All the Blue collar jobs that can be outsourced have been. Now white collar (college degree) jobs are being outsourced

[JEDI]

CNN

"College graduates, by contrast, look more outsourceable by the day. New studies from the Kauffman Foundation and Duke University show companies massively shifting high-skilled work--research, development, engineering, even corporate finance--from the U.S. to low-cost countries like India and China. "

What degree has the least likely hood of being outsourced?

DISCUSS

 

[Queasy]

Really? Makes me wonder about all those blue collar jobs from Kia and other auto manufacturers that are being in-sourced...

 

[wvtalbot]

I study Geographical info system, since a large portion of the GIS jobs in this country require a security clearance it is hard to outsource them.

 

[Ameesh]

People who are good at their job will not be outsourced. If you are mediocre or bad at what you do then you deserve to have your job taken away from. (this applies to white collar jobs)

/end of thread

 

[tranceport]

They took er jeeb's

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
People who are good at their job will not be outsourced. If you are mediocre or bad at what you do then you deserve to have your job taken away from. (this applies to white collar jobs)

/end of thread

You'd like to think that (because you think it makes you secure) but the reality is that there are probably hundreds of people as talented and educated as you (if not more so) that are lined up to do your job at a fraction of your wage.

Viper GTS

 

[MKE]

take classes in foreign languages

 

[mugs]

Criminal justice

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Ameesh
People who are good at their job will not be outsourced. If you are mediocre or bad at what you do then you deserve to have your job taken away from. (this applies to white collar jobs)

/end of thread

You'd like to think that (because you think it makes you secure) but the reality is that there are probably hundreds of people as talented and educated as you (if not more so) that are lined up to do your job at a fraction of your wage.

Viper GTS

Bingo.

 

[SKoprowski]

Originally posted by: JEDI
CNN

"College graduates, by contrast, look more outsourceable by the day. New studies from the Kauffman Foundation and Duke University show companies massively shifting high-skilled work--research, development, engineering, even corporate finance--from the U.S. to low-cost countries like India and China. "

What degree has the least likely hood of being outsourced?

DISCUSS

So who are you going to blame for all the white collar outsourcing when the Unions aren't in the equation? I though for sure it was always the Unions fault

 

[Regs]

Damn you greedy americans.

 

[Lonyo]

Plumbing.
Or become an electrician.

 

[aircooled]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Plumbing.
Or become an electrician.

pronto los roofers y los framers aprenderán cómo a haga pluming y eléctrico también.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Ameesh
People who are good at their job will not be outsourced. If you are mediocre or bad at what you do then you deserve to have your job taken away from. (this applies to white collar jobs)

/end of thread

You'd like to think that (because you think it makes you secure) but the reality is that there are probably hundreds of people as talented and educated as you (if not more so) that are lined up to do your job at a fraction of your wage.

Viper GTS

A few things to clear up:

1) Most talent on visas demand the same rate/salary as citizens; there is little to no savings
2) The cost-benefit of an out-sourced team is not as pronounced as most people think. Having worked on many projects, some exceeding over 100M in cost, out-sourcing isn't a new strategy for reducing costs for tasks that can be performed in isolation; however, the cost benefit all but completely disappears as soon as customer interaction is required, and it's a necessarily reality of most engineering disciplines. Customers need face-time, your awareness of their requirements, etc. To facilitate this most out-sourced teams have local project managers, but when you factor this into the cost it further equalizes the cost difference.

I know Ameesh is right, and it's not because I simply agree with him. Extending his statements further, top talent simply cannot be commotidized, and it's commodities that can be out-sourced. Those in technical careers need to be multifaceted in accommodating both technical and business aspects. If you rest on a strictly technical background you'll find yourself commoditized, but if you provide additional value to the business being being just another member in an assembly line there's no concern.

Not sure if I'm making sense. I had to rush this response a bit...

 

[Doctorweir]

Audit...you always need to control the n00bs you outsourced to...

 

[JasonSix78]

Lonyo and Mugs already named some good examples. Jobs in the Medical field would be another one I'd imagine.

Andy Rooney feels the same as I do about outsourcing
Watch the video on the right side of the screen.

-Jason

 

[Shadowknight]

They've outsourced medical care as well. They put you on a plane, get you to a hospital, do surgery (or whatever), then send you back home. And no, I'm not kidding. Unfortunately

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Shadowknight
They've outsourced medical care as well. They put you on a plane, get you to a hospital, do surgery (or whatever), then send you back home. And no, I'm not kidding. Unfortunately

That's not outsourcing, that's people actively choosing to fly to another country to have a procedure done for less than it could be done for here.

