Alaska ethic probe finds against Palin.

[Genx87]

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No, I don't see how you can put it that way, right or wrong, its the State law in Alaska as a way to resolve public ethics concerns. And like any law, it can be used to reduce corruption or as a way to harass.

If you think the ethics complains against Palin are mere political harassment and thus baseless, the burden of proof is on you to show its mere harassment.

In short you can't just say its only harassment that motivated these multiple independent set of complaints against Palin and expect to use that as a logical proof that you are right without showing any evidence.

The other thing that makes its harder for you is the fact the some of these complaints pre-dated McCain picking Palin for VP.

The fact none of these has resulted in shit is all the proof we need.

 

[CallMeJoe]

From your own linked story:

Petumenos, however, found that Palin — the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee — acted in good faith and relied on a team of attorneys to make sure the fund was lawful.

Also, as previously noted, the fund owes $400,000 to the donors, not to the State of Alaska.

Reading comprehension finding is upheld.

 

[Fern]

I don't see how the use of the word "official" should be a problem in the 1st place. I don't see how it means that Palin endorsed it as governor.

If the article lanyap quoted is correct, then that would be 'real story' in all this BS.

Fern

 

[PokerGuy]

I don't see how the use of the word "official" should be a problem in the 1st place. i don't see how it means that Palin endorsement it as governor.

If the article lanyap quoted is correct, then that would be 'real story' in all this BS.

Fern

The real story here is that yet another in a loooooooooong string of slurs and attempts to smear her has failed, and lefties are desperately trying to paint it as a bad thing for her.

 

[PJABBER]

I don't see how the use of the word "official" should be a problem in the 1st place. i don't see how it means that Palin endorsement it as governor.

If the article lanyap quoted is correct, then that would be 'real story' in all this BS.

Fern

I am killing some time today waiting for my friends to drop by for a bike ride. Though I hate wading through legal findings, I did read the entire finding and consent decree in this case.

Findings of Independent Counsel, Consent Decree and Settlement Agreement

Like most of these, you have to get beyond the first page and into the meat of the discussion. Alaskan ethics law is convoluted and requires that someone have an understanding of the specifics AND the common interpretations of those specifics.

The conclusion is that while the forming Trust document could be considered flawed and that the Trustee, having served on several State boards, was likely to be inappropriate, there was no intent to violate the law and, in fact, there was substantial intent to avoid violating both the intent and the detail of the law. Moreover, there was no actual damage done as no funds received prior to or after Palin's resignation were ever used.

The law and the agreement in these circumstances permits remedy and repayment of donated funds accomplishes that.

As seems to be the pattern with these political attacks, Palin is not found with any fault, is no jeopardy as a result and life goes on.

Except for those kooks and publicity hounds who look forward to continuing a cycle of political and nuisance attacks against a great American and those who feed off such things. ()

 

[Moonbeam]

When I look at Sarah Palin is see a shallow bimbo and superficial floozy who has a tremendous charismatic attraction for shallow low class people. In shout she is very attractive to a large percentage of Americans who see themselves in her, a voice for the vengefully stupid. She stands for little other than a firebrand against the system. She herself brings nothing to the table but venom.

The only thing anybody should be interested in Palin about is where she stands on real issues. We see the makeup. Where is the meat and potatoes.

 

[Lanyap]

I am glad GenX87 pointed out, "Right, how many complaints did Kim Chatman bring by herself? The ethics procedure in Alaska is ridiculous. It allows anybody who can bother filling out the paper work to swamp political opponents and drain them of resources."

If we research the history of Sarah Palin, she used the same ethic proceidures against some of her political opponents to great effect, and I should point out some of the political opponents she brought down were very corrupt. But the same sword cuts both ways, and now it has cut Palin. No matter how we cut it, Palin used very questionable judgment to politically and personally advance herself, so we can't criticize those who used the same tactics Palin already used.

