All I ask is that you remember

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: raildogg
Please don't forget the failures of the Clinton administration which directly led to 9/11.

I agree with most of your points, but this one could not be further from the truth. In fact, it sounds like a Fatass Limbaugh sound byte. Do have any clue what Clinton really did with terrorism and what he was not able to do because of aliances and lack of proof? (PBS Frontline has a great episode on this, look it up). He was ALL over OBL, and his head of counter terrorism (Richard Clark, remember him?) HOUNDED Bush about looking into OBL. Which he conveniently ignored and focused on Iraq instead.

raildogg has some issues with certain truths.

Ah, good to know since im a ATP&N n00b. I will keep this in mind.

What truth are you talking about? And thanks for the prejudice, I'm sure you will fit right in here with Conjur and the like.

No, Bill Clinton did not do much about terrorism. Sudan directly offered Bin Laden to the USA, but we turned it down for some reason. Lobbing a few cruise missiles does NOT mean you're all over OBL. Clinton was a miserable president in dealing with ISLAMIC TERRORISM which directly led to 9/11. 9/11 was being planned when Clinton was in office. We had a chance to get OBL, we did not. The CIA even had a potential mission of taking out OBL by working with the Afghan allies, but it was turned down.

Our international campaign against international Islamic terror should have begun in 1993 or even before that. But it took Bush, 8 years later, to wage a war against Islamic terrorism. All the democratic faithful here can deny and duck their heads all they want, but the fact still remains Bill Clinton was a miserable president in his foreign policy towards addressing terrorism.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: randym431
Caused a family with high medical bills to lose their home to the creditors.

ch. 13 really isn't all that different from ch. 7.

Hunh?

that is what the bankruptcy bill that i assume the OP was talking about does. instead of going straight to ch.7 you now have to go to ch. 13 first.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: raildogg
What truth are you talking about? And thanks for the prejudice, I'm sure you will fit right in here with Conjur and the like.

No, Bill Clinton did not do much about terrorism. Sudan directly offered Bin Laden to the USA, but we turned it down for some reason. Lobbing a few cruise missiles does NOT mean you're all over OBL. Clinton was a miserable president in dealing with ISLAMIC TERRORISM which directly led to 9/11. 9/11 was being planned when Clinton was in office. We had a chance to get OBL, we did not. The CIA even had a potential mission of taking out OBL by working with the Afghan allies, but it was turned down.

Our international campaign against international Islamic terror should have begun in 1993 or even before that. But it took Bush, 8 years later, to wage a war against Islamic terrorism. All the democratic faithful here can deny and duck their heads all they want, but the fact still remains Bill Clinton was a miserable president in his foreign policy towards addressing terrorism.

In Clinton's defense, bin Laden would have been dead after the African embassy bombings if not for some bad cruise missile bearing grease.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: raildogg
You expect us to take you seriously when you promote the Al Franken show? He's the Rush Limbaugh of the other side.

Excuse me? Rush Limbaugh show has plenty of inaccurracies during the show and Al Franken hasn't had any. I'd like to see some evidence back up your claim.

 

[randym431]

Originally posted by: raildogg

You expect us to take you seriously when you promote the Al Franken show? He's the Rush Limbaugh of the other side.

The diff (to me at least) is Franken has humor. Even if you don?t like his politics, he does add a lot of comedy.
His show can get a bit much. He often rehashes a subject to death.
Franken also allows and welcomes folks from the right to come on, and tell their side.
His college friend he calls "A Rush ditto head" is on a lot. They play clips from Rush's show, and Frankens ditto head friend explains or elaborates on what Rush was saying.
You don?t see Rush playing Franken clips on his show.

