Alaskan stratovolcano on the verge of eruption

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alphatarget1

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Maybe Sarah Palin will *actually* have to show leadership skills by sending the Alaskan National Guard to fight against the volcano!
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Maybe Sarah Palin will *actually* have to show leadership skills by sending the Alaskan National Guard to fight against the volcano!

Duh? People will have to be evacuated somehow.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Duh? People will have to be evacuated somehow.
The only people that likely might have to be evacuated are a small number of workers at the Drift River Oil terminal. Otherwise, the volcano is located within Lake Clark National Park and there simply are not any people really living that close. You have the City of Kenai and some other town right across on the other side of Cook Inlet, but the inlet is still a significant distance for the inlet at that point so lava and the like are not a threat in any way for those locations. You might have perhaps one other cabin somewhere in the area near the volcano, but its generally not that hard to get the person in that location evacuated. The geography of the situation means lave flows and the like simply can't be a threat to the actually populated areas with either significant other mountains in the way or the Cook Inlet blocking any path towards areas with a significant number of people around.

Its practically exclusively the ash which could be a real concern here. In general ash is mostly a nuisance, with the one real notable health issue being potentially aggravating things with people with existing breathing issues. The one exception is ash can be a real threat to planes, particularly those with jet engines, but otherwise ash is something that can almost always be dealt with and doesn't actually require evacuation, especially with the amounts likely to be let out here. In general allot of news outlets are heavily overstating the degree of threat actually posed by the volcano, especially with regards to the City of Anchorage which is still a distance away form the volcano.
 

Lemon law

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Aegeon may have a point with "In general allot of news outlets are heavily overstating the degree of threat actually posed by the volcano, especially with regards to the City of Anchorage which is still a distance away form the volcano."

But as I recall, Anchorage is only about about 100 miles away, and in terms of ash fall, how much falls on Anchorage may depend on the direction of the prevailing winds on the day(s) that it erupts. This volcano definitely is not of the mild Hawaiian type, mix in also potential poisonous pyroclastic flows, lathars, or explosively blowing off a good part of the Mountain and we could have huge environmental damage lasting for decades. And with all the economic impacts that come with it. And its a reminder than man kind, despite all its accomplishments, can do nothing to change what is about to happen.

Volcanoes of this type are just totally unpredictable, we can be sure that a lot of magma is moving around now, but for all we know, that movement could even lead to nothing.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Aegeon may have a point with "In general allot of news outlets are heavily overstating the degree of threat actually posed by the volcano, especially with regards to the City of Anchorage which is still a distance away form the volcano."

But as I recall, Anchorage is only about about 100 miles away, and in terms of ash fall, how much falls on Anchorage may depend on the direction of the prevailing winds on the day(s) that it erupts. This volcano definitely is not of the mild Hawaiian type, mix in also potential poisonous pyroclastic flows, lathars, or explosively blowing off a good part of the Mountain and we could have huge environmental damage lasting for decades. And with all the economic impacts that come with it. And its a reminder than man kind, despite all its accomplishments, can do nothing to change what is about to happen.

Volcanoes of this type are just totally unpredictable, we can be sure that a lot of magma is moving around now, but for all we know, that movement could even lead to nothing.

As far as the ash goes, reaching the jet stream could really spread it far over the US and Canada in the upper atmosphere. This could temporarily affect the climate and cause it to drop for a few months. Nothing too serious though, but it is a common effect of eruptions that are ash-heavy.
 

