Alex Smith vs Aaron Rodgers

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Despite lack of size, I think Rodgers is the better QB (though I may be a bit biased as a Cal fan :p ) After watching highlights of both, Rodgers seems to throw the ball with much more accuracy and more velocity, as opposed to Smith, who to me has only average arm strength. Rodgers also throws a much better deep ball. Both are almost equal in mobility, as they both ran a 4.6-4.7's in the 40s at the combine. They're both very smart QBs as well. Smith rarely makes mistakes and is able to read defenses and pick them out, the same with Rodgers. But on overall skills, I'd give the nod to Rodgers.
 

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I'd probably have to go with Rodgers. I think he's got the better arm. I read scouting report for Smith where it says he's very cerebral but doesn't have the arm and can't put the ball in tight spots.
 

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Well, as the obligatory Utah fan, I'm going with Alex Smith. I can't say I've seen Aaron Rodgers play and have nothing to compare the two against, although it's hard to argue against Smith being probably the best thinking/smartest QB to be in the draft. He's also very much in the Steve Young model (who also was considered to have only average arm strength coming out of BYU) who can create and is very mobile. All that being said....he should have stayed at Utah for one more year. If for nothing else to give us some legitimacy this year (we're going to suck).
 

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Rodgers

Who should the 49ers select first in the 2005 draft? Not a QB. How bout Benson the RB? or Mike Williams WR?
 

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Rodgers

Who should the 49ers select first in the 2005 draft? Not a QB. How bout Benson the RB? or Mike Williams WR?

Well they said they're committed to selecting a QB, even though this year's QB class isn't so great. They'll probably attempt to trade down with no success.
 

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Perhaps the 49ers should just commit ritual suicide for becoming such a moribund team.
 

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I hope they go for either Derrick Johnson or Braylon Edwards. Rattay will be fine as long as he has some protection and they go back into WCO.

And who knows, if we draft Edwards at #1 and Johnson goes to the Vikings at #7, I'm sure we'd be more than willing to do the trade down for the #18. Then all we'd have to do is follow up on Boston and pray we have no more injuries this year.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: SofaKing
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Rodgers

Who should the 49ers select first in the 2005 draft? Not a QB. How bout Benson the RB? or Mike Williams WR?

Well they said they're committed to selecting a QB, even though this year's QB class isn't so great. They'll probably attempt to trade down with no success.

yeah, thats what i'm afraid of. I think Rattay is decent. What he needed was a better O-line and better WRs. Niner WRs couldn't break open in the 1-3 seconds the O-line gave Rattay. Niners need a guy like Randy Moss who you can just toss up and he'll go catch it. I was thinking Mike Williams might be the answer
 

virtuamike

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: SofaKing
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Rodgers

Who should the 49ers select first in the 2005 draft? Not a QB. How bout Benson the RB? or Mike Williams WR?

Well they said they're committed to selecting a QB, even though this year's QB class isn't so great. They'll probably attempt to trade down with no success.

yeah, thats what i'm afraid of. I think Rattay is decent. What he needed was a better O-line and better WRs. Niner WRs couldn't break open in the 1-3 seconds the O-line gave Rattay. Niners need a guy like Randy Moss who you can just toss up and he'll go catch it. I was thinking Mike Williams might be the answer

I don't think they'll chance on Mike Williams. Rather they go for Edwards.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: virtuamike
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: SofaKing
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Rodgers

Who should the 49ers select first in the 2005 draft? Not a QB. How bout Benson the RB? or Mike Williams WR?

Well they said they're committed to selecting a QB, even though this year's QB class isn't so great. They'll probably attempt to trade down with no success.

yeah, thats what i'm afraid of. I think Rattay is decent. What he needed was a better O-line and better WRs. Niner WRs couldn't break open in the 1-3 seconds the O-line gave Rattay. Niners need a guy like Randy Moss who you can just toss up and he'll go catch it. I was thinking Mike Williams might be the answer

I don't think they'll chance on Mike Williams. Rather they go for Edwards.

I see, I keep forgetting about Edwards. He's rated than Williams. But I keep hearing Williams name in the news so I only remember him.
 

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Originally posted by: virtuamike
I hope they go for either Derrick Johnson or Braylon Edwards. Rattay will be fine as long as he has some protection and they go back into WCO.

