Alcoholism

[KlokWyze]

I drink too much & it really isn't good for me any many ways. I think moderate drinking is fine. Say, 2 or 3 nights a week, 2 or 3 drinks. I'm really starting to focus on working out & eating better so drinking is in direct conflict with this. I've cut back a little, but need to cut back more. I think replacing time drinking with doing more constructive & fulfilling stuff is the right way to go.

I think the intense views on drinking told be people who simply couldn't control themselves in the 1st place are the WRONG people to listen too. Why does it have to be all or nothing for everybody? It's quite obvious too much of ANYTHING is bad for you, much more so for alcohol.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Does anyone dislike the taste of hard alcohol? Honestly I've never developed a huge taste for it. I can drink a G&T or Vodka Tonic but really I would much rather just have a beer.

Depends on the style of drinking for the night. Hard liquor is something I'd rather save for just sipping on while at home, maybe before going out or just for enjoying myself that night. But Gin & Tonic is like... a weakness for me. I love Gin. Like... it's hard for me to have only one glass of it, and I tend to make strong Gin-based drinks, because I love the stuff. And well, the nights I end up having more than one, it starts a chain reaction of basically binging, and yes, that is followed by a purge that evening. I tend to do the same with a good vodka, usually vodka and cranberry, and yeah yeah say what you will, but mine tend to be half and half lol. That, or shaken over ice with a splash of a fresh lime or lemon and it goes down like cake. I used to just basically drink vodka straight, but after getting introduced to gin, I've moved away from that.

hmm, sorry to talk to much about alcohol in an alcoholism thread. Lost my head there.

Rudeguy, cheers to you for getting control of yourself. That takes a lot, and alcoholics have it very rough and all deserve the support of friends and family.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: Loreena
I have some 89% vol absinthe but am afraid to drink it straight.

It will burn like crazy. I had it served to me the correct way in a bar in Armenia (over the sugar cube on the spoon, lit on fire, etc.), and on its way down my body was telling me "WTF is this shit, take it out of me," burning all the way down, but other than that, it is just very strong, licorice tasting alcohol. Don't expect to get any psychoactive properties from the thujone in it, since it is not related to THC.

I've heard that the whole psychoactive properties thing got overblown, and that many still claim that it is a very 'chill' drink, where you have a few people over and all have maybe a couple proper-served drinks together, and the conversation just flows in a different manner.

I've yet to try it myself, mostly because I know it'll be an issue even drinking it as I HATE licorice flavor (anise). Cannot stand it.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: CRXican
This thread went south. Let's talk about what we drink in the alcoholism thread!

I have two bottles of Absinthe in my closet

Yeah, I see what you mean. On a side note, I can see my 18 year old friend becoming an alcoholic. He drinks beers to the point of getting drunk every day. I don't want to say anything, but how can you hint at the fact that it might be getting out of control? He has his own house with house mates (his parents pay his rent/utilities), so the law is not a problem.

And yes, I know he's not an alcoholic, he's a freshman. :roll:

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: Loreena
I have some 89% vol absinthe but am afraid to drink it straight.

It will burn like crazy. I had it served to me the correct way in a bar in Armenia (over the sugar cube on the spoon, lit on fire, etc.), and on its way down my body was telling me "WTF is this shit, take it out of me," burning all the way down, but other than that, it is just very strong, licorice tasting alcohol. Don't expect to get any psychoactive properties from the thujone in it, since it is not related to THC.

I've heard that the whole psychoactive properties thing got overblown, and that many still claim that it is a very 'chill' drink, where you have a few people over and all have maybe a couple proper-served drinks together, and the conversation just flows in a different manner.

I've yet to try it myself, mostly because I know it'll be an issue even drinking it as I HATE licorice flavor (anise). Cannot stand it.

It is a "chill drink" because it gets you hammered extremely quickly.

