All great empires fall...

[Lobstar]

like you said, US is not an empire. The US will fall if the left wing takes over and becomes a socialist state like Europe. Then we will fall.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Random Variable
Radical madrassas in the Muslim world teach their children that the greatest thing in life is to slaughter infidels, while schools in the United States teach our children that we basically deserve to be slaughtered. It's just fvked up!

:shocked:

It's basically true.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Amused
91TTZ. the RR infested the GOP in response to the Carter Administration and it's hostility to their "values." The infestation started way back in Reagan's first term. But even with the infestation, the GOP largely just pays them lip service. The RR gets a LOT less done than the Nanny-state left.

I'm sure the RR's infestation of the republican party had its roots long before my time, but it seems to have really come to a head lately. I can remember when church groups didn't dictate national policy.

The Christian problem that we have seems to have gotten really bad lately, and it's spreading. I've even lost some of my weaker minded relatives to this plague. As far as I'm concerned, they're zombies now.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What's with all the doom and gloom around here lately? :brokenheart:

It's funny how most Americans have been talking about the country going downhill for the last, oh say 5 years, but they can't see why.

I don't know if anyone can remember, but during the last presidents term, the US was talking about how prosperous it was.

See any connection there?

PS- I was a republican until the religious right infested the party. I cannot stand Bush. He's only a quarter of the man that Reagan was.

Well, he'll be gone in a few more years. Hopefully, the house and/or the senate will swing back the other way before then so he can't fvck things up too badly between now and the time he's out of office.

I am a registered republican and the religious right scare me as much as the left wing liberals. I'm more of a moderate really. Too bad there isn't a moderate party...or any viable 3rd party actually.

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Generator
When Americans are hit with confronting situations, really awakening, scary type situtations. There is no country that unites like the United States of America. Just look at 9/11. Americans as if controlled by some collective mind, worked together. Even poor people decided to forgoe opportunity and not steal televisions and nikes. But instead be a part of the cause. The only Americans I would be worry about is the South. Their history of trying to quit America should never be forgotten.

I don't think America will fall. But economically we have already fallen. But the people still want to say "AMERICA IS NUMBER ONE!!!" So when China is towering over us so thouroghly that even the most patrotic will concede it will hit them hard. The people who get blindsinded so badly will even may want to fight. Like the punks they are. Hopefully at that moment we have strong leadership. A strong President who will tell the weaklings that its not China's or India's fault its our fault. The schools are a joke, the debt was the elephant in the room. The illogicial half assed imperialism. Obesity, crumbling medicare and social security. Its a rough road ahead.

Lets just pray the poor does not become the majority. And a pissed one off at that...

The United States does NOT have a collective mind anymore. There are a ton of people in the United States who only care for their own interests and couldn't care less if the United States is fvcked.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Chinas time will be coming soon.

Actually, China is in a worse spot than you'd be lead to believe. They are "prospering" right now because they are completely ignoring their poverty problem and instead diverting the money to build up their manufacturing base and technology centers. A time will come when the other 1.1 billion people in that country want their share too, and that will sap a huge percentage of the country's income. But right now, it's easy to ignore them when you're a communist country and you can crush the common man's voice with tanks.

 

[CrazyPerson]

i give it 100 years

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
the USA is a republic,not an Empire.

Replying to Topic: All great empires fall...
Created On 05/05/2005 06:01 PM by Son of a N00b

Rome started as a Republic.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Amused
91TTZ. the RR infested the GOP in response to the Carter Administration and it's hostility to their "values." The infestation started way back in Reagan's first term. But even with the infestation, the GOP largely just pays them lip service. The RR gets a LOT less done than the Nanny-state left.

I'm sure the RR's infestation of the republican party had its roots long before my time, but it seems to have really come to a head lately. I can remember when church groups didn't dictate national policy.

The Christian problem that we have seems to have gotten really bad lately, and it's spreading. I've even lost some of my weaker minded relatives to this plague. As far as I'm concerned, they're zombies now.

Actually, non-religious are growing in numbers.

And I guess you're too young to remember the "Moral Majority." But the RR has been a loud voice in politics since the late 70s. And it's no where near it's head, nor do they have the most power they've ever had. That point was during the first Bush admin when Jerry Falwell spoke to the Republican convention. They lost a LOT of ground in the 90s and are still just a loud bunch of loonys that get very little, if anything done.

For every issue you think the RR has won and cost you a freedom, I can name many the nanny-state leftists and safety police have robbed from us.

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

China is set to overtake the US in a few decades if things keep moving at their current pace. Granted, there's still lots of uncertainty there and things that could slow/stop China.

Actually, China is in a worse spot than you'd be lead to believe. They are "prospering" right now because they are completely ignoring their poverty problem and instead diverting the money to build up their manufacturing base and technology centers. A time will come when the other 1.1 billion people in that country want their share too, and that will sap a huge percentage of the country's income. But right now, it's easy to ignore them when you're a communist country and you can crush the common man's voice with tanks.