And who knows, if we draft Edwards at #1 and Johnson goes to the Vikings at #7, I'm sure we'd be more than willing to do the trade down for the #18. Then all we'd have to do is follow up on Boston and pray we have no more injuries this year.

I think Edwards is by far the best wide receiver in the draft. Tim Rattay hasn't had enough time to prove himself, so maybe they should choose a top caliber wide receiver instead.
 

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Mike Williams is not coverable 1 on 1 by any CB in the league do to his size, strength, body control, and amazing hands...and only a few teams have a LB who is fast enough to stay w/ Williams (@ 4.55-4.6) and solid in man coverage.

I agree with folks here that Edwards will go first amongst WR's...but Williams is the superior talent, if only by a little bit. Many times during his sophmore year, Williams had 10+ catches for 150+ yards and multiple TD's in the 1st half of play...and then sat out the 2nd half because the game was a blow out. CB's covering Williams is like a guard trying to defend a power forward in the post...the guard can front or play behind...either way, without help, the guard is giving up an easy pass into the post. Furthermore, CB's will not be able to jam Williams at the line which will make him a menace against pressing zones. I say that because William's routinely took CB's and even LB's in college and put them on their ass when they tried to jam him at the line.

Neither Smith or Rogers are deserving of a #1 pick IMO, but I guess if SF insists on drafting #1 and taking a QB I'd have to go with Smith myself having seen both QB's play several times...but it is just my opinion and I think people who put Rogers ahead of Smith have good reasons to do so.

When Rogers is on he can make any pass any time any where...problem is, he isn't always very accurate and he doesn't always make good reads.

Smith, I think, is smarter and makes better reads and has just as strong an arm as Rogers. Frankly, neither of them has a big time arm, but then again, neither did Joe Montanta or Steve Young who are 2 of the top 5 QB's in the history of the NFL.

And Smith is taller and a better runner/scrambler.

If Rogers could always perform as he did against USC this last year (godlike) then I'd take him first in a heartbeat...but I don't think he can.
 
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Niners don't need a QB. Rattay can throw the ball as well or better than anybody in this draft. The need a good cornerback desparatly though and there are a couple great ones.
 

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: SofaKing
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Rodgers

Who should the 49ers select first in the 2005 draft? Not a QB. How bout Benson the RB? or Mike Williams WR?

Well they said they're committed to selecting a QB, even though this year's QB class isn't so great. They'll probably attempt to trade down with no success.

yeah, thats what i'm afraid of. I think Rattay is decent. What he needed was a better O-line and better WRs. Niner WRs couldn't break open in the 1-3 seconds the O-line gave Rattay. Niners need a guy like Randy Moss who you can just toss up and he'll go catch it. I was thinking Mike Williams might be the answer


Yeah. Did they not notice San Diego this year?

Drew Brees was in a similar situation. Maybe put an offensive line, some receivers and a running back around Rattay before deciding you need a QB.
 

NeoV

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miniMUNCH, you would get the award for one of the better sports posts of the day, but there are two big problems.....

Aaron Rodgers isn't an accurate passer? Do me a favor and look up his completion percentage, then check back with us....and the Mike Williams part of your post? There isn't a corner in the NFL who can cover him? Ask Champ Bailey about that, then get back to us.

Don't get me wrong, I like Mike Williams, and I think he'll be a good player - but he's much closer to Keyshawn Johnson than he is to Randy Moss. He simply doesn't have the elite speed to be in the category of "can't be covered one-on-one". Randy Moss is the only receiver in the NFL in that category right now, period. Don't forget that corners in the NFL are much stronger than corners in the Pac-10. While he should have success pushing free at the line, his speed will not enable him to pull away from people who will try to jam him, even if he's successful in getting into his route - again, I like him as a WR, and a top 12 pick, I'm just trying to temper the high praise you heaped on him there...

This is hard for me to say being an OSU grad, but Braylon Edwards is a great WR - I think he's the best WR in the draft and a sure-fire impact player from day 1.

I like the rest of your post, but to be completely honest, I'm not sure either of these 2 guys are franchise QB's.....The 'telford' system has produced some guys who looked great in college, but have been average at best in the NFL - and the career charts of Kyle Boller and Aaron Rodgers look very similar, which isn't a great thing...

