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sjwaste

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Ok, so I was just watching a show on the food network, the one with Sandra Lee.

She's making french toast with a gran marnier strawberry topping. To make it, she adds a drizzle of GM and some sugar to some strawberries, then reminds the audience that this breakfast is for the adults, because the strawberries are uncooked so the alcohol will stay in.

Seriously? Is it that big of a deal that you'd want to keep that away from your kids? I didn't realize that a drop of liqueur will poison a child for life.

Maybe its because I grew up first generation (parents are Italian), but alcohol was never a big deal at all, let alone worrying about a tiny bit of it that may be present in our food. As a kid, we got some heavily diluted wine with ginger ale with our meals most Sundays. If we had pizza on a lazy weeknight, we got a sip of beer because they "go together" according to my grandmother. We grew up definitely being told that there was potential for abuse when it came to alcohol, but never being treated like a little bit of consumption was a big deal. My folks weren't really drinkers, either, so its not like they weren't keeping it from us out of irresponsibility or anything. It was just a part of the food and a part of the culture and and having a little wasn't a big deal.

As we got older, it was don't drink and drive, stay the night where you are. As we went away to college, the responsibility we learned meant that we didn't dive off the deep end and drink our way out of school (or even ever land in jail, get a drunk in public, driving home, etc).

I know this argument commutes to a whole laundry list of things that we absolutely can't harm the children with in the US, but seriously, isn't the prohibitionist attitude a little much?

/weak rant
 

Anubis

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no its definitly a bit WTF

Ben & Jerries can no longer sell the "White Russian" flavor of ice cream in stores because it contains Kahlua, and people under 21 might buy it
 

krunchykrome

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I dont think the general public is that conservative with their children, including the host of the show. I think it's more of a safe-measure by the broadcasting company. These days, one little mistake, especially on TV, and you've got people yelling, complaining, andthrowing lawsuits at you.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: Anubis
no its definitly a bit WTF

Ben & Jerries can no longer sell the "White Russian" flavor of ice cream in stores because it contains Kahlua, and people under 21 might buy it

I wish you weren't serious.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Originally posted by: Anubis
no its definitly a bit WTF

Ben & Jerries can no longer sell the "White Russian" flavor of ice cream in stores because it contains Kahlua, and people under 21 might buy it

By the same logic, we shouldn't sell extract. Mint extract is 90% alcohol (my friends put it in their beer sometimes at my house :) ).
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I dont think the general public is that conservative with their children, including the host of the show. I think it's more of a safe-measure by the broadcasting company. These days, one little mistake, especially on TV, and you've got people yelling, complaining, andthrowing lawsuits at you.

I realize that in that instance it was probably, at least partially, a liability issue. But seriously, why mention it? There's no law that prevents them from showing that on TV. It's the parent's responsibility in the end.

It shocked me that some states' liquor laws do NOT make an exception for a parent serving their own children in their home. It's a minority of states, but technically illegal for parents to give their kids any alcohol (and im not talking about buying them a keg or anything) in their own home.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It's because this country was founded and is run by prudes.

Please don't think for a minute that the founding fathers of this country were the uptight religious puritan prudes we have today. In fact, for their time they were very liberal and forward thinking.

Read up on "The Age of Enlightenment" for more information on this.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: Anubis
no its definitly a bit WTF

Ben & Jerries can no longer sell the "White Russian" flavor of ice cream in stores because it contains Kahlua, and people under 21 might buy it

By the same logic, we shouldn't sell extract. Mint extract is 90% alcohol (my friends put it in their beer sometimes at my house :) ).

And we drank vanilla extract in middle school ;)
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It's because this country was founded and is run by prudes.

Please don't think for a minute that the founding fathers of this country were the uptight religious puritan prudes we have today. In fact, for their time they were very liberal and forward thinking.

True - Washington and Jefferson both grew weed and made their own booze. The conngressmen/women we elect are the most uptight people in the world, though - or at least in Western civilization.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It's because this country was founded and is run by prudes.

Please don't think for a minute that the founding fathers of this country were the uptight religious puritan prudes we have today. In fact, for their time they were very liberal and forward thinking.

Liberal by the current definition doesn't fit either, really. They were very libertarian. Back then it was ok to not have a position on every aspect of life.

To the alcohol subject, I don't think I'd even be critical of a parent who made that choice necessarily. It's just that the attitude is so pervasive in society that it needs to be pointed out on television? People can make their own choices with their kids.
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I dont think the general public is that conservative with their children, including the host of the show. I think it's more of a safe-measure by the broadcasting company. These days, one little mistake, especially on TV, and you've got people yelling, complaining, andthrowing lawsuits at you.