Ok, let's post less about drinking in this thread, and focus on alcoholism instead.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: KlokWyze
I drink too much & it really isn't good for me any many ways. I think moderate drinking is fine. Say, 2 or 3 nights a week, 2 or 3 drinks. I'm really starting to focus on working out & eating better so drinking is in direct conflict with this. I've cut back a little, but need to cut back more. I think replacing time drinking with doing more constructive & fulfilling stuff is the right way to go.

I think the intense views on drinking told be people who simply couldn't control themselves in the 1st place are the WRONG people to listen too. Why does it have to be all or nothing for everybody? It's quite obvious too much of ANYTHING is bad for you, much more so for alcohol.

I think the part in bold is very true. I would get home from work and I was bored so downing a couple tallboys and getting a quick buzz before dinner would kill some time.

At the same time I stopped drinking cold turkey I started a pretty strict exercise program. As you mentioned, alcohol is totally counter productive to any exercise program. Add in a strict diet (for me, trying to put on weight) there is just not time or room for alcohol.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: KlokWyze
I drink too much & it really isn't good for me any many ways. I think moderate drinking is fine. Say, 2 or 3 nights a week, 2 or 3 drinks. I'm really starting to focus on working out & eating better so drinking is in direct conflict with this. I've cut back a little, but need to cut back more. I think replacing time drinking with doing more constructive & fulfilling stuff is the right way to go.

I think the intense views on drinking told be people who simply couldn't control themselves in the 1st place are the WRONG people to listen too. Why does it have to be all or nothing for everybody? It's quite obvious too much of ANYTHING is bad for you, much more so for alcohol.

I think the part in bold is very true. I would get home from work and I was bored so downing a couple tallboys and getting a quick buzz before dinner would kill some time.

At the same time I stopped drinking cold turkey I started a pretty strict exercise program. As you mentioned, alcohol is totally counter productive to any exercise program. Add in a strict diet (for me, trying to put on weight) there is just not time or room for alcohol.

The strict exercise plan is great advice. Not only does alcohol contain loads of sugar, but it screws up digestion for a bit, making it counterproductive. Also, I agree with replacing time spent having a buzz with more constructive activities, keeping one's mind off the drug (alcohol).

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: CRXican
This thread went south. Let's talk about what we drink in the alcoholism thread!

I have two bottles of Absinthe in my closet

Yeah, I see what you mean. On a side note, I can see my 18 year old friend becoming an alcoholic. He drinks beers to the point of getting drunk every day. I don't want to say anything, but how can you hint at the fact that it might be getting out of control? He has his own house with house mates (his parents pay his rent/utilities), so the law is not a problem.

And yes, I know he's not an alcoholic, he's a freshman. :roll:

A little early to label him an alcoholic but I did have my first binge drinking experience in my freshman year of college. I believe it contributed to my bad habits.

Even in recent years, I never had a friend say I was drinking too much or ask if I thought I had a problem. My mom on the other hand gave me a hard time all the time.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: CRXican
This thread went south. Let's talk about what we drink in the alcoholism thread!

I have two bottles of Absinthe in my closet

Yeah, I see what you mean. On a side note, I can see my 18 year old friend becoming an alcoholic. He drinks beers to the point of getting drunk every day. I don't want to say anything, but how can you hint at the fact that it might be getting out of control? He has his own house with house mates (his parents pay his rent/utilities), so the law is not a problem.

And yes, I know he's not an alcoholic, he's a freshman. :roll:

A little early to label him an alcoholic but I did have my first binge drinking experience in my freshman year of college. I believe it contributed to my bad habits.

Even in recent years, I never had a friend say I was drinking too much or ask if I thought I had a problem. My mom on the other hand gave me a hard time all the time.

That's the thing, I don't want to be that guy. The problem is that his parents are OK with him getting drunk often. Bad parenting FTL.

 

[CKent]

I had a drink tonight, and my last one was only 11.5 months ago. What's the AA hotline? I need to sign up for rehab.

 

[oiprocs]

What's alocholism?

