"all men are created equal"

Anarchist420

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what do you think the declaration meant when it said "all men are created equal"?

i really think that jefferson did mean all white men were created 90-99% equal even though it's not so much white as it is your mtdna... if your mtdna hg is UK (and perhaps hgs D, A, and maybe another east asian one that isn't found in subsaharans or australian aboriginals) then you are not descended from cromagnon/apes/a woman out of africa. unfortunately, thomas jefferson didn't realize that when he wrote the Declaration of Independence.

but anyway, you know that he believed all white men were created with enough reasoning ability to be self-sufficient. he loved reasoning, didnt have much tolerance for those who couldnt reason and he didn't like blacks or women because he thought they couldn't reason and he also didnt like the way i look or the odors i exude.

you also know that he believed all white men were created very close to equal because he did not try to force uniformity like national socialist hamilton and washington did with the constitution and the "stamping out of individuality" in the continental army respectively... jefferson believed that a nation-state was not necessary (until much later after the declaration) because he believed that all men who could reason would be able to get along and be self-sufficient without a master unlike what hamilton believed.

so the lesson to be learned is that the french revolution was not right, violent revolution is not good (the Declaration of Independence was secessionist, not violently revolutionary as nowhere in it does it say that people needed to be murdered), and that coups in attempt to force uniformity are not good.

so what i am trying to say?

i am trying to tell people to realize that the state is neither necessary and isn't good because it is an irrational agent that people have mixed feelings about. it is not more than half necessary because those who can reason will take care of themselves and some other people voluntarily, those who cant survive chaos will saved or damned depending upon their blood, and those violent rebels and tyrants can then choose whether they want to be the tree of liberty's natural manure and half the world couldn't even half way conceptualize what a State was and would never know the difference. sure some people would might go separate ways once the State hierarchy collapses, mother nature might call some to supernature, the eternal fatherland may call others, some may just go right back into the soil from whence they originally came, but natural law is not necessarily for the State. think about the people who have been oppressed abroad by u.s. govt intervention that is like a death ship from mars to them.

that said, no one should be forced, at gun point, to pay for someone else's protection because then it isnt protection for everyone and the sooner people voluntarily live by that, the better humanity will be.
 

piasabird

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Do you believe God Created Man? How is a son of a poor man equal to the son of a rich man. How come some people are born with a higher mental potential and becomes a genius, and another man is born and has dyslexia or an IQ of 80? How are we all equal?

Maybe you are on drugs or are unable to face reality.
 
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Do you believe God Created Man? How is a son of a poor man equal to the son of a rich man. How come some people are born with a higher mental potential and becomes a genius, and another man is born and has dyslexia or an IQ of 80? How are we all equal?

Maybe you are on drugs or are unable to face reality.
This concept will likely be difficult for you...perhaps there is meaning here that transcends a secular's ability to understand.
 

Jaskalas

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what do you think the declaration meant when it said "all men are created equal"?

That we are to be treated equally under the law. Equal opportunity pursuit to our rights. To deny the government giving some men more rights than others.

It is the attempted elimination of kings, lords, and slaves.
 

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what do you think the declaration meant when it said "all men are created equal"?

i really think that jefferson did mean all white men were created 90-99% equal even though it's not so much white as it is your mtdna... if your mtdna hg is UK (and perhaps hgs D, A, and maybe another east asian one that isn't found in subsaharans or australian aboriginals) then you are not descended from cromagnon/apes/a woman out of africa. unfortunately, thomas jefferson didn't realize that when he wrote the Declaration of Independence.

but anyway, you know that he believed all white men were created with enough reasoning ability to be self-sufficient. he loved reasoning, didnt have much tolerance for those who couldnt reason and he didn't like blacks or women because he thought they couldn't reason and he also didnt like the way i look or the odors i exude.

you also know that he believed all white men were created very close to equal because he did not try to force uniformity like national socialist hamilton and washington did with the constitution and the "stamping out of individuality" in the continental army respectively... jefferson believed that a nation-state was not necessary (until much later after the declaration) because he believed that all men who could reason would be able to get along and be self-sufficient without a master unlike what hamilton believed.

so the lesson to be learned is that the french revolution was not right, violent revolution is not good (the Declaration of Independence was secessionist, not violently revolutionary as nowhere in it does it say that people needed to be murdered), and that coups in attempt to force uniformity are not good.

so what i am trying to say?

i am trying to tell people to realize that the state is neither necessary and isn't good because it is an irrational agent that people have mixed feelings about. it is not more than half necessary because those who can reason will take care of themselves and some other people voluntarily, those who cant survive chaos will saved or damned depending upon their blood, and those violent rebels and tyrants can then choose whether they want to be the tree of liberty's natural manure and half the world couldn't even half way conceptualize what a State was and would never know the difference. sure some people would might go separate ways once the State hierarchy collapses, mother nature might call some to supernature, the eternal fatherland may call others, some may just go right back into the soil from whence they originally came, but natural law is not necessarily for the State. think about the people who have been oppressed abroad by u.s. govt intervention that is like a death ship from mars to them.

that said, no one should be forced, at gun point, to pay for someone else's protection because then it isnt protection for everyone and the sooner people voluntarily live by that, the better humanity will be.

Would you rather have a state or a kingship ruling over you? Based upon your posts, I'm guessing the state will be the answer.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Would you rather have a state or a kingship ruling over you? Based upon your posts, I'm guessing the state will be the answer.

