All F-117 Stealth Fighters to be retired in 2008

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: JRich
I'll be bummed when they retire the F-15s

Then I will have to retire also from a :brokenheart:

U going to request that the mods change your name to RaptorKeeper or LightningKeeper?

Nope - no name change.

The Raptor can not fly stable if there is a glitch in the flight computer.
The Lightning does not exist in a useful form - I may be completely old and grey by the come it enters service.

It was my plane, I flew with it and enhanced it's lethal capabilites. I will not turn my back on it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: soydios
shame, the old classics are being retired...
I miss the F-14 already

then you're going to miss their replacements (F18 super hornets) in a short while.

f35c (joint strike fighter carrier version) will replace them in 2012.

Originally posted by: JRich
I'll be bummed when they retire the F-15s

The Eagles (F15C/D) are being replaced with F22 raptors.

THe Strike Eagles (F15E) will stay in service till at least 2025, since there is nothing on the drawing board to replace it's role. (Much like Nasa's space shuttles )

:shocked: Those airframes will be some fifty years old by then!

E model frames will not be, just the C/D models.

However, sending the C/D back to the depot for refurb will extend their lifetime for the Reserve's requirements.

Stronger roots, upgraded engines and electronics will provide the ability to act as a CAP when needed, with no concerns

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

I still don't believe that they retired the SR-71 due to fuel costs. I mean, of course a plane whose engines take up most of the craft's volume is going to use a lot of fuel. Those things went faster than a bullet - just imagine them given weapons. Actually nevermind, they might have outrun their payload and gotten hit by it.

But let's think about something: The F-117 and SR-71 were designed 30 years ago. Makes you wonder what they're designing right now, considering how stealth technology is still super-classified.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
The thing is, it's not really even a fighter- it's a light bomber. WIth it's poor payload, other more advanced planes can do a better job. It's hard to believe the design of that plane is 30 years old! :Q

So what will be replacing it? Does the F-22 come in a light bomber configuration?

 

[George P Burdell]

Originally posted by: LoKe
Now we just need a giant treadmill.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: JRich
I'll be bummed when they retire the F-15s

Then I will have to retire also from a :brokenheart:

U going to request that the mods change your name to RaptorKeeper or LightningKeeper?

EagleWeeper.
:brokenheart:

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: soydios
shame, the old classics are being retired...
I miss the F-14 already

then you're going to miss their replacements (F18 hornets) in a short while.

f35c (joint strike fighter carrier version) will replace them in 2012.

They say all this and that and what not, but I seriously doubt all hornets will be replaced--there are the Super Hornets, and those are a total revamp of the F-18A/C models. Keep in mind, the F-35 is a light fighter and a heavy attacker--in other words, Some F-18C squadrons will have to be kept in, because the F-35 by itself as it is will be unable to hold the gun.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Fritzo
The thing is, it's not really even a fighter- it's a light bomber. WIth it's poor payload, other more advanced planes can do a better job. It's hard to believe the design of that plane is 30 years old! :Q

So what will be replacing it? Does the F-22 come in a light bomber configuration?

Most modern day "fighter" jets come in with pylons on the wings, or in the case of the Raptor (and possibly Lightening) a bomb bay (meant to preserve the stealth signature). These pylons (or bomb bays) enable pilots to mount on cluster bombs, sidewinders, sparrows, gun pods (although now adays, the gun mounted in the nose or side of the aircraft is enough).

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Fritzo
The thing is, it's not really even a fighter- it's a light bomber. WIth it's poor payload, other more advanced planes can do a better job. It's hard to believe the design of that plane is 30 years old! :Q

So what will be replacing it? Does the F-22 come in a light bomber configuration?

Most modern day "fighter" jets come in with pylons on the wings, or in the case of the Raptor (and possibly Lightening) a bomb bay (meant to preserve the stealth signature). These pylons (or bomb bays) enable pilots to mount on cluster bombs, sidewinders, sparrows, gun pods (although now adays, the gun mounted in the nose or side of the aircraft is enough).

The f-35 CTOL should have the capabilities to replace the f-15E. The future air force is going to be extremely lean, with the EA-6 being replaced by the F-18G, A-10 by the F-35 VSTOL, and F-18E/F by the F-35 STOL. Standardization of platforms will really cut down on maintenance costs, etc. Also, all new Naval platforms are focusing on automation, with new ships requiring less than half the manpower of their present-day counterparts for the same effectiveness.

 

[preslove]

won't that mean that the F-117 only had a life span of around 18 years? That's pretty damn short & a lousy return on investment

edit: NM I didn't know that it was operational in 1983. How did they keep it a secret until 1988?

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: preslove
won't that mean that the F-117 only had a life span of around 18 years? That's pretty damn short & a lousy return on investment

edit: NM I didn't know that it was operational in 1983. How did they keep it a secret until 1988?