Nor, as far as I can see, is the Alaska ethics panel done ruling on all Palin related issues.

And we can also, if a private citizen uses the Alaska ethics law to make totally ridiculous charges, it not expensive at all to show they are groundless.

How many of the ethics complaints stuck to Palin compared to how many of her complaints stuck to others? Look that one up and let us know. Also, the complaints Palin initiated were politician on politician. Most if not all of the complaints against Palin were from private citizens. It doesn't matter where the complaint came from, a person still needs attorney services so the expense should be the same.

 

[nonlnear]

When I look at Sarah Palin is see a shallow bimbo and superficial floozy who has a tremendous charismatic attraction for shallow low class people. In shout she is very attractive to a large percentage of Americans who see themselves in her, a voice for the vengefully stupid. She stands for little other than a firebrand against the system. She herself brings nothing to the table but venom.

What's wrong with you today? This is far less entertaining than your usual style. It is direct, reasonable, concise, and completely devoid of mystical insinuations and vague rhetorical questions.

The only thing anybody should be interested in Palin about is where she stands on real issues. We see the makeup. Where is the meat and potatoes.

Now you're slipping. You just finished answering why nobody (either a fan of Palin's or a detractor) would ever be interested in knowing the "meat and potatoes" of Palin's politics. There is none. Both her fans and her detractors know this, and they love or hate her for it respectively.

 

[PJABBER]

She stands for little other than a firebrand against the system. She herself brings nothing to the table but venom.

I have never met her, but in all the interviews and in the course of all of the attacks that have been made against her, despite all of the vitriol, such as yours above, that she has had forced upon her and her family, she has never come across as anything but pleasant and reasonable.

Considering the absolutely vicious attacks that have been made against her and her family, as though political intent justifies that level of destructive intent, I am quite impressed at her calmness and continuing good nature.

We have too many examples of bad behaviour under pressure, even more of meanness and elitism as the dominant traits of politicians and their sycophants. It is refreshing to see someone who is a genuinely nice person bat away the gadflies and continue to be Sarah from Wasilla, rather than Moonie from the Tenderloin. :awe:

 

[werepossum]

What's wrong with you today? This is far less entertaining than your usual style. It is direct, reasonable, concise, and completely devoid of mystical insinuations and vague rhetorical questions.

Now you're slipping. You just finished answering why nobody (either a fan of Palin's or a detractor) would ever be interested in knowing the "meat and potatoes" of Palin's politics. There is none. Both her fans and her detractors know this, and they love or hate her for it respectively.

It's the twenty-fifth. Sometimes the meds run out before the end of the month.

 

[Lanyap]

It's the twenty-fifth. Sometimes the meds run out before the end of the month.

And he has a secret crush on Palin.

 

[werepossum]

And he has a secret crush on Palin.

Well - she IS hot. Unfortunately for Moonie she is married to a man who could probably whip everyone in here at once (well, with the exception of the military men) so Magic 8-Ball says signs point to no success.

 

[Moonbeam]

nonlnear: What's wrong with you today? This is far less entertaining than your usual style. It is direct, reasonable, concise, and completely devoid of mystical insinuations and vague rhetorical questions.

M: Mystics are quite reasonable when dealing with ordinary things. It's when we see what is invisible to others that we become mystical.

n: Now you're slipping. You just finished answering why nobody (either a fan of Palin's or a detractor) would ever be interested in knowing the "meat and potatoes" of Palin's politics. There is none.

M: Yes I know. I am just saying that fans and detractors and others should see there is nothing there. I know most won't because they don't want to.

Both her fans and her detractors know this, and they love or hate her for it respectively.

Well, I am not among either party. She is empty, in my opinion. I am not contemptuous of her for that, as some seem to think.

 

[BoberFett]

When I look at Sarah Palin is see a shallow bimbo and superficial floozy who has a tremendous charismatic attraction for shallow low class people.

Is that why Democrats talk about her so often?

