All For? All Opposed?

[conjur]

Well, we have Spain, then Poland, now the European Commission president:

UPDATE: (Also added in is Bulgaria having trouble getting volunteers to maintain troop levels and South Korea refuses to follow the U.S. in its request to place South Korea troops in combat zones. South Korea wants them in safer areas to only help with the rebuilding effort.)

And, let's also remember how some countries only joined the fray once billions in aid were promised *cough*Turkey*cough*

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1498521,00.html

Rome - After the bomb attacks in Madrid, European Commission president Romano Prodi says the US approach to the war on terrorism has been a failure.

Prodi, in an interview with Monday's La Stampa newspaper of Turin, argued that success in combating terror requires diplomacy and politics - not just military action.

"These terrible days have shown us that the American recipe wasn't right. On Saturday, it will be a year since the start of the war in Iraq and the terrorist threat is today infinitely more powerful than before," Prodi told the newspaper. "But Europe applies different instruments, suited to help our citizens leave fear behind: using politics and not just force, which has created further fear."

Attitudes

Prodi also told La Stampa that he believed that attitudes in the United States were changing, becoming less set on acting without wide support from other nations. "Europe is not moving closer to the United States, rather it's America that is coming closer to us," he said.

Prodi also said that the EU is discussing adding a new position: European anti-terrorism commissioner. He argued that the EU needed to show a united front against terrorism, and that incidents like the Madrid attacks "will accelerate the progress toward an integration of foreign policy".

Thursday's bomb attacks in Spain killed 200 people and wounded more than 1 600 others.

 

[conjur]

And now we have....the "A-word"

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/19/spain/index_np.html

The A-word
Is everyone who fails to follow Bush guilty of "appeasement"?

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By James Pinkerton



March 19, 2004 | The day after the Madrid terror bombing, the neoconservative press -- should we call it the "neocontern"? -- rushed to offer its cloying embrace to Spain. "We Are All Spaniards Now," proclaimed the New York Sun. Of course, the real object of the neocon word blitz wasn't to soothe the Spanish, but rather to propagandize Americans; the neocons don't really care about Spain. Instead, the real target of their faux internationalist solidarity was the home audience, who might be starting to suspect that "Operation Iraqi Freedom" is boomeranging.

On Sunday night, even as the election returns were coming in, Andrew Sullivan blogged an item titled "Bin Laden's Victory in Spain." He argued that al-Qaida had "removed a government intent on fighting terrorism and installed another intent on appeasing it." By Monday afternoon, it seemed "clear" to Sullivan that "the trend in Europe is now either appeasement of terror or active alliance with it. It is hard to view the results in Spain," he continued, "as anything but a choice between Bush and al-Qaida. Al-Qaida won." Meanwhile, in National Review Online, David Frum disdained "the new Spanish government's swift and abject surrender to the attackers."

Evidently we're not all Spaniards anymore.

 

[Pepsei]

We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Evidently we're not all Spaniards anymore.

And it's sad, to.

Do we?

no, as long as we have the French w/ us.. what we don't.. CRAP!

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

nope

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

If we want to be taken seriously by the rest of the world in matters of things such as intelligence, trade, human rights, etc.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Pepsei
We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

nope

Which is exactly the kinda attitude wants US to adopt. US isolated, with no allies makes a vulnerable target.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Pepsei
We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

nope

Which is exactly the kinda attitude wants US to adopt. US isolated, with no allies makes a vulnerable target.

Maybe we could do something like the oslo accord with the terrorists?

 

[conjur]

"Earlier this year, Sofia asked peacekeepers from other nations to take over temporarily some of its duties in Iraq after a car bomb killed five of its soldiers in Kerbala, eroding morale among the battalion.

Bulgaria later rotated its troops but had problems persuading volunteers to sign up.

A Defence Ministry spokeswoman said Bulgaria had almost exhausted its army staff and financial resourses as it had already sent more than 800 soldiers on various missions abroad.

"We cannot do anything else. But we...have no intention of withdrawing from our responsibilities in Iraq," she said. "


Well, it's kind of hard to keep up with one's responsibilities if no one volunteers to help.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Pepsei
We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

nope

Which is exactly the kinda attitude wants US to adopt. US isolated, with no allies makes a vulnerable target.

Maybe we could do something like the oslo accord with the terrorists?

When will you get it through your thick skull that Iraq is not about fighting terrorism?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Pepsei
We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

nope

Which is exactly the kinda attitude wants US to adopt. US isolated, with no allies makes a vulnerable target.

Maybe we could do something like the oslo accord with the terrorists?