They also allowed their environment to be pretty much ruined in the race for economic growth. But you're right, the income gap is ENORMOUS over there. About as far from a classless Communist ideal as you can get.

I took a Foreign Policy of China course this semester, pretty cool class.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ed21x


The United States does NOT have a collective mind anymore. There are a ton of people in the United States who only care for their own interests and couldn't care less if the United States is fvcked.

The US has never had a "collective mind" (Thank GAWD!) and has always been largely defined by individualism.

 

[StageLeft]

Within this century or the next, at the latest.

 

[Martin]

The US been on a steady decline since the 50s and that looks to continue for the forseeable future. Collapse? who knows...

 

[Shlong]

Within 50 years.

 

[Random Variable]

If you are an American and truly believe what you are saying, and are planning to have children sometime in your lifetime, you should be shot repeatedly in the face.

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: Baked
We're well over 400 years, so any day now. Besides, don't all the great empires fall during the reign of puppet kings and rulers?

How do you figure this?

Seeing how we were not a world power really until the late 1800's and early 1900's.

Heck, we didn't even become independent until 1776 so take some math lessons.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: Baked
We're well over 400 years, so any day now. Besides, don't all the great empires fall during the reign of puppet kings and rulers?

How do you figure this?

Seeing how we were not a world power really until the late 1800's and early 1900's.

Heck, we didn't even become independent until 1776 so take some math lessons.

Don't worry, he's either stoned 24/7 or a complete moron. Maybe both.

 

[0roo0roo]

u know it. oil will run out then we will become the saudi arabia of coal. we will warm the world until most people are dead and underwater and all will be at peace

 

[dragonballgtz]

Whenever the next World War happens me guesses.

 

[SportSC4]

Here's what I think. If I'm wrong, then someone with a history background please correct me.

I define an empire when they are in control (easibly able to exert influence in many things). The USA did not have much control in the late 1700s. I think that it really began with the fall of Europe during WWI. Let's say 1930's. Modern empires also don't seem to last as long as older ones. The Romans and Greeks lasted for a good while. The Spanish were in control until the British took over. I think they had about 100 year reigns.

I'm sure if someone plotted an S curve of USA influence (political, technology, etc) we could get a reasonable estimate to where things are headed at current levels.

 

[TWills]

Believe me, post-America is been and gone a hundred and fifty years already. We are nothing similar to the America that was conceived in 1776. For instance, if you were to be an eligible voter back then, you were required to own property. This is no longer the case. Another major difference is how senators are elected today; they are elected by the people. They used to be elected by the state governments, to represent the states. Now, states are no longer represented in Congress, only people. Remember The Great Compromise? Equal representation in the senate, proportional representation in the house? That was between big states and small states, not people.
If only I could get everyone to read The Federalist Papers and the Constitution cover to cover, beginning to end, a lot of opinions would change.

*sigh*

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Random Variable
If you are an American and truly believe what you are saying, and are planning to have children sometime in your lifetime, you should be shot repeatedly in the face.

Because obviously moving to a different country is out of the question :disgust:

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: TWills
Believe me, post-America is been and gone a hundred and fifty years already. We are nothing similar to the America that was conceived in 1776. For instance, if you were to be an eligible voter back then, you were required to own property. This is no longer the case. Another major difference is how senators are elected today; they are elected by the people. They used to be elected by the state governments, to represent the states. Now, states are no longer represented in Congress, only people. Remember The Great Compromise? Equal representation in the senate, proportional representation in the house? That was between big states and small states, not people.
If only I could get everyone to read The Federalist Papers and the Constitution cover to cover, beginning to end, a lot of opinions would change.

*sigh*

I don't see anything about those changes that's bad.

it used to be that governments were affraid of 'mobocracy' and would put lots of these types of controls on people, making the countries less democratic. For example, the Canadian senate or the British house of lords used to have actual powers...now they're just country clubs for sycophants...

 

[SVT Cobra]

A world colition is something that will probably never happen even for the next 300 yrs, look how long it takes froe veryone just to use the same money, although if canada and the US combined i dont see how it would hurt to much.

As i said, the US is not an Empire, but can be argued as a socially evolved form of one.

Maybe well be living in space at that point so we wont have to worry, or the US will retaliate to someone with a nuke, and everyone who did not agree will disband to mars , but hey it could happen, a lot more or a lot less


EDIT: had one of my final college paper's due today and this board kept me from geting it done, to much, to overwhelming lol

 

[Eli]

I predict, assuming we don't nuke ourselves, that our reign will be at least 1,000 years.

If only I could know what is going to happen after about 60.

Bah, so insignificant.. They really need to hurry up with the immortality pill.