 

[Moonbeam]

PJABBER: I have never met her, but in all the interviews and in the course of all of the attacks that have been made against her, despite all of the vitriol, such as yours above, that she has had forced upon her and her family, she has never come across as anything but pleasant and reasonable.

M: There was no vitriol above, just factual observation. You supply the vitriol yourself.

PJ: Considering the absolutely vicious attacks that have been made against her and her family, as though political intent justifies that level of destructive intent, I am quite impressed at her calmness and continuing good nature.

M: I am the same. It is very easy for us shallow meat-heads. We don't really recognize insults for what they are. I, for example, know that it is you who are nuts, not me.

PJ: We have too many examples of bad behavior under pressure, even more of meanness and elitism as the dominant traits of politicians and their sycophants. It is refreshing to see someone who is a genuinely nice person bat away the gadflies and continue to be Sarah from Wasilla, rather than Moonie from the Tenderloin. :awe:

M: It is fun to watch toads hibernate too. But a toad wouldn't make a good President. It is politically too shallow to deal with important issues.

I am not a Palin fan or an enemy. She is empty to me. I have nothing to say about her except she is shallow on most everything that is important to me.

I find you extremely shallow too, for all your intellect and linguistic ability. And I am also sure you are too shallow to care.

 

[spittledip]

I have never met her, but in all the interviews and in the course of all of the attacks that have been made against her, despite all of the vitriol, such as yours above, that she has had forced upon her and her family, she has never come across as anything but pleasant and reasonable.

Considering the absolutely vicious attacks that have been made against her and her family, as though political intent justifies that level of destructive intent, I am quite impressed at her calmness and continuing good nature.

We have too many examples of bad behaviour under pressure, even more of meanness and elitism as the dominant traits of politicians and their sycophants. It is refreshing to see someone who is a genuinely nice person bat away the gadflies and continue to be Sarah from Wasilla, rather than Moonie from the Tenderloin. :awe:

That is odd that you think of her like that. I remember McCain and Obama's campaign, which was pretty clean, with the exception of Palin who mostly just slung mud at Obama for inconsequential things. Seemed to get people pretty riled up though. That is where all that Teaparty craziness came from.

 

[Moonbeam]

Is that why Democrats talk about her so often?

I post in almost every Palin thread that they are a waste of time and that the left who go crazy about her are fools. She stands for nothing and doesn't interest me in the slightest. I have said many times that because the left goes nuts when there's news of her, it only furthers her otherwise complete lack of noteworthiness. She is a nobody who appeals to the mentally ill because she makes folk on the left idiots. They are idiots.

When you see an empty bag like Palin firing up the right and in line to be President of the United States, and you see what a total disaster electing her would be, you naturally go crazy if you lack personal insight.

But she is exactly what the right worships and for exactly that reason. They would gladly sell the country down the tubes to irritate liberals.

I, however could care less if she is elected. I believe in democracy and the right of imbeciles to vote. She won't destroy the country. The people around her, if elected, wouldn't let her. We would just waste 4 years on nothing.

 

[Lemon law]

The other thing to point out is that just because the Alaska ethics panel has given a mixed result on one given issue is no reason to assume the Alaska ethics panel does not have other outstanding Saran Palin allegations to deal with?

 

[Lemon law]

Yah Horray all you Palin fans, Sarah lets no grass grow under her feet or sulks in any set backs, as soon as Alaska declared her old fund raising site illegitimate, she hauls off and opens a new one.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews...jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3JlbGF0ZWQ-

I for one will not save all my pennies nickels and dimes, so I can save Sarah's butt.

But for you that are so inspired, you too can once again donate to Sarah Palin so she can be the lone needed voice to save American politics and the American way.

 

[nageov3t]

Yah Horray all you Palin fans, Sarah lets no grass grow under her feet or sulks in any set backs, as soon as Alaska declared her old fund raising site illegitimate, she hauls off and opens a new one.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews...jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3JlbGF0ZWQ-

I for one will not save all my pennies nickels and dimes, so I can save Sarah's butt.