Why have to choose? Why not create a system which has the illusion of choice but the reality of close control by a limited number of people run by two organizations that the pharaohs of old would envy in terms of dominance? You can make war be peace, ignorance strength and freedom slavery.

We have such a "perfect" system right now.
 

Retro Rob

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That we are to be treated equally under the law. Equal opportunity pursuit to our rights. To deny the government giving some men more rights than others.

It is the attempted elimination of kings, lords, and slaves.

Agree with this.

However, his dream has yet to come true, as we still have issues with "equality" in this country.

Races are still not equal, IMHO.
 

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Why have to choose? Why not create a system which has the illusion of choice but the reality of close control by a limited number of people run by two organizations that the pharaohs of old would envy in terms of dominance? You can make war be peace, ignorance strength and freedom slavery.

We have such a "perfect" system right now.

Well, not quite 'perfect'. The wage slaves still believe in some of their rights, and these 'extremists' and 'terrorists' must be eradicated.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Well, not quite 'perfect'. The wage slaves still believe in some of their rights, and these 'extremists' and 'terrorists' must be eradicated.

We're making continual progress towards uniformity of thought. One day all will be happy in their conformity.
 

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Do you believe God Created Man? How is a son of a poor man equal to the son of a rich man. How come some people are born with a higher mental potential and becomes a genius, and another man is born and has dyslexia or an IQ of 80? How are we all equal?[...]
i am sure Jefferson didn't meet many men he considered to be white with iqs less than 100.

he meant white men were created with natural rights and that it is self evident that is the case so the Declaration of independence has to be assuming that all men then classified as white can reason (if you cant reason then it is not self evident that you have natural rights, right?)

of course, most modern europeans are nothing like Old Europeans but im not sure that he realized that he and say, washington/me* were originally from a different species.

*i realize i am not exactly washington, but i have a lot in common with him unfortunately.

and to answer your question... i dont believe god created everyone as they are right now. whether the non-neanderthal nation is a collection of the elements/the earth (like water, grass for hair, mud and mercury for blood) and he created the neanderthal in his image 100k years ago or so, i don't know. but the vast majority of people are genetically inferior and i am one of the majority. but i am not a young earth creationist and i dont believe that Genesis is necessarily accurate. i dont believe it is necessarily accurate partly because at least some of it has been lost through tongue evolution.

That we are to be treated equally under the law. Equal opportunity pursuit to our rights. To deny the government giving some men more rights than others. It is the attempted elimination of kings, lords, and slaves.
i think that he believed in liberty equality and fraternity because of his support for the French Revolution and his praise of Adam Weishaupt about the latter promoting brotherhood among men

he says that natural rights are self-evident so the Declaration of independence has to be assuming that all men then classified as white can reason... so i dont think it is just about that everyone should be equal before the law.
 

Moonbeam

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what do you think the declaration meant when it said "all men are created equal"?

i really think that jefferson did mean all white men were created 90-99% equal even though it's not so much white as it is your mtdna... if your mtdna hg is UK (and perhaps hgs D, A, and maybe another east asian one that isn't found in subsaharans or australian aboriginals) then you are not descended from cromagnon/apes/a woman out of africa. unfortunately, thomas jefferson didn't realize that when he wrote the Declaration of Independence.

but anyway, you know that he believed all white men were created with enough reasoning ability to be self-sufficient. he loved reasoning, didnt have much tolerance for those who couldnt reason and he didn't like blacks or women because he thought they couldn't reason and he also didnt like the way i look or the odors i exude.

you also know that he believed all white men were created very close to equal because he did not try to force uniformity like national socialist hamilton and washington did with the constitution and the "stamping out of individuality" in the continental army respectively... jefferson believed that a nation-state was not necessary (until much later after the declaration) because he believed that all men who could reason would be able to get along and be self-sufficient without a master unlike what hamilton believed.

so the lesson to be learned is that the french revolution was not right, violent revolution is not good (the Declaration of Independence was secessionist, not violently revolutionary as nowhere in it does it say that people needed to be murdered), and that coups in attempt to force uniformity are not good.

so what i am trying to say?

i am trying to tell people to realize that the state is neither necessary and isn't good because it is an irrational agent that people have mixed feelings about. it is not more than half necessary because those who can reason will take care of themselves and some other people voluntarily, those who cant survive chaos will saved or damned depending upon their blood, and those violent rebels and tyrants can then choose whether they want to be the tree of liberty's natural manure and half the world couldn't even half way conceptualize what a State was and would never know the difference. sure some people would might go separate ways once the State hierarchy collapses, mother nature might call some to supernature, the eternal fatherland may call others, some may just go right back into the soil from whence they originally came, but natural law is not necessarily for the State. think about the people who have been oppressed abroad by u.s. govt intervention that is like a death ship from mars to them.

that said, no one should be forced, at gun point, to pay for someone else's protection because then it isnt protection for everyone and the sooner people voluntarily live by that, the better humanity will be.

What do you feel? This is only the adumbration of the unconscious manifest as ripples of thought caused by scratching at an itch, another way to ask the question, what is the Matrix. The answer to an itch isn't an eternity of scratching. You can't steer a leaf down a river to the sea. Become the river.
 

OverVolt

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OP, you need a job and a fatherly figure in your life.

Probably like 75 years worth of wisdom in that sentence.