connally's wounds.

There are so many other things....I wonder if we will ever learn any more about this...

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Triumph
I say second gunman only because it's a common term. Perhaps there was only 1 gunman. Perhaps there were 3. But the laws of physics are what they are, and that man was shot from the front.

And my assertion is that is far from certain.

You're entitled to that. And you're also entitled to ignore the law of conservation of linear momentum, if you wish.

Not necessarily. If the bullet came out the back of his head and brain matter and all that stuff came out, that means the bullet also went out. If the bullet didn't come out the other side of JFK's head then what I'm about to say is bunk, but if it did come out the other side then only a certain amount of kinetic energy was transferred to his head, which would perhaps not cause his head to jerk back as much as you think it would. Bullets are engineered for a lower amount of friction (to increase speed out of the barrel of a gun) so it could be assumed that there wasn't much energy transfer. I realize bullets have an amazing amount of kinetic energy due to their extremely high velocity (K = (1/2)(mv^2)) but we can't make any certain assumptions about what happened. The exit speed of the bullet would greatly help determine what happened, but obviously no one has that information. All I'm trying to say is that everything isn't so cut and dry.

Edit: It's also possible that a lot of the energy turned to heat instead of making his head move.

 

[alkemyst]

Want to create a mass incorrect assumption of a situation....plant a few 'moles' in the crowd. Have them loudly proclaim things they 'saw'....other's will jump on the bandwagon in hopes to get to talk to the media etc.

With the Kennedy thing there was so much mismanagement of the case, examination, witnesses, etc there is no way to even be sure how many bullets hit him.

Almost everything Kennedy did could have set up the path way to an assassination:

He wanted to go back to an American backed bill (the $2 bill) and that really p!ssed of groups like the Rothchilds and Lehman Bros of the world.

He was messing around with some high profile women, jealousy is a leading cause of killing someone....

He was involved with Vietnam/Bay of Pigs/etc much in a way that was anti-profit to a lot of 'big boys'.

He didn't negotiate and plea bargain with lobbyists....

Then there is deeper conspiracy type theories like Mervogian and Arthurian links to his past, etc...

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Triumph
"Was there really a second gunman?"
"Did Oswald act alone?"
"Was there someone on the grassy knoll?"

Jesus H. Christ, YES THERE WAS SOMEONE. We have a video which clearly, CLEARLY shows JFK being SHOT IN THE FACE. All these people spend time examining audio tapes of police radios and other stuff, then they try and conclude that there was no 2nd gunman. I just don't understand how people can make that assertation with a straight face.

Maybe the second gunman wasn't on the grassy knoll. Maybe he was in a drain, or on the bridge, I don't know. But someone shot JFK in the face from the front, and there isn't any denying that. So what's the problem?

The bullet blew the right hemisphere of his brain out, from back to front. If it had hit him from the front, it would have blew the left hemisphere along with part of the right out, and the exit wound wouldnt have been visible on camera.

Also, the bullet was of a size and moving at such a rate of speed that the force of his brains exiting the front right portion of his head pushed his head back and to the left. To the untrained eye it would appear he was shot in the face, but actually his face was intact. Look at the autopsy photos and judge for yourself.

 

[RgrPark]

All you naive people should watch "The Package" starting Gene hackman and Tommy Lee jones.
The movie shows what really happened during the JFK assasination...Of course, the target in this movie is the Russian pres...

 

[Eli]

I thought he was shot more than once?

Doesen't the video show him clutching his neck?

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Eli
I thought he was shot more than once?

Doesen't the video show him clutching his neck?

Yup. First in the neck then in the back of the head.

 

[sillymofo]

Lafayette ordered Johnson to off Kenedy so he can continue making money. Story ends.

 

[Eli]

Anyway.. like I said in the other thread, I don't really know much about the whole thing..

But the thing that raises my eyebrow is the fact that theres so much controversy over the whole thing. There shouldn't be. It should've been a simple murder investigation.

We solve murders with less evidence every day.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Eli
Anyway.. like I said in the other thread, I don't really know much about the whole thing.. But the thing that raises my eyebrow is the fact that theres so much controversy over the whole thing. There shouldn't be. It should've been a simple murder investigation. We solve murders with less evidence every day.

Some "murders" aren't meant to be solved

 

[dtmbb92]

I saw the video about the assassination on FOX and they said that he was shot twice. He was shot in the neck from the rear. They said the bullet exited out the front of Kennedy and went into the right armpit of the governor sitting in front of him. Through the governor's armpit into and through his right wrist and into and lodged into his thigh. Then they said he was shot in the head.

sorry...just read that that was the magic bullet theory

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: nprotz
yup seeing the video clearly shows him being shot in the front of the head....but I agree, why worry about the second gunman....from my point of view there was only one shot to the front....even "if" there was 2 people only one fired so who cares.

If only one shot was fired, how do you explain the fact that Texas Governor Connolly being shot?

Link

then-Texas Governor John Connally, underwent surgery. Governor Connolly was sitting in the front seat of the president's car, and was wounded during the shooting.

IF Kennedy was shot in the front of the head (I'm not saying he was or wasn't), how did that bullet also hit Connolly in the back when he was in the front seat of the car? The bullet hit him in the back, exited his chest, went through his arm and entered his leg.

I think the original question dealt with why there are so many assassination shows and theories... the only people who know what happened aren't talking. I think I read somewhere (years ago) that much of the information brought before the Warren Commission has been classified and is set to become de-classified at some point in the future when everyone involved is very likely to be dead. I've been searching for that reference for years now, and haven't been able to track it down again.

Edit: There is also speculation that the autopsy photos from Bethesda have been altered, or that his body was altered in-flight from Dallas to Maryland. They performed an autopsy at Parkland, and determined that he had been shot in the front of the head. The photos and x-rays support that, but the autopsy results from Bethesda Naval Hospital support the shot from behind theory.

 

[coolVariable]

If at all he wasn't shot from the front by the second gunman.
Otherwise the gunman must have used a very special magic bullet that didn't shatter the front window of the car.
But then again maybe he was shot by the driver with two 6-shooters?

 

[dtmbb92]

bump for others thoughts on the matter

 

[Ornery]

• Dealey Plaza Headwound Witnesses

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

This discussion talks about everything except for the most important aspect...the legal one.

There isn't enough evidence to prove more gunmen. ISN'T ENOUGH. I'm not saying there isn't ANY, but NOT ENOUGH. Sorry, place your beliefs where they may lie. Frankly, discussions like this are pointless, everyone finds a sliver of information to make their new bible on the subject with neither sides acquiescing to ill attempts of persuasion.