When will you get it through your thick skull that Iraq is not about fighting terrorism?

it's about trying to spread democracy and freedom to that part of the world from which terrorists come; in hopes of reducing the flow of new terrorists.

It's a long-term sort of thing that has it's painful side now.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Pepsei
We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

nope

Which is exactly the kinda attitude wants US to adopt. US isolated, with no allies makes a vulnerable target.

Maybe we could do something like the oslo accord with the terrorists?

When will you get it through your thick skull that Iraq is not about fighting terrorism?

Then why would a bombing in spain by terorrists make a bit of difference what happens in Iraq?

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur

When will you get it through your thick skull that Iraq is not about fighting terrorism?

and because conjur says it isn't then that means it must not be, because as we all know, conjur is the final say and the only say...

whatever nutjob believe whatever the liberal media spoon feeds you.

honestly who gives a rats ass what Spain, poland and the ECP think...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Pepsei
We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

nope

Which is exactly the kinda attitude wants US to adopt. US isolated, with no allies makes a vulnerable target.

Maybe we could do something like the oslo accord with the terrorists?

When will you get it through your thick skull that Iraq is not about fighting terrorism?

Then why would a bombing in spain by terorrists make a bit of difference what happens in Iraq?

You're beginning to see the light!!

It doesn't!

But, Bush wants the world to think the two are linked.


The Spanish population ousted the Popular Party when the Popular Party lied about the train bombing, blaming it on ETA when it was Al Qaeda. It was that fraud by the gov't that triggered a storm of support for Zapateros. 90% of the Spanish population was opposed to the war on Iraq and Zapateros was also opposed and use that stance as part of his platform.

You think Zapateros is going to be soft on terrorism? You think he's going to allow attacks on his countrymen? Anyone who does is a fool.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur

When will you get it through your thick skull that Iraq is not about fighting terrorism?

and because conjur says it isn't then that means it must not be, because as we all know, conjur is the final say and the only say...

whatever nutjob believe whatever the liberal media spoon feeds you.

honestly who gives a rats ass what Spain, poland and the ECP think...

It's not me saying, it was Bush, remember?

Bush told us the war on Iraq was because Saddam had WMDs and was seeking more WMDs and we were in immediate danger of him using them.

And, why should we care? Because we have trade with these countries. We invest in these countries and they invest in us. But that's just a couple of reasons.

Think of someone else's viewpoint besides your own, for once.

 

[nutxo]

ya know, the insults get kind of old, its not like I go to yagt and insult people.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Pepsei
We don't need them anyway.


Do we?

nope

Which is exactly the kinda attitude wants US to adopt. US isolated, with no allies makes a vulnerable target.

Maybe we could do something like the oslo accord with the terrorists?

When will you get it through your thick skull that Iraq is not about fighting terrorism?

Then why would a bombing in spain by terorrists make a bit of difference what happens in Iraq?

You're beginning to see the light!!

It doesn't!

But, Bush wants the world to think the two are linked.


The Spanish population ousted the Popular Party when the Popular Party lied about the train bombing, blaming it on ETA when it was Al Qaeda. It was that fraud by the gov't that triggered a storm of support for Zapateros. 90% of the Spanish population was opposed to the war on Iraq and Zapateros was also opposed and use that stance as part of his platform.

You think Zapateros is going to be soft on terrorism? You think he's going to allow attacks on his countrymen? Anyone who does is a fool.

Meh, I dont think it was Al Queda myself.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjurThe Spanish population ousted the Popular Party when the Popular Party lied about the train bombing, blaming it on ETA when it was Al Qaeda. It was that fraud by the gov't that triggered a storm of support for Zapateros. 90% of the Spanish population was opposed to the war on Iraq and Zapateros was also opposed and use that stance as part of his platform.

You think Zapateros is going to be soft on terrorism? You think he's going to allow attacks on his countrymen? Anyone who does is a fool.

Where is your proof that they lied and didn't just make a mistake??? lets seem them links Conjur?

and with re your second point, bullsheat...while he might not allow attacks, he is going to do everything he can to distance himself from the US and the current admin, unlike the old party that was inline with the US...this simple move alone (being a pussy) should be enough to get terrorists to leave them alone as it shows they are already too pussified to stick with their current admin and instead bow to the whims of a few nutjobs.....

but I would never expect a democrap like you to get it.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: nutxo
ya know, the insults get kind of old, its not like I go to yagt and insult people.

why would you? the forum sucks...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo
ya know, the insults get kind of old, its not like I go to yagt and insult people.

What? You don't have a thick skull?

I see...it's ok for *you* to constantly insult people but when the tables are turned (if you call that an insult) you call foul.

