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[NoShangriLa]

Saudi Arabia pledges $1 billion to rebuild Gaza

Arab leaders pledge to rebuild Gaza, call for Palestinian unity

Arab states did not specify after the summit how much they would contribute to Gaza, although Saudi Arabia has already pledged 1 billion dollars in aid for Gaza. Kuwait promised another 500 million dollars. The rest of the Arab countries are expected to commit to a total of another 500 million dollars in reconstruction funds and humanitarian aid.

On Monday, Saudi King Abdullah called on all Arab leaders to unite and end disputes about the appropriate diplomatic response to the conflict in Gaza.

What in it for the Saudi to spend $1 billion in this credit crunch era?
Couldn't the king find something more productive to spend his money?
Why the sudden interest in Palestinian well being?
Is there a hidden agenda?
Is there any weight behind this pledge or it is just slip service like tsunami aid charade?

All I have are questions and no answer for these craziness?



Please have a ?courtesy? and leave this tread outside of the over zealous Israel/Gaza thread.

Thank you.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

Couldn't the king find something more productive to spend his money?

Given that guys like this usually spend their money on needless excess, spending $1B to rebuild the homes of people who just got bombs dropped on their heads doesn't sound like a horrible thing.

 

[EagleKeeper]

They do not want the Palestinians to leave Gaza and run to the Arab states for a place to stay.

The last time that happened with the PLO, the visiting Palestinians created trouble/unrest and were kicked out.

The Arabs nations that run a type "class" ship do not need the "unwashed masses" to infect the general population.

Putting the money into Gaza to rebuild the area is worthwhile in a to attempt to keep the Palestinians feeling that some one cares.

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

Couldn't the king find something more productive to spend his money?

Given that guys like this usually spend their money on needless excess, spending $1B to rebuild the homes of people who just got bombs dropped on their heads doesn't sound like a horrible thing.

IMHO, there must be more to it than genuine generosity .

Saudi has been known to treat their employees poorly, cheating on contracts is some of the things that they do best, hording wealth is what they do best as in using OPEC to control the market.

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
They do not want the Palestinians to leave Gaza and run to the Arab states for a place to stay.

The last time that happened with the PLO, the visiting Palestinians created trouble/unrest and were kicked out.

The Arabs nations that run a type "class" ship do not need the "unwashed masses" to infect the general population.

Putting the money into Gaza to rebuild the area is worthwhile in a to attempt to keep the Palestinians feeling that some one cares.

Somehow I don't believe that their generosity is great enough to pay for the "unwashed". Beside that Jordan is a large buffer between the trouble makers and Saudi/Kuwait.

Another point that I like to make is that no countries on earth would break of a chunk of it territory and give autonomous authority to it with out a fight. Therefore giving up and lock the "unwashed" in Palestinian isn't a sound argument.

Just as the British didn't just suddenly give Scotland, Ireland, and Wales complete autonomy.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Jordan kicked out the PLO previously for stirring up trouble.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I see nothing wrong with this so long as the contributions are made above board and publicly reviewable. If any of those donations go towards rearming Hamas then I would definitely have a problem with it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
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If any of those donations go towards rearming Hamas then I would definitely have a problem with it.

Another pipeline exists for those donations.

Who will get the money for rebuilding (planning and actaul work) will be interesting to watch.

 

[dahunan]

Apology to the OP.. I am sorry for not noticing the request to keep this nonpartisan

**yes, I know my comments are quoted below.. and they stand.. but not for this thread

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
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If any of those donations go towards rearming Hamas then I would definitely have a problem with it.

Another pipeline exists for those donations.

Who will get the money for rebuilding (planning and actaul work) will be interesting to watch.

I am going to guess that Hamas operates like the mafia or a union in that only their supporters/members will get the jobs doing the rebuilding. So even if the money itself does not go to Hamas they will still gain influence from it.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Contact me when European Nations offer some reconstruction funds and offer to help fight or hold Zionist terrorists responsible for their crimes

We'll do that once they hold Hamas and Hezbollah responsible for their crimes and terrorist actions.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Contact me when European Nations offer some reconstruction funds and offer to help fight or hold Zionist terrorists responsible for their crimes

"please stay out if you are armed with a flame thrower"

Do everyone a favor and respect the OP's wishes instead of trolling.

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
...
If any of those donations go towards rearming Hamas then I would definitely have a problem with it.

Another pipeline exists for those donations.

Who will get the money for rebuilding (planning and actaul work) will be interesting to watch.

I am going to guess that Hamas operates like the mafia or a union in that only their supporters/members will get the jobs doing the rebuilding. So even if the money itself does not go to Hamas they will still gain influence from it.

Don't worry, the Arabs do not want to give Hamas money and are weary of Iran.