But for you that are so inspired, you too can once again donate to Sarah Palin so she can be the lone needed voice to save American politics and the American way.

taking money from fools is a worthy enterprise.

I assume you've already donated?

 

[woolfe9999]

I'm with those who wish there was something to this, but sadly, it isn't a big story. In theory, Palin might have to pay $390,000 to the attorney who now has to cough up the funds, but then, as someone said, that's about 4 speeches, or half of 1 reality TV episode, for her.

- wolf

 

[Lanyap]

The other thing to point out is that just because the Alaska ethics panel has given a mixed result on one given issue is no reason to assume the Alaska ethics panel does not have other outstanding Saran Palin allegations to deal with?

Sarah Palin. Bring It On!

 

[Lanyap]

Yah Horray all you Palin fans, Sarah lets no grass grow under her feet or sulks in any set backs, as soon as Alaska declared her old fund raising site illegitimate, she hauls off and opens a new one.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews...jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3JlbGF0ZWQ-

I for one will not save all my pennies nickels and dimes, so I can save Sarah's butt.

But for you that are so inspired, you too can once again donate to Sarah Palin so she can be the lone needed voice to save American politics and the American way.

I suspect that those original donors who are receiving their money back will just send it to the new fund.

 

[PJABBER]

When you see an empty bag like Palin firing up the right and in line to be President of the United States, and you see what a total disaster electing her would be, you naturally go crazy if you lack personal insight.

The first qualification for being successful in politics is that you have to fire up a base. Palin obviously does that like few others.

In idle curiosity, is there anyone on the national scene that you think should be President, should we be smart enough to elect them?

 

[Moonbeam]

The first qualification for being successful in politics is that you have to fire up a base. Palin obviously does that like few others.

In idle curiosity, is there anyone on the national scene that you think should be President, should we be smart enough to elect them?

My Dear Sir, we see things quite differently, it would seem:

For example, let's take your notion that the first qualification for being successful in politics is having a fired up base and look at what to me are the obvious implications.

1. One can appeal to the dominant concealed prejudices of the greatest number of people, xenophobia, racism, feelings of helplessness etc, and fan those kinds of flames. We see it all over the world, the manipulation of the worst aspects of human nature for personal political gain. A harmless undertaking, you understand. Just look at Hitler.

2. Or one can jump to the front of the manifestation of such madness as Palin did.

In either case, we wind up with a person who can win elections on the sickest part of human nature, whipped up insanity of one kind or another.

So while you may need a popular cause to be elected, if that cause is insanity getting elected isn't a good thing.

In fact, the character of a human being is defined by his goal, so have as your goal something that makes you a man. I like the Buddhist prayer, 'I vow to save all sentient beings" myself. And since my goal was never to become somebody famous or powerful, I couldn't have a goal to stir up as much human shit as I can to get elected to anything. And nobody would ever follow fools like Mandela, Gandhi, or Jesus.

So the bottom line, I guess, is that while it is easy to suck up the bottom of the cesspool for the best of the shit, it isn't easy to run for election and appeal to our better nature. Palin is successful because she is a bottom feeder and she is a bottom feeder because it brings success. She is brain dead to what that would mean for our country if an empty bag were to be elected. But we saw the results in Bush.

You conservatives appeal to scum because, while you talk of values, you really have none. You are the bottom feeders of our society and your vitriol and self hate brings us all down.

As far as who would I think should be Pres. I have no idea and little real interest. We know from your point that you need a fired up base to win. Hehe, calmness and reason fire up few it would seem.

No, there is only one enemy I have in all this great world and he is me. Only if I can see deep enough into my own self hate will I ever really be free. There are no answers out in the world, and not one thing out there to get fired up about. That is all the delusion of the sick ego in me.