Alex Jones got spanked in court.

[woolfe9998]

$45.2 million. I hope the judge doesn't reduce it.

I've never been on a jury that had to determine that kind of monetary award. I wonder what the process is. Why 45.2 million? Why not 45 or an even 50? What makes them come up with 45.2?

Often times a jury will agree on some arbitrary method of calculating the amount, like x% of net worth, or x% of revenues in the past year. They have all the defendant's financial information when making this determination.

 

[woolfe9998]

Damn, looked back at my posts in the various Jones' threads over the years, and while I predicted punitive damages, I had suggested $10 million. Defamation verdicts don't often get this high so I had no basis to project higher. And to think they had to vote unanimously and came out with an award that high.

 

[Jaskalas]

Damn, looked back at my posts in the various Jones' threads over the years, and while I predicted punitive damages, I had suggested $10 million. Defamation verdicts don't often get this high so I had no basis to project higher. And to think they had to vote unanimously and came out with an award that high.

Most defamation verdicts do not involve a long standing campaign to raise a cult whose continuous harassment and death threats haunt the victims.
What that man did to those families has no parallel.

 

[BoomerD]

$45.2 million. I hope the judge doesn't reduce it.

I've never been on a jury that had to determine that kind of monetary award. I wonder what the process is. Why 45.2 million? Why not 45 or an even 50? What makes them come up with 45.2?

The jury awarded them $4.1million...the judge awarded them $42 million.

 

[Linux23]

Still not nearly enough for this cumdumpster.😡😡😡

 

[akenbennu]

The jury awarded them $4.1million...the judge awarded them $42 million.

Sadly, Texas caps punitive damages at $750k.

 

[woolfe9998]

The jury awarded them $4.1million...the judge awarded them $42 million.

No, the jury awarded $4.1 million in compensatory, and $45.2 million in punitives.

 

[KMFJD]

American justice is a fucking farce unless you commit it against the rich


Since 1987, Chapter 41 of the Texas Civil Practice and Remedies Code, passed by the Texas Legislature, has limited punitive damages in almost any scenario (exceptions apply for serious felonies and white collar crime) to:

“Exemplary damages awarded against a defendant may not exceed an amount equal to the greater of: (1)(A) two times the amount of economic damages; plus (B) an amount equal to any noneconomic damages found by the jury, not to exceed $750,000; or (2) $200,000.”

Here, the damages of $4.1 MM are entirely non-economic. The $750,000 cap applies. The total judgment will be in the neighborhood of $4.11MM plus $750,000, or $4.865MM.

The jury is not told there’s a cap. These jurors found an amount they considered just, but the Texas Legislature has decided that tortfeasors must be protected from ’runaway juries’. I bet these jurors will be sorely disappointed when they discover this. This is cigarette money to Mr. Jones: no punishment for the most egregious conduct coupled with glaring contempt for the Rule of Law.

Mr. Jones continues to laugh all the way to the bank, over and over and over. Appalling. This is how it works since Republicans gained control of the Legislature, and amply rewarded the business and insurance interest whose money fueled their election victories. And other aspects of the civil justice system have been watered down by successive ‘tort reform’ Legislatures, and a state supreme court that has been 9 Republicans, 0 Democrats since the early 90s.


Many states have similar caps passed by their legislatures.

 

[brycejones]

American justice is a fucking farce unless you commit it against the rich


Since 1987, Chapter 41 of the Texas Civil Practice and Remedies Code, passed by the Texas Legislature, has limited punitive damages in almost any scenario (exceptions apply for serious felonies and white collar crime) to:

“Exemplary damages awarded against a defendant may not exceed an amount equal to the greater of: (1)(A) two times the amount of economic damages; plus (B) an amount equal to any noneconomic damages found by the jury, not to exceed $750,000; or (2) $200,000.”

Here, the damages of $4.1 MM are entirely non-economic. The $750,000 cap applies. The total judgment will be in the neighborhood of $4.11MM plus $750,000, or $4.865MM.

The jury is not told there’s a cap. These jurors found an amount they considered just, but the Texas Legislature has decided that tortfeasors must be protected from ’runaway juries’. I bet these jurors will be sorely disappointed when they discover this. This is cigarette money to Mr. Jones: no punishment for the most egregious conduct coupled with glaring contempt for the Rule of Law.