Gaza agreement eludes Arab leaders

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
What in it for the Saudi to spend $1 billion in this credit crunch era?
Couldn't the king find something more productive to spend his money?
Why the sudden interest in Palestinian well being?
Is there a hidden agenda?
Is there any weight behind this pledge or it is just slip service like tsunami aid charade?

All I have are questions and no answer for these craziness?

Saudis have lots of money, and they constantly send aid to Palestinians. They are sending a lot of money now because Israel just destroyed a lot Gaza's of infrastructure. Saudis also arranged the Arab Peace Plan on the basis of international law years ago, shortly after Israel offered Palestinians a "peace plan" which would have had Palestinians forfeit much of their rights and leave Palestine in a permanent state of subjugation to Israel. That is all Saudis can realistically do for Palestinians.

All that information is easily available if you care to look for it, what drives you to assume some hidden agenda instead?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
What in it for the Saudi to spend $1 billion in this credit crunch era?
Couldn't the king find something more productive to spend his money?
Why the sudden interest in Palestinian well being?
Is there a hidden agenda?
Is there any weight behind this pledge or it is just slip service like tsunami aid charade?

All I have are questions and no answer for these craziness?

Saudis have lots of money, and they constantly send aid to Palestinians. They are sending a lot of money now because Israel just destroyed a lot Gaza's of infrastructure. Saudis also arranged the Arab Peace Plan on the basis of international law years ago, shortly after Israel offered Palestinians a "peace plan" which would have had Palestinians forfeit much of their rights and leave Palestine in a permanent state of subjugation to Israel. That is all Saudis can realistically do for Palestinians.

All that information is easily available if you care to look for it, what drives you to assume some hidden agenda instead?

You've only explained what has happened and nothing about why, which was what the OP wanted. There is always a "hidden agenda"--that is, what is in the national interest? It is an interesting question.

 

[fskimospy]

Well one possible explanation is to pacify their populace. The Saudi royal family has a very weak grip on power in SA. They pretty much sit atop a huge volcano of religious unrest. One thing that IS very popular among the general population of nearly every Arab country is aiding Palestine though, so I'm sure the people in their country are very happy about this.

Just my guess on it.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Well one possible explanation is to pacify their populace. The Saudi royal family has a very weak grip on power in SA. They pretty much sit atop a huge volcano of religious unrest. One thing that IS very popular among the general population of nearly every Arab country is aiding Palestine though, so I'm sure the people in their country are very happy about this.

Just my guess on it.

Sounds legit.. doubtful that USA is all that popular in Saudi Arabia and considering that our redheaded stepchild just bombed to death 1000+ Arab men, women and children and cause billions in damages... it would go a long way in keeping the Saudi citizenry in check and at least keep them guessing whose side the royal family is on

**Reminder.. times are not hard for them... They just made off like Oil Barons... VIA our Energy Speculators

 

[NoShangriLa]

I think the anwers is once again oil.

The US invade Afghanistan to secured the Trans Afghanistan oil pipeline, and invaded Iraq to secured the oil supply. US/Israel supported Georgia to secured pipeline that divert former Soviet/Asia oil to the West, and now US/Israel/Saudi kicked the Palestinians that are pro Iran/Russia to secure the Israeli pipeline.

It is sad that people are suffering so that some big corporation can make a buck.

Gaza Aftermath May Impact Israel Oil Pipe Development

A little-known 254-kilometer Israeli pipeline, from the Mediterranean port of Ashkelon to the Red Sea port of Eilat, could rival the Suez Canal as an oil shipment route between former Soviet Union producers and Asian consumers.

The pipeline has a capacity of 400,000 barrels a day, compared with the 600,000-barrel-a-day traffic southbound through the canal. But Ashkelon has frequently been the target of rockets launched by Palestinian militants in the Gaza strip, which has dented the port's appeal as a transshipment point.

If however, as a result of Israel's offensive on Gaza, a chastened Hamas, the Islamist party that administers the territory, is able to stop the rocket attacks, then potential clients who have previously snubbed the Trans-Israel Pipeline route may now decide to use it......

Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia

DEBKAfile discloses Israel?s interest in the conflict from its exclusive military sources:

Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel?s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.

Aware of Moscow?s sensitivity on the oil question, Israel offered Russia a stake in the project but was rejected......

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
I think the anwers is once again oil.

The US invade Afghanistan to secured the Trans Afghanistan oil pipeline, and invaded Iraq to secured the oil supply. US/Israel supported Georgia to secured pipeline that divert former Soviet/Asia oil to the West, and now US/Israel/Saudi kicked the Palestinians that are pro Iran/Russia to secure the Israeli pipeline.

It is sad that people are suffering so that some big corporation can make a buck.

Gaza Aftermath May Impact Israel Oil Pipe Development

A little-known 254-kilometer Israeli pipeline, from the Mediterranean port of Ashkelon to the Red Sea port of Eilat, could rival the Suez Canal as an oil shipment route between former Soviet Union producers and Asian consumers.