Easy. TS/SCI on the pilots and ground crew, kept at a remote base and only flown at night, planes shipped in C-17s instead of flying from factory to dest. facility.

And the planes by themselves would be a lousy investment, if they didn't also help develop the stealth technologies and operating guidelines that we use on the B-2 and F-22.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
I still don't believe that they retired the SR-71 due to fuel costs. I mean, of course a plane whose engines take up most of the craft's volume is going to use a lot of fuel. Those things went faster than a bullet - just imagine them given weapons. Actually nevermind, they might have outrun their payload and gotten hit by it.

But let's think about something: The F-117 and SR-71 were designed 30 years ago. Makes you wonder what they're designing right now, considering how stealth technology is still super-classified.

I beleive they did arm an SR-71 with nuclear missles and named it an A-12. Cruise missles were invented however so the prototypes were scrapped.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: JRich
I'll be bummed when they retire the F-15s

Then I will have to retire also from a :brokenheart:

U going to request that the mods change your name to RaptorKeeper or LightningKeeper?

Nope - no name change.

The Raptor can not fly stable if there is a glitch in the flight computer.
The Lightning does not exist in a useful form - I may be completely old and grey by the come it enters service.

It was my plane, I flew with it and enhanced it's lethal capabilites. I will not turn my back on it.

I will agree, the Eagle was named rightfully. We may have 'better' aircraft, but they don't always do what their pilots want.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
I still don't believe that they retired the SR-71 due to fuel costs. I mean, of course a plane whose engines take up most of the craft's volume is going to use a lot of fuel. Those things went faster than a bullet - just imagine them given weapons. Actually nevermind, they might have outrun their payload and gotten hit by it.

But let's think about something: The F-117 and SR-71 were designed 30 years ago. Makes you wonder what they're designing right now, considering how stealth technology is still super-classified.

I beleive they did arm an SR-71 with nuclear missles and named it an A-12. Cruise missles were invented however so the prototypes were scrapped.

You've crossed several different planes into one, let me try to straighten you out a bit.

The A-12 was the CIA version of the Blackbird before the Air Force got it (or a version of) and named it SR-71. According to unconfirmed information, since both planes are still partially classified, the A-12 was a better spyplane since the camera could be tilted, but the SR-71 had a higher top speed.

There was a prototype interceptor version called YF-12, which would've carried the AIM-47 missile which is what the AIM-54 Phoenix missile was derrived from. Interesting factoid, the YF-12A prototype that set the absolute speed record in 1965 is stored with the trophy in the R&D hanger at the National Museum of the USAF at WPAFB, Dayton, OH.

The AIM-47 was originally intended to be a nuclear missile, but a conventional warhead was decided on. There was a plane that carried a nuclear air-to-air missile, the F-106 Delta Dart.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

The Raptor can not fly stable if there is a glitch in the flight computer.

I thought that was true of all modern fly by wire fighters.

 

[ballmode]

Saddened, hope to see it in a museum.

I miss the F-14 already... that's two classics retired this year.

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
I still don't believe that they retired the SR-71 due to fuel costs. I mean, of course a plane whose engines take up most of the craft's volume is going to use a lot of fuel. Those things went faster than a bullet - just imagine them given weapons. Actually nevermind, they might have outrun their payload and gotten hit by it.

But let's think about something: The F-117 and SR-71 were designed 30 years ago. Makes you wonder what they're designing right now, considering how stealth technology is still super-classified.

The SR-71 was on the drawing boards more than 46 years ago.
The first prototype was delivered in 1964.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: ballmode
I miss the F-14 already... that's two classics retired this year.

F-14s retired in Sept 2006. That was the last squadron as well.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Fritzo
The thing is, it's not really even a fighter- it's a light bomber. WIth it's poor payload, other more advanced planes can do a better job. It's hard to believe the design of that plane is 30 years old! :Q

So what will be replacing it? Does the F-22 come in a light bomber configuration?

its proposed stretch version
http://air-attack.com/videos/26/FB-22-Fighter-Bomber.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/...ems/aircraft/fb-22.htm

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

The Raptor can not fly stable if there is a glitch in the flight computer.

I thought that was true of all modern fly by wire fighters.

fly by wire is not the same as computer assist.

 

[brxndxn]

I heard these planes costs more than $2billion each for the USAF to buy.. making them actually worth more than gold by weight. WTF!

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
I heard these planes costs more than $2billion each for the USAF to buy.. making them actually worth more than gold by weight. WTF!

you mean the B-2?

 

[Minjin]

Is the F-22 a better stealth plane than the F-117? Or just a better all around fighter?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Minjin
Is the F-22 a better stealth plane than the F-117? Or just a better all around fighter?

Neither, the F-22 is a fighter, the F-117 is not a fighter at all. The F-22 has a small radar signature, because of the composites it is using and the general shape. That said, the F-22 has the capacity to be a bomber and a fighter.

 

[Minjin]

Well, which has a smaller radar signature? Or does anyone know?