I think they are. Hell, I know someone my age (with no children) who is so afraid of alcohol that she won't even eat tiramisu unless it was made with a special non-alcoholic recipe. To me, it's not tiramisu without at least some form of alcohol in it (usually rum, but I prefer it with Kahlua instead).
 

Deeko

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I'm not commenting on whether or not I think it's "right" for kids to eat something like that.

However, from the TV show's perspective...dude, it's illegal for children to consume alcohol, and the show is covering their ass by reminding you of that. Pretty simple.
 

shocksyde

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I dont think the general public is that conservative with their children, including the host of the show. I think it's more of a safe-measure by the broadcasting company. These days, one little mistake, especially on TV, and you've got people yelling, complaining, andthrowing lawsuits at you.

I realize that in that instance it was probably, at least partially, a liability issue. But seriously, why mention it? There's no law that prevents them from showing that on TV. It's the parent's responsibility in the end.

It shocked me that some states' liquor laws do NOT make an exception for a parent serving their own children in their home. It's a minority of states, but technically illegal for parents to give their kids any alcohol (and im not talking about buying them a keg or anything) in their own home.

Yeah, it's seriously stupid. My parents would give us a glass of wine with Thanksgiving/Christmas/Easter dinner when I was 12+. No big whoop.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It's because this country was founded and is run by prudes.

Please don't think for a minute that the founding fathers of this country were the uptight religious puritan prudes we have today. In fact, for their time they were very liberal and forward thinking.

Liberal by the current definition doesn't fit either, really. They were very libertarian. Back then it was ok to not have a position on every aspect of life.

Yep, rather sad that "liberal" has been hijacked by socialists in the last 60 years when it once meant libertarian.

However, in their time they were liberal. And in the classical sense, so am I.
 

JulesMaximus

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She's on TV...the producers are just worried about some dolt feeding this to their kid and then getting sued because the kid got drunk.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: Deeko
I'm not commenting on whether or not I think it's "right" for kids to eat something like that.

However, from the TV show's perspective...dude, it's illegal for children to consume alcohol, and the show is covering their ass by reminding you of that. Pretty simple.

No it isn't (everywhere). I do believe in most states, there is an exception for parents and children (not child guests, their own kids) in their home.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: sjwaste
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It's because this country was founded and is run by prudes.

Please don't think for a minute that the founding fathers of this country were the uptight religious puritan prudes we have today. In fact, for their time they were very liberal and forward thinking.

Liberal by the current definition doesn't fit either, really. They were very libertarian. Back then it was ok to not have a position on every aspect of life.

Yep, rather sad that "liberal" has been hijacked by socialists in the last 60 years when it once meant libertarian.

However, in their time they were liberal. And in the classical sense, so am I.

You can include me there too. Hell, republican didn't used to have the connotation that it does now :)
 

CrazyLazy

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Grey Poupon has White Wine in it. I think I will go out and buy a couple dozen jars and get wasted.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
I know this argument commutes to a whole laundry list of things that we absolutely can't harm the children with in the US, but seriously, isn't the prohibitionist attitude a little much?

/weak rant

Very much, too much, yes.

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It's because this country was founded and is run by prudes.

Correct.
 

MaxDepth

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You just admitted to watching a foodtv show and one by Sandra Lee. (Okay, granted she looks like an older version of the cheerleader I dated in high school, who only did it in the butt because she wanted to remain a "virgin.")

Anyway...

Either hand over your ManCard now or go buy liquor for some underage kids.
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Grey Poupon has White Wine in it. I think I will go out and buy a couple dozen jars and get wasted.

Naturally brewed soy sauce can have up to 2% alcohol as well.

Think I'll drink a bottle and try to fly Bubs' concession stand.

"wahOOOOOO!!! hold on the cheat, we're takin this baby TO THE MOOOOOONNNN!!!!!!"
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: MaxDepth
You just admitted to watching a foodtv show and one by Sandra Lee. (Okay, granted she looks like an older version of the cheerleader I dated in high school, who only did it in the butt because she wanted to remain a "virgin.")


Either hand over your ManCard now or go buy liquor for some underage kids.

I think I just got owned.

On days where I work from home, I usually have Food Network on in the background, and I caught the end of this episode as I was making a late lunch/early dinner. Still, ignorance of Sandra Lee is no excuse. Is it mitigated by the fact that I cut a cigar right after the episode ended? No, its not flavored!