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: CKent
I had a drink tonight, and my last one was only 11.5 months ago. What's the AA hotline? I need to sign up for rehab.

you're outta control man!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: oiprocs
What's alocholism?

it's when you're too drunk to spell correctly

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: oiprocs
What's alocholism?

it's when you're too drunk to spell correctly

The ironing is amazing.

 

[Loreena]

Originally posted by: oiprocs
What's alocholism?

You need to run a chkdsk on your volumes as something is corruppt.

 

[zinfamous]

Is it OK if I just upgrade to drinking two 9% beers instead of two 4% beers?

I rarely drink liquor anymore, as it...just doesn't work for me. that's as close as I've been able to get at this point.

Giving up fine wine though....damn...

 

[vshah]

Originally posted by: Loreena
I have some 89% vol absinthe but am afraid to drink it straight.

mix it with jager and vodka!

 

[biggestmuff]

:beer:

 

[mundane]

Originally posted by: Loreena

Originally posted by: oiprocs
What's alocholism?

You need to run a chkdsk on your volumes as something is corruppt.

Or for the Linux folks, don't forget to unmount before you fsck

 

[SirStev0]

Topic Title: Alocholism



You been hitting the bottle?

 

[illusion88]

I haven't had a month of sobriety since I was 18. I'm 23 now. Danm. That's a long time.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: illusion88
I haven't had a month of sobriety since I was 18. I'm 23 now. Danm. That's a long time.

Thinking about it, I am pretty much the same except for would probably put it at 16 or 17.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: rudeguy
Sexuality affects people from all different walks of life. It doesn't care if you are rich or poor, black or white, male or female.

It isn't a sign of weakness to not be able to control your sexuality. Many people have tried to fight it with will power and knowledge and failed miserably. Sexuality is a physical and mental condition that has no cure. There is a physical defect that causes nymphomaniacs to not be able to process sex like a normal person. Basically once you put penis into your body, it triggers a reaction that makes your body crave more. The only thing you can do is to not put any penis into your body at all. The problem is the mental defect, an obsession if you will. An nymphomaniac will obsess about sex any time he is not fornicating. He will also obsess about not having enough to copulate. That ties back into the physical defect.

There should be no shame in admitting your problem, yet shame is the most common emotion that nymphomaniacs feel. They don't want to admit they have a problem and even after they do admit it, they never want to get the help they need. Imagining life without sex to them is like imagining life without alcohol of any kind. Its not something that seems possible.

If any of you do think you have a problem with sex, I would like to offer a couple of litmus tests. Knowing these early on can help you from hitting rock bottom.

1. Try inserting only 2 dildos. That means 2 12 inch dildos or 2 mixed dildos with one tube of lube. Try it a few times. An nymphomaniac cannot stop himself at just 2 or 3.

2. Try not fornicating for a year. Yes, a whole year. If my first test hit home at all, I doubt you will be able to make it anything like a year. A couple of weeks of white knuckling it is probably all you can manage.

So what to do if you are nymphomaniac? Many of you know my personal experience with that. Porno helped me. Some (very few) people find what they need in dildos. Others might like swinger based programs that are offered. Anything is better than doing nothing. Just seek satisfaction.

I posted this to help clear up some of the common myths about nymphomania. What you screw or how often you screw doesn't really matter. Its how sex affects your life that does matter. If anyone ever wants to talk about sex or just wants someone to listen, I am here. I won't try to push my way of thinking on you, but I will help in any way I can.

Here are some very well written words on nymphomania. I hope this helps someone out there.

Fixed! :wine::evil::beer:

BTW, your statement about

Imagining life without alcohol to them is like imagining life without sex of any kind.

is what stimulated my over stimulated parody imagination.

And I think trying to generalize alcoholism or alcoholics and including using your testing methodology to weed them out is absurd. There are many varied reasons people use alcohol. People use it to numb physical or emotional pain. People use it as a social lubricant to make it easier to meet people, and overcome inhibitions. People use alcohol as a sexual stimulant (though in too great a quantity it has the opposite effect). People use alcohol to unwind and relax after a stressful day or a stressful situation. Or people may even just enjoy a few glasses of wine to accent the flavor of a fine meal. To try to mischaracterize all people who enjoy drinking as alcoholics is like trying to characterize people who like to have sex as nymphomaniacs. Which is why I used this absurd parody of your post to make my point.