In most situations it's the person paying that makes the conscious decision to go "offshore". If you go in for a heart transplant a hospital isn't going to go "You know, we could save $180,000 if we shipped this guy to Mexico!" And then 10 minutes later you're on a plane to Juarez.

It doesn't work like that.

The person wanting the procedure makes the call to have it done in another country.

The "blue collar" health care jobs - nursing, physical/respiratory/occupational therapy, radiology, ect can't be outsourced. You have to have bodies in a hospital here to tend to patients.

 

[gigapet]

genetics
robotics
nanotechnology

you will ALWAYS have a job.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: gigapet
genetics
robotics
nanotechnology

you will ALWAYS have a job.

IMO, those are in the most danger of being out-sourced, or at least put in such competition with overseas resources that you're forced to accept a miniscule salary.

Disciplines that are entirely technical directly challenged by overseas resources with solid educational backgrounds. Where the overseas talent falls short is in communication and location, so unless you're competing on those grounds you have little edge.

So, to me, outsourced doesn't always mean actually moving your job overseas. As I described above, it could also mean heavy competition that drives down your own value thus making the opportunities less attractive.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Ameesh
People who are good at their job will not be outsourced. If you are mediocre or bad at what you do then you deserve to have your job taken away from. (this applies to white collar jobs)

/end of thread

You'd like to think that (because you think it makes you secure) but the reality is that there are probably hundreds of people as talented and educated as you (if not more so) that are lined up to do your job at a fraction of your wage.

Viper GTS

A few things to clear up:

1) Most talent on visas demand the same rate/salary as citizens; there is little to no savings
2) The cost-benefit of an out-sourced team is not as pronounced as most people think. Having worked on many projects, some exceeding over 100M in cost, out-sourcing isn't a new strategy for reducing costs for tasks that can be performed in isolation; however, the cost benefit all but completely disappears as soon as customer interaction is required, and it's a necessarily reality of most engineering disciplines. Customers need face-time, your awareness of their requirements, etc. To facilitate this most out-sourced teams have local project managers, but when you factor this into the cost it further equalizes the cost difference.

I know Ameesh is right, and it's not because I simply agree with him. Extending his statements further, top talent simply cannot be commotidized, and it's commodities that can be out-sourced. Those in technical careers need to be multifaceted in accommodating both technical and business aspects. If you rest on a strictly technical background you'll find yourself commoditized, but if you provide additional value to the business being being just another member in an assembly line there's no concern.

Not sure if I'm making sense. I had to rush this response a bit...

No, you make perfect sense but Ameesh is not quite right without the qualification you added - you absolutely have to provide more than just fundamental technical skills. People that have worked in technology for 5 years or more simply cannot avoid expanding their abilities to the business domain and still expect to be employed. There are tons of jobs available today with exactly what you described. Not just local project managers, but local software architects and technical leads are in very high demand today in the US and can easily get upwards of $100k. I have been literally badgered by potential employers so much so that I had to take my resume out from all the job sites within 3 days. The jobs that are being outsourced are the routine programming work.

There is no such thing as *your job*. You only own the value you bring, not the job itself. To stay employed it is critical to understand the value that is required by companies. It is more challenging to stay employed in the U.S but it has corresponding rewards too. You have to work harder to acquire the right set of skills and to constantly keep track of the value companies expect from their employers. But if you do that, there are tons of jobs to pick and choose from and these jobs pay very well too.

 

[cKGunslinger]

DoD Contractor, baby.

 

[rocadelpunk]

teacher?

 

[spike spiegal]

Nope. Off shore tutoring is quite popular and catching on. Don't be surprised when we start seeing class rooms with teachers on video screen from India.

Local hospital here fired their radiology dept and now out-sources it from india.

 

[Shadowknight]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Shadowknight
They've outsourced medical care as well. They put you on a plane, get you to a hospital, do surgery (or whatever), then send you back home. And no, I'm not kidding. Unfortunately

That's not outsourcing, that's people actively choosing to fly to another country to have a procedure done for less than it could be done for here.

In most situations it's the person paying that makes the conscious decision to go "offshore". If you go in for a heart transplant a hospital isn't going to go "You know, we could save $180,000 if we shipped this guy to Mexico!" And then 10 minutes later you're on a plane to Juarez.

It doesn't work like that.

The person wanting the procedure makes the call to have it done in another country.

It works like this; An American company setup the whole thing; you got see the doctor in the U.S., he diagnoses you/whatever, then ships you out to a hospital he owns out in India. They do it there, then ship you back. The patient isn't going "Yo, I'll get this done in India", jump on a plane, then come back. An American Practice set this up to save cash, much like places like Dell where they're based in the U.S., but their "service" is located in India.