Smith can play, and he is more mobile than Rodgers by far (sofaking, they are no where close in mobility - even if there 40 times were similar, there really is a huge difference), and apparently he's quite intelligent - I think if they were in last year's draft, they would have been picked behind Manning, Rivers, and Big Ben - likely in the 12-16th picks range.

OH, one last thing......Tim Rattay is not very good - poor arm strength, poor size, poor mobility, poor health.....basically he's not very good - he had a few good games the previous season when they still had TO, but clearly most of that was on TO, not Rattay. The 49'ers do need a QB, I'm just not sure that either of these guys are the best pick for them right now. I think they should trade down, several times if possible, and accumulate as many picks in rounds 1-4 as possible...trouble is there isn't much demand for the top pick this year!
 

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Drafting QB's is such a freaking crapshoot. I'd rather get some linemen or an instant impact RB or WR - not that I know if any are available in the draft...
 

virtuamike

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Niners don't need a QB. Rattay can throw the ball as well or better than anybody in this draft. The need a good cornerback desparatly though and there are a couple great ones.

Yeah but no way they're gonna take a CB at #1. I say get Edwards, force the Vikings to trade the #7 and #18 if Johnson is still available, then use the #18 on a CB.

And if the Vikings don't go for it, keep Edwards. Stock up on CBs and linemen, and maybe look for a late round QB prospect.
 

virtuamike

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Drafting QB's is such a freaking crapshoot. I'd rather get some linemen or an instant impact RB or WR - not that I know if any are available in the draft...

I'd go for Edwards over Williams simply because I'm scared of Williams turning into a Stokes clone. If we draft Edawds, get Lloyd to pull his head out of his as, give Woods more playing time, do a better job of pass protection, and stay healthy, then I think our O will be ok.

Sad as it may sound, I'd rather have a serviceable WCO and depend on the new 3-4 and the D to grind out wins.
 

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I read this just now and thought it would be interesting to add
Alex Smith's workout and what an analyst thought of it.


By Gil Brandt
NFL.com Senior Analyst
I've been coming to private workouts for decades, but this is the first time I can remember a player receiving a standing ovation from his audience. He was lights out. Smith threw for 45 minutes, and in that time, only one ball wasn't catchable, and that was at the end of the session when Savoy's tongue was hanging out after being run all over the field.

Larry Kennan, now the head of the NFL coaches association, ran the workout. Smith was previously thought of as a shotgun quarterback because of Utah's offense, but Smith and Kennan mapped out a great scripted workout that saw Smith make all the throws -- three-step drops, five-step drops, play-action passes, deep passes, crossing routes, roll-out passes and, of course, the deep routes. In fact, Smith threw 62 yards to a receiver standing on the goal line, and the pass was perfect.

They don't call this "Money Week" for nothing, and I am sure that Smith feels like he helped himself get into position to be the first quarterback taken, and possibly the first player taken, in April's draft.
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dr150

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Rodgers is more accurate and has a stronger arm.

Smith exhibited to be more mobile, but that's b/c the offense was run like that.

No question Rodgers.....though Smith will be a fine QB--especially with his big brain to remember complex NFL playbooks.
 

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
I read this just now and thought it would be interesting to add
Alex Smith's workout and what an analyst thought of it.


By Gil Brandt
NFL.com Senior Analyst
I've been coming to private workouts for decades, but this is the first time I can remember a player receiving a standing ovation from his audience. He was lights out. Smith threw for 45 minutes, and in that time, only one ball wasn't catchable, and that was at the end of the session when Savoy's tongue was hanging out after being run all over the field.

Larry Kennan, now the head of the NFL coaches association, ran the workout. Smith was previously thought of as a shotgun quarterback because of Utah's offense, but Smith and Kennan mapped out a great scripted workout that saw Smith make all the throws -- three-step drops, five-step drops, play-action passes, deep passes, crossing routes, roll-out passes and, of course, the deep routes. In fact, Smith threw 62 yards to a receiver standing on the goal line, and the pass was perfect.

They don't call this "Money Week" for nothing, and I am sure that Smith feels like he helped himself get into position to be the first quarterback taken, and possibly the first player taken, in April's draft.
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Now it's even harder to conclude who is the better player.