Get a life.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: nutxo
ya know, the insults get kind of old, its not like I go to yagt and insult people.

why would you? the forum sucks...

Plenty of people would disagree with you.

At least we're tolerant over there.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Meh, I dont think it was Al Queda myself.

And you're more qualified then the people doing the investigations and making the arrests?

 

[FrodoB]

Originally posted by: conjur
Well, we have Spain, then Poland, now the European Commission president:

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1498521,00.html

Rome - After the bomb attacks in Madrid, European Commission president Romano Prodi says the US approach to the war on terrorism has been a failure.

Prodi, in an interview with Monday's La Stampa newspaper of Turin, argued that success in combating terror requires diplomacy and politics - not just military action.

"These terrible days have shown us that the American recipe wasn't right. On Saturday, it will be a year since the start of the war in Iraq and the terrorist threat is today infinitely more powerful than before," Prodi told the newspaper. "But Europe applies different instruments, suited to help our citizens leave fear behind: using politics and not just force, which has created further fear."

Attitudes

Prodi also told La Stampa that he believed that attitudes in the United States were changing, becoming less set on acting without wide support from other nations. "Europe is not moving closer to the United States, rather it's America that is coming closer to us," he said.

Prodi also said that the EU is discussing adding a new position: European anti-terrorism commissioner. He argued that the EU needed to show a united front against terrorism, and that incidents like the Madrid attacks "will accelerate the progress toward an integration of foreign policy".

Thursday's bomb attacks in Spain killed 200 people and wounded more than 1 600 others.

Reality check: We have not been attacked since 9/11. Much of the Al Queda leadership has been destroyed. Iraq is free of a brutal dictator and will eventually become a democracy.
The EU represent a civilzation in rapid decline. They can't even handle their own situation in Kosovo. Europe hasn't been able to solve its own problems for the past 100 years. Now they're trying to tell us we're wrong. HAHAHAHA. They're just jealous because their influence in the world is rapidly decliding.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjurThe Spanish population ousted the Popular Party when the Popular Party lied about the train bombing, blaming it on ETA when it was Al Qaeda. It was that fraud by the gov't that triggered a storm of support for Zapateros. 90% of the Spanish population was opposed to the war on Iraq and Zapateros was also opposed and use that stance as part of his platform.

You think Zapateros is going to be soft on terrorism? You think he's going to allow attacks on his countrymen? Anyone who does is a fool.

Where is your proof that they lied and didn't just make a mistake??? lets seem them links Conjur?

What? You missed the multiple threads on this already? Fine, I'll educate you:

http://www.reason.com/links/links031704.shtml

"The behavior of the Aznar government in the wake of the attacks seemed to confirm the worst of this view. Mere hours after the attack?an attack lacking many of the hallmarks of an operation by ETA, which nearly always phones in notice of its bombings?the government was acting as though the Basque terrorist group's culpability was an established fact, and took the unusual step of pushing through a UN Security Council resolution pinning the blame on ETA. In a memo obtained by El Pais, Foreign Minister Ana Palacio instructed ambassadors: "You should use any opportunity to confirm ETA's responsibility for these brutal attacks, thus helping to dissipate any type of doubt that certain interested parties may want to promote." Aznar even telephoned the editors of major publications repeatedly in an attempt to pressure them to avoid any suggestion that groups other than ETA might have been responsible.

All this despite the fact that, even on the day of the bombing, a van containing Arabic language materials and detonators was found by police. The most serious blow to the administration story came after the foreign press began reporting on Saturday that authorities had arrested several Morrocan nationals in connection with the attacks. An SMS text-message campaign quickly mobilized a protest outside PP headquarters, where young people demanded "Tell us who really did it!" On Monday, after the elections, the government finally dropped claims, ill supported from the outset, that ETA had been responsible. In short, it became abundantly clear to most Spanish voters that the Aznar administration was cynically attempting to spin a horrific tragedy for political advantage. A backlash should scarcely be surprising. "

and with re your second point, bullsheat...while he might not allow attacks, he is going to do everything he can to distance himself from the US and the current admin, unlike the old party that was inline with the US...this simple move alone (being a pussy) should be enough to get terrorists to leave them alone as it shows they are already too pussified to stick with their current admin and instead bow to the whims of a few nutjobs.....

Again, if a terror attack occurred on Spanish soil once Zapateros is in office, you think he's going to do nothing about it? You're delusional.

but I would never expect a democrap like you to get it.

What's a democrap? And what makes you think I'm one?

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Meh, I dont think it was Al Queda myself.

And you're more qualified then the people doing the investigations and making the arrests?

Nope, but I'm impartial.

Not to mention I love a good conspiracy theory

I think it was Kerry!