With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
It wasn't for lack of trying. Multiple CEOs have tried their best to sink this ship. It's too bigThis kind of stupidity in a corporate environment is what makes companies go bankrupt.
BUT... Companies buying server hardware are not so dumb.... Anymore. And between the people that have a clue on hardware, and the companies that have a clue buying server hardware, it can really hurt over time. Today is an example. Microsoft, and several businesses buying supercomputers are buying AMD. Many users are still buying AMD. If Intel doesn't "wake up and smell the roses" and stop with the marketing crap, and actually start providing some good hardware, their days are numbered.@igor_kavinski
Stirring the pot doesn't achieve much. For nerds that look at the low level specs know what is what and ignore the marketing. When you dive into the specs and benchmarks those things are usually pointed out. The average consumer though doesn't care and buys whatever the under informed sales person advises them on.
Sales people in most environments don't know jack about the technology beyond the tag on the shelf. Some might have a small amount of info if they're interested enough to dig deeper but, stores don't provide much info on products. If someone is spending $400 on a CPU they probably did some homework on it before doing so. Or they're buying some prebuilt POS from Best Buy or Wal-Mart.
Derailing the thread ? Talking about Alder Lake, right ? Yes, the insanity behind the 12900KS ? Why don't you respond with something on-topic about this product, instead of personal insults. I guess you can't do that, as you have a personal agenda here.Buddy, you're wasting your time here. It's a lost cause trying to get certain people to understand the mass consumer market vs. a niche product. All the bankruptcy and Intel is dead! talks have been going on for a good 5 years. Not to mention that it's totally derailing the thread regarding the actual product and technology that people want to talk about. It's also spun into some Intel vs. AMD non-sense that has nothing to do with the actual conversation in general.
True, I'm just using the all core turbo as a baseline figure, the 5800X3D will also have a higher ST boost as well, but its just the relative difference in clockspeed/IPC vs the 96MB L3 that will determine which CPU comes out ahead in games.What matters for gaming is not all out all core speed of 5.2Ghz, but more likely 5.5Ghz ST core, so advantage in clock speed is in range of 15-22% in gaming, probably nearer 22% in most games.
Still 96MB of L3 has merits of it's own, and i fully expect some games will love it, and there will still be more games where 99 percentile FPS will be better on X3D chip.
But only in cache sensitive workloads.I'm sure the 96mb cache is going to ensure the 5800X3D is going to have a different IPC than regular desktop Zen 3.
Look at the posts below yours. Many here think the 5800X3D may very well beat the 12900KS, not just me. I am a realist, not a blinded Intel fan.Here we go again. The 12900K(S) is "useless" because 8p+8e cores don't beat a 16c 5950x in overall multithreaded workloads, and it loses to a yet to be reviewed 5800X3D. Are you seeing your bias here? I mean do you read what you type? Or, do I always have to step in and point out the bias to you? Whether you like it or not, the best all-round processor right now is ADL. Usually, you want to see reputable reviews before making your opinion known, right? RIGHT? Biased much?
Really it's not. Alder Lake is a very good CPU. This is just a binned part for those who want to pay the most money for a slightly higher performance.It's the Pentium 4 EE again, maxed beyond reason to try to fend off a very competitive CPU
Yeah. It will pay for the KFC buckets when their engineers are working late at night. Sometimes they do 80 hour work weeks.This is just a binned part for those who want to pay the most money for a slightly higher performance.
To be clear, I was talking about benchmarks, that at full power in benchmarks (multi-threaded usually) the 5950x only does 142 watts, and wins MOST of them.And all that is false. All the things that are not multithreaded don't consume more than 142 watts on ADL. And why 142 watts? Don't you see what he's doing?
Its the way you interpret my posts. I have to be very clear sometimes not to be misquoted.That's a very different argument than the one you've been spending most of your time on. If you'd left it at that, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.
Running a base clock over 100MHz skews memory results in AIDA64 making it look much higher than they should be. The developers call it a bug. I believe they have their own made up formula assuming people run a 100MHz base clock.
Windows 11 Search bar being slowed down by E-cores.
Also found this: Workload balancing on E-cores seems strange on desktop - Microsoft Tech Community
E-cores should really be called V-cores (vampire cores) coz they suck the performance out of your workloads.
When Skylake launched with DDR4, they still had a limited number of boards that supported DDR3:I'm convinced that DDR4 is the way to go if you were going to buy at launch. This always happens with new memory but unlike last time Intel changed memory you have a choice.
Well, newegg has quite a few DDR5, none are ECCIs it true that we are finally getting ECC standard on DDR5 DIMMs? I thought that I had read that somewhere.
Right now on Newegg they have 12 DDR4 boards versus 11 DDR5. We'll have to see what people choose but it's definately not going to be like Skylake's limited DDR3L support.When Skylake launched with DDR4, they still had a limited number of boards that supported DDR3:
It appears to be a similar situation this time with DDR5.
ECC is built into the module itself.Is it true that we are finally getting ECC standard on DDR5 DIMMs? I thought that I had read that somewhere.
Sort of. If you are a marketeer.Is it true that we are finally getting ECC standard on DDR5 DIMMs? I thought that I had read that somewhere.
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