People have been drinking alcohol for perhaps 100k years or more. Alcoholic and fermented beverages helped to prevent the spread of water born diseases when it was carried in skin or clay containers for long periods of time 1000s of years ago, and it was frequently more common to drink alcohol than water to prevent illness and dysentery.

So the genetic predisposition for alcohol was essentially genetically engineered through generations of our ancient ancestors who imbibed in it not just because they enjoyed drinking it, but because to not drink a fermented beverage might mean sickness or death. And I also have a feeling a lot of the ancient brews were undoubtedly vile and rank and almost undrinkable by todays standards of alcohol, making the drinking of it more of a chore than a pleasure for most ancient peoples.

Personally, I can take alcohol or leave it, and have done without it for years at a time with no ill effects or uncontrollable desires for it. But occasionally I will buy it if I am in a stressful situation or simply sore or stiff from some hard physical activity where I would rather have a few drinks to loosen tight muscles than pop some pills like aspirins on a regular basis. Does that make me an alcoholic? By your standards, it does. Which is total BS. People can become uncontrollably addicted to damn near anything, including biting their fingernails or playing video games or just eating too much. Putting alcohol in its own little isolated addiction world while ignoring the obvious tendency for humans to just be addicted to anything, is really ignoring the cause and treating the superficial manifestation of the underlying neurosis.

 

[sonambulo]

Originally posted by: Loreena
I have some 89% vol absinthe but am afraid to drink it straight.

That's why you louche it with champagne.

 

[fleabag]

Originally posted by: rudeguy
Alcoholism affects people from all different walks of life. It doesn't care if you are rich or poor, black or white, male or female.

It isn't a sign of weakness to not be able to control your drinking. Many people have tried to fight it with will power and knowledge and failed miserably. Alcoholism is a physical and mental condition that has no cure. There is a physical defect that causes alcoholics to not be able to process alcohol like a normal person. Basically once you put alcohol into your body, it triggers a reaction that makes your body crave more. The only thing you can do is to not put any alcohol into your body at all. The problem is the mental defect, an obsession if you will. An alcoholic will obsess about drinking any time he is not drinking. He will also obsess about not having enough to drink. That ties back into the physical defect.

There should be no shame in admitting your problem, yet shame is the most common emotion that alcoholics feel. They don't want to admit they have a problem and even after they do admit it, they never want to get the help they need. Imagining life without alcohol to them is like imagining life without sex of any kind. Its not something that seems possible.

If any of you do think you have a problem with alcohol, I would like to offer a couple of litmus tests. Knowing these early on can help you from hitting rock bottom.

1. Try drinking only 2 drinks. That means 2 12 ounce beers or 2 mixed drinks with one shot of alcohol. Try it a few times. An alcoholic cannot stop himself at just 2 or 3.

2. Try not drinking for a year. Yes, a whole year. If my first test hit home at all, I doubt you will be able to make it anything like a year. A couple of weeks of white knuckling it is probably all you can manage.

So what to do if you are alcoholic? Many of you know my personal experience with that. AA helped me. Some (very few) people find what they need in rehab. Others might like non-faith based programs that are offered. Anything is better than doing nothing. Just seek help.

I posted this to help clear up some of the common myths about alcoholism. What you drink or how often you drink doesn't really matter. Its how drinking affects your life that does matter. If anyone ever wants to talk about drinking or just wants someone to listen, I am here. I won't try to push my way of thinking on you, but I will help in any way I can.

Here are some very well written words on alcoholism. I hope this helps someone out there.

You know what's really strange? When you say "try not drinking for a year", I'm starting to wonder if I could handle that. I don't drink at all but the idea that I'm not allowed to do something would totally get me wound up and somehow force me to go do the very thing I'm not suppose to do for an entire year. strange...