The pipeline has a capacity of 400,000 barrels a day, compared with the 600,000-barrel-a-day traffic southbound through the canal. But Ashkelon has frequently been the target of rockets launched by Palestinian militants in the Gaza strip, which has dented the port's appeal as a transshipment point.

If however, as a result of Israel's offensive on Gaza, a chastened Hamas, the Islamist party that administers the territory, is able to stop the rocket attacks, then potential clients who have previously snubbed the Trans-Israel Pipeline route may now decide to use it......

Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia

DEBKAfile discloses Israel?s interest in the conflict from its exclusive military sources:

Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel?s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.

Aware of Moscow?s sensitivity on the oil question, Israel offered Russia a stake in the project but was rejected......

That theory falls apart right at the beginning. There is no Trans Afghanistan oil pipeline, and the Trans Afghanistan pipeline that was being planned back in the 90s was never intended to carry oil in the first place, it was for natural gas. The US has no control over Iraq's oil. In fact, it was the very first ministry that the US gave control of back to Iraqi and Iraq administers all contracts.

The TIPLINE (Trans Israel Pipeline) stays pretty much in max capacity operation. It's not exactly unknown and it's not going to have any changing impact on the geopolitical landscape since it has been around since 1968 and has long been utilized to the best of its ability.

So despite some people's imagined machinations concerning oil, none of those conspiracies ever really have any teeth to them. You'd think the conspiracies about oil would have lost their luster since it's been demonstrated over the last couple of years that the real problem with oil is the manipulation of the world market and not its physical transport.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I see nothing wrong with this so long as the contributions are made above board and publicly reviewable. If any of those donations go towards rearming Hamas then I would definitely have a problem with it.

Same standards for the US, right - all money transferred 'above board' and visible, and none for insurgencies, resistance movements, terrorists, election interference.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I see nothing wrong with this so long as the contributions are made above board and publicly reviewable. If any of those donations go towards rearming Hamas then I would definitely have a problem with it.

Same standards for the US, right - all money transferred 'above board' and visible, and none for insurgencies, resistance movements, terrorists, election interference.

I doubt the US plans to give money to Hamas so that shouldn't be an issue in the first place.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I see nothing wrong with this so long as the contributions are made above board and publicly reviewable. If any of those donations go towards rearming Hamas then I would definitely have a problem with it.

Same standards for the US, right - all money transferred 'above board' and visible, and none for insurgencies, resistance movements, terrorists, election interference.

I doubt the US plans to give money to Hamas so that shouldn't be an issue in the first place.

The US has given money to countless other groups who are insurgents, death squads, terrorists, to interfere in elections, to assassinate leaders, etc. So it is an issue.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I see nothing wrong with this so long as the contributions are made above board and publicly reviewable. If any of those donations go towards rearming Hamas then I would definitely have a problem with it.

Same standards for the US, right - all money transferred 'above board' and visible, and none for insurgencies, resistance movements, terrorists, election interference.

I doubt the US plans to give money to Hamas so that shouldn't be an issue in the first place.

The US has given money to countless other groups who are insurgents, death squads, terrorists, to interfere in elections, to assassinate leaders, etc. So it is an issue.

It's only an issue to those who feel they have to deflect the discussion in this thread, which is about the contributions of countries in the ME for Gaza reconstruction. If you want to go on one of your anti-US rants, start your own thread

 

[alchemize]

Last summer's gas prices at work...

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
What in it for the Saudi to spend $1 billion in this credit crunch era?
Couldn't the king find something more productive to spend his money?
Why the sudden interest in Palestinian well being?
Is there a hidden agenda?
Is there any weight behind this pledge or it is just slip service like tsunami aid charade?

All I have are questions and no answer for these craziness?

Saudis have lots of money, and they constantly send aid to Palestinians. They are sending a lot of money now because Israel just destroyed a lot Gaza's of infrastructure. Saudis also arranged the Arab Peace Plan on the basis of international law years ago, shortly after Israel offered Palestinians a "peace plan" which would have had Palestinians forfeit much of their rights and leave Palestine in a permanent state of subjugation to Israel. That is all Saudis can realistically do for Palestinians.

All that information is easily available if you care to look for it, what drives you to assume some hidden agenda instead?

You've only explained what has happened and nothing about why, which was what the OP wanted. There is always a "hidden agenda"--that is, what is in the national interest? It is an interesting question.

Saudis constantly send aid to Palestinians because Saudis care about the fate of their fellow Arabs in Palestine, and there is nothing hidden about that agenda. Again, Saudis do all they realistically can do for Palestinians, which is obvious to anyone who cares to look at what has happpened.

What is makes it so difficult to accept this reality?