Plus, Franken "HATES" O'Reilly. And plays O'Reilly clips, pointing out their stupidly.
An example Franken often plays is when Senator Boxer was asking questions of Rice.
Boxer ask a question of the war, and "TRUTH". But O'Reilly thought Boxer said "TROOPS", and tore into Boxer. If you listen, anyone can easily hear Boxer DID say "Truth", not "troops". But O'Reilly went on for days misquoting Boxer.
Even when O'Reilly's callers and guests pointed out to him she actually did say "TRUTH", not "troops". O'Reilly calls them a liar.
O"Reilly is either really dumb, or really deaf.
Or how about O'Reilly's claim that "he" was in war and battle. So when a caller called him on that, asking "were you in the service", O'Reilly says "no, not as a service man". So the caller asks "why mislead people by saying you were in battle? What about your fair and balanced theme?"
Then O'Reilly just lost it, yelled at the caller and hung up.

This is the kind of stuff Franken exposes and covers on his show.

You really should download a show and listen, just once. After all, "knowledge is power", regardless of your politics.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: (edit) i-am-trying-to-get-some-attention

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: (edit) i-am-trying-to-get-some-attention

Originally posted by: raildogg
Please don't forget the failures of the Clinton administration which directly led to 9/11.

I agree with most of your points, but this one could not be further from the truth. In fact, it sounds like a Fatass Limbaugh sound byte. Do have any clue what Clinton really did with terrorism and what he was not able to do because of aliances and lack of proof? (PBS Frontline has a great episode on this, look it up). He was ALL over OBL, and his head of counter terrorism (Richard Clark, remember him?) HOUNDED Bush about looking into OBL. Which he conveniently ignored and focused on Iraq instead.

Many different Thoughts on that very subject, exist.

[edit] You right wing, ignorant, asses really astound me. Does the word science mean ANYTHING to you?

I guess it comes down to which person you want to make excuses for.

That site you posted is PROFOUNDLY biased. I offered an unbiased perspective, can you do the same?

Dick Morris was at one time Clintons top political advisor. If I post his piece from another site that is less biased, will you continue to hump the unbiased perspective leg?

"All our terrorist problems were born during the Clinton years.

It was during his eight years in office that al Qaeda began its campaign of bombing and destruction aimed at the United States. It was then that the terrorist group orchestrated its first attack on the World Trade Center; hatched a plan to destroy New York's bridges and tunnels and the U.N. building; conceived an effort to destroy eleven U.S. passenger jetliners; twice bombed U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia, killing nine-teen Americans; bombed American embassies in Africa; and attacked the U.S.S. Cole. Bill Clinton and his advisers were alerted to the group's power and intentions by these attacks. But they did nothing to stop al Qaeda from building up its resources for the big blow on 9/11."

I don't agree that "All our terrorist problems were born during the Clinton years." Perhaps 'almost all' would have been a better choice of words.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Yellow Dog

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

better check your history book that was reagan

Ike sent 'advisors' to Nam. Our government leaders and the complete denial that "we cannot make a mistake" continued this country on the wrong path. And 58,000+ young Americans were sacrificed so that a leader wouldn't have to say "oops, I made a mistake".

And 4.3 million Cambodians were sacrificed by Jane Fonda, John Kerry and a bunch of liberal potheads that pulled us out just before the job was finished!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Yellow Dog

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

better check your history book that was reagan

Ike sent 'advisors' to Nam. Our government leaders and the complete denial that "we cannot make a mistake" continued this country on the wrong path. And 58,000+ young Americans were sacrificed so that a leader wouldn't have to say "oops, I made a mistake".

And 4.3 million Cambodians were sacrificed by Jane Fonda, John Kerry and a bunch of liberal potheads that pulled us out just before the job was finished!

Yeah right:roll: Hell it took the Vietnamese just a few months to go in there and put an end to Pol Pot and the Killing Fields.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: yllus
I will always be glad that Saddam was deposed by the U.S. Iraqis, I am sure, feel and will feel the same way far into the future.

Wait a minute...

Who was giving / selling wepons in the 80's to saddam ?

I will give you a hint it was someone in this administration.

You cannot have it both ways.