Mr. Jones continues to laugh all the way to the bank, over and over and over. Appalling. This is how it works since Republicans gained control of the Legislature, and amply rewarded the business and insurance interest whose money fueled their election victories. And other aspects of the civil justice system have been watered down by successive ‘tort reform’ Legislatures, and a state supreme court that has been 9 Republicans, 0 Democrats since the early 90s.


Many states have similar caps passed by their legislatures.

But if bad actors can be held accountable how will they make donations to state legislators?

Also something about the party of personal responsibility once again ensuring no one really has to take responsibility.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

American justice is a fucking farce unless you commit it against the rich


Since 1987, Chapter 41 of the Texas Civil Practice and Remedies Code, passed by the Texas Legislature, has limited punitive damages in almost any scenario (exceptions apply for serious felonies and white collar crime) to:

“Exemplary damages awarded against a defendant may not exceed an amount equal to the greater of: (1)(A) two times the amount of economic damages; plus (B) an amount equal to any noneconomic damages found by the jury, not to exceed $750,000; or (2) $200,000.”

Here, the damages of $4.1 MM are entirely non-economic. The $750,000 cap applies. The total judgment will be in the neighborhood of $4.11MM plus $750,000, or $4.865MM.

The jury is not told there’s a cap. These jurors found an amount they considered just, but the Texas Legislature has decided that tortfeasors must be protected from ’runaway juries’. I bet these jurors will be sorely disappointed when they discover this. This is cigarette money to Mr. Jones: no punishment for the most egregious conduct coupled with glaring contempt for the Rule of Law.

Mr. Jones continues to laugh all the way to the bank, over and over and over. Appalling. This is how it works since Republicans gained control of the Legislature, and amply rewarded the business and insurance interest whose money fueled their election victories. And other aspects of the civil justice system have been watered down by successive ‘tort reform’ Legislatures, and a state supreme court that has been 9 Republicans, 0 Democrats since the early 90s.


Many states have similar caps passed by their legislatures.

Let’s calm the fuck down until this actually happens.

 

[brycejones]

Let’s calm the fuck down until this actually happens.

I'd love to hear a legal theory about why that statute would not apply.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'd love to hear a legal theory about why that statute would not apply.

Let’s calm the fuck down until it happens

 

[IronWing]

Liability caps are a subsidy for bad behavior. Texas wants to encourage more bad behavior.

 

[Mai72]

If Alex Jones files for bankruptcy (which I believe he did last week) will that protect his assets and net worth?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If Alex Jones files for bankruptcy (which I believe he did last week) will that protect his assets and net worth?

Bankruptcy has been denied twice for Mr. Jones

 

[brycejones]

Let’s calm the fuck down until it happens

Again, I would love to hear a legal theory about why that wouldn’t apply. Do you have one or know of one?

 

[eelw]

If Alex Jones files for bankruptcy (which I believe he did last week) will that protect his assets and net worth?

Technically yes. But when it's proven he's lying and attempting to hide his wealth under this lame attempt, he'll get additional charges and fines on top of all the lawsuits.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Again, I would love to hear a legal theory about why that wouldn’t apply. Do you have one or know of one?

Not a lawyer, I’ll leave that up to a lawyer.

 

[Mai72]

Bankruptcy has been denied twice for Mr. Jones

That's good. Awesome actually.

 

[brycejones]

Not a lawyer, I’ll leave that up to a lawyer.

Surely you looked for a lawyer with an opinion before telling everyone to calm the fuck down?

 

[Mai72]

Wow. Had no idea that his company is worth $270m

Lots of money in selling survival vitamins, and other bullsh*t to superstitious people.

Alex Jones and his company worth up to $270 million, economist testifies

An economist says conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his company Free Speech Systems are worth up to $270 million.

www.latimes.com

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Surely you looked for a lawyer with an opinion before telling everyone to calm the fuck down?

Calm the fuck down is a social term not a legal term.
I am not a lawyer.
I am extremely qualified to say “Calm the fuck down”.

 

[Brainonska511]

Liability caps are a subsidy for bad behavior. Texas wants to encourage more bad behavior.

Never forget that all the calls for "tort reform" are always a smoke screen cover for passing laws to protecting people with money by limiting people's ability to sue and collect from bad actors.

 

[brycejones]

Calm the fuck down is a social term not a legal term.
I am not a lawyer.
I am extremely qualified to say “Calm the fuck down”.

You need to calm the fuck down with the calm the fuck down.

 

[Number1]

Anybody checked for calm the fuck down suplements on Alex's site?