MotF Bane

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
If it errupts it is a big Bu$h/Rove/Cheney/CIA/Jews conspiracy. Complete with their whole criminal racket of thug war profiteers and murderers! :thumbsdown: :|

Why do you hate the Constitution? :(
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
If it errupts it is a big Bu$h/Rove/Cheney/CIA/Jews conspiracy. Complete with their whole criminal racket of thug war profiteers and murderers! :thumbsdown: :|

Why do you hate the Constitution? :(

We should throw them, along with the volcano itself, into gitmo. It would be a massive undertaking, but Caterpillar needs a bailout, no? :p
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: TallBill
Duh? People will have to be evacuated somehow.
The only people that likely might have to be evacuated are a small number of workers at the Drift River Oil terminal. Otherwise, the volcano is located within Lake Clark National Park and there simply are not any people really living that close. You have the City of Kenai and some other town right across on the other side of Cook Inlet, but the inlet is still a significant distance for the inlet at that point so lava and the like are not a threat in any way for those locations. You might have perhaps one other cabin somewhere in the area near the volcano, but its generally not that hard to get the person in that location evacuated. The geography of the situation means lave flows and the like simply can't be a threat to the actually populated areas with either significant other mountains in the way or the Cook Inlet blocking any path towards areas with a significant number of people around.

Its practically exclusively the ash which could be a real concern here. In general ash is mostly a nuisance, with the one real notable health issue being potentially aggravating things with people with existing breathing issues. The one exception is ash can be a real threat to planes, particularly those with jet engines, but otherwise ash is something that can almost always be dealt with and doesn't actually require evacuation, especially with the amounts likely to be let out here. In general allot of news outlets are heavily overstating the degree of threat actually posed by the volcano, especially with regards to the City of Anchorage which is still a distance away form the volcano.

:thumbsup: Good info.
 

Jiggz

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We definitely need to get Al on site for this one and record it vividly! He'll be better off using this for his slide presentation rather than the previous winter storms or worse yet Venus atmosphere! (Exploit! Exploit! and Exploit!!!!)
 

WHAMPOM

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So the biggest problem is getting someone that far out in the wilderness to monitor the volcano??
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
So the biggest problem is getting someone that far out in the wilderness to monitor the volcano??
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No I do not think so, but if we want really want research quality information out, a monitoring grid of deeply embedded Sensors should have been in place years ago.

As it is, and regardless how this event plays out, we are not likely going to learn that much of value in terms of advancing volcano prediction science.
 

wwswimming

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
It's all cause of teh globul warming! The volcanoes are angry...

actually, one of the proposed techno-fixes for global warming is to put
lots of reflective material in the air. i'm pretty sure these proposals often
use volcano eruptions as an example of the techno-fix they're proposing.
 

Farang

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oh noes, if this loses its top you'll no longer be able to see Russia.. Sarah Palin is going to lose all of her foreign policy experience
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: Farang
oh noes, if this loses its top you'll no longer be able to see Russia.. Sarah Palin is going to lose all of her foreign policy experience

Considering the prevailing winds, it would be a smoke screen against Russia. The Alaskans can hide from their pending invasion under a cloud of volcanic ash. :D
 

mrSHEiK124

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: Farang
oh noes, if this loses its top you'll no longer be able to see Russia.. Sarah Palin is going to lose all of her foreign policy experience

Considering the prevailing winds, it would be a smoke screen against Russia. The Alaskans can hide from their pending invasion under a cloud of volcanic ash. :D

What if they can harness it through some kind of ancient Inuit technology and use it for a preemptive strike against the Ruskies?! :mindfuck;
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Farang
oh noes, if this loses its top you'll no longer be able to see Russia.. Sarah Palin is going to lose all of her foreign policy experience
Fortunately, Bristol has experience with the aftermath of unexpected eruptions.


 

Orsorum

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I'm flying into Anchorage on Wednesday, here's hoping no eruptions until after I land. :)
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
If it errupts it is a big Bu$h/Rove/Cheney/CIA/Jews conspiracy. Complete with their whole criminal racket of thug war profiteers and murderers! :thumbsdown: :|

brb going to my secret meeting, we will discuss this.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Can we sacrifice Sarah Palin to the volcano? Pretty please?
IIRC, you sacrifice virgins to volcanoes. Another position for which Governor Palin is unqualified.

Originally posted by: shrumpage
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At the most it might disrupt airplanes with a light dusting of ash.
Disruption of inter-continental air traffic. Climactic effects possible, depending on how much sulfur gets belched into the upper atmosphere.

Originally posted by: dawp
phhhht! That's just small potatos
dawp: the anti-Quayle.