Alaska ethic probe finds against Palin.

cubby1223

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STOP THE PRESSES!!!

This is major important shocking news of utter corruption!!!!!!! A website had the word "official" when it should not have been there!!!

Thank you Lemon Law for bringing to our attention this horrible action of a public official who deserves to be tarred and feathered over this incident ;)
 

Double Trouble

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It appears you might have left out a little bitty detail, an innocent oversight I'm sure:
Petumenos, however, found that Palin — the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee — acted in good faith and relied on a team of attorneys to make sure the fund was lawful.

Palin is an idiot and I hope she doesn't run for president, but there's obviously no story here, just Palin bashing.
 

DietDrThunder

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It appears you might have left out a little bitty detail, an innocent oversight I'm sure:

Palin is an idiot and I hope she doesn't run for president, but there's obviously no story here, just Palin bashing.

I agree. I'm a Republican and I wish someone would find something on Palin so she would shut up and go away. All she is is a political hack opportunist who's using her celebrity status for her own gain. What is sad is Governor Good Hair Perry of Texas wants to run on the Republican ticket as Vice President along side Palin (they make a good dumb ass pair). I can't stand him any more than Palin, and I'm actually considering voting for the Democratic candidate Bill White just to get Perry out of office (The Texas Governor has little real power, most of the political power is with the Lieutenant Governor).
 

LTC8K6

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The ethics probe actually found for Palin, since she acted in good faith.
 

Lanyap

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So let me get this straight, Palin's friends and supporters created the Alaska Fund Trust. Palin relied on a team of attorneys to make sure the fund was lawful. Somebody stuck the word "official" on the website which was later determined to wrongly imply Palin's endorsement as governor. Sounds like they ruled against the fund and not Palin. I guess her friends and supporters can start a new fund now and they don't have to worry about it being official. BFD
 

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So let me get this straight, Palin's friends and supporters created the Alaska Fund Trust. Palin relied on a team of attorneys to make sure the fund was lawful. Somebody stuck the word "official" on the website which was later determined to wrongly imply Palin's endorsement as governor. Sounds like they ruled against the fund and not Palin. I guess her friends and supporters can start a new fund now and they don't have to worry about it being official. BFD
That's exactly what they have done, although I can't imagine who's going to contribute. And Palin owes the state of Alaska nothing; the fund has to refund the money to the contributors. Since Palin took no money from it (the purpose of the ethics complaint being to destroy her by ensuring she took no money from it) the bulk of the money is still there; only administrative and legal fees have been paid out.
 

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I WISH the OP were correct, as I think Palin's notoriety is damaging to the prospect of real change in the GOP, and wish there were something which could remove her from the political spotlight. Alas this ruling is not at all what Lemon Law described it to be.

Lemon Law you wouldn't happen to be a self-parodying sock puppet for Patranus, would you? :D
 

PokerGuy

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The ethics probe clears Palin, it didn't "find against" her in any way. Talk about a blatant troll thread.
 

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Palin's friends and supporters created the Alaska Fund Trust in April 2009, limiting donations to $150 per person. The ethics complaint was filed soon after by Eagle River resident Kim Chatman, who alleged Palin was misusing her official position and accepting improper gifts.

So Palin acted unethical in something that someone else did.

Ok......
 

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LL, why don't you just fix the title and your OP and say that Palin was cleared of the final charges made against her and that all the political efforts made to destroy her and her family have come to naught? THAT is the real take away from this story.
 

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In related a related story, P&N reading comprehension probe finds against Lemon law...
 

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Found this article while googling. This is getting a little more interesting.

Get this. According to the brilliant minds in Alaska, the legal defense fund set up for Sarah Palin does not comply with Alaska ethics law. You may or may not be surprised that Sarah Palin's legal defense fund is not the first legal defense fund established for a public official. Bill and Hillary Clinton had one. John Kerry had one. Ted Stevens and Don Young have them. And to compound matters, the lawyers who drafted Sarah Palin's legal defense fund also drafted many of those, including Newt Gingrich's and the Clintons. Why are we not surprised that Sarah Palin's identical legal defense fund is thrown out but everyone else's is held up as a model of legality? Isn't this a foregone conclusion when Obama's personal lawyers are put in charge of drafting the first report against Obama's past and potential future opponent? "That is an outrageous lie" you say, there is no way anyone would hire Obama's personal lawyers to write up a report about Sarah Palin? Sorry, it is in fact the sorry truth. And an outrageous public deception and fraud. The Alaska Personnel Board has cleared up all doubt--it is incompetent. When an “ethics board” hires the political opponent to draft a report, that board is neither ethical nor competent.

http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2010/06/meet-new-bosssame-as-old-boss-palin_24.html
 

Lemon law

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Excuse me, first Palin used very poor judgment as a governor that caused various citizen groups in Alaska to bring lawsuits against her for abusing her powers as Governor, thus creating a need for Palin to need expensive lawyers to answer those charges, and because Palin hired incompetent lawyers who wrongly advised her, it somehow makes Palin innocent of all charges and transfers all blame to her attorney's?

And some of you think I have a lack of reading comprehension?

Seems like Palin got dope slapped by the ethic committee to me, but if it makes some of you feel better, she probably will not get criminally charged for abusing her powers as a State governor. Most governors have the judgment to not pull the stunts Palin tried in the first place.
 

Genx87

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Excuse me, first Palin used very poor judgment as a governor that caused various citizen groups in Alaska to bring lawsuits against her for abusing her powers as Governor, thus creating a need for Palin to need expensive lawyers to answer those charges, and because Palin hired incompetent lawyers who wrongly advised her, it somehow makes Palin innocent of all charges and transfers all blame to her attorney's?

And some of you think I have a lack of reading comprehension?

Seems like Palin got dope slapped by the ethic committee to me, but if it makes some of you feel better, she probably will not get criminally charged for abusing her powers as a State governor. Most governors have the judgment to not pull the stunts Palin tried in the first place.

Right, how many complaints did Kim Chatman bring by herself? The ethics procedure in Alaska is ridiculous. It allows anybody who can bother filling out the paper work to swamp political opponents and drain them of resources.
 

Lemon law

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I am glad GenX87 pointed out, "Right, how many complaints did Kim Chatman bring by herself? The ethics procedure in Alaska is ridiculous. It allows anybody who can bother filling out the paper work to swamp political opponents and drain them of resources."

If we research the history of Sarah Palin, she used the same ethic proceidures against some of her political opponents to great effect, and I should point out some of the political opponents she brought down were very corrupt. But the same sword cuts both ways, and now it has cut Palin. No matter how we cut it, Palin used very questionable judgment to politically and personally advance herself, so we can't criticize those who used the same tactics Palin already used.

Nor, as far as I can see, is the Alaska ethics panel done ruling on all Palin related issues.

And we can also, if a private citizen uses the Alaska ethics law to make totally ridiculous charges, it not expensive at all to show they are groundless.
 
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Genx87

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I am glad GenX87 pointed out, "Right, how many complaints did Kim Chatman bring by herself? The ethics procedure in Alaska is ridiculous. It allows anybody who can bother filling out the paper work to swamp political opponents and drain them of resources."

If we research the history of Sarah Palin, she used the same ethic proceidures against some of her political opponents to great effect, and I should point out some of the political opponents she brought down were very corrupt. But the same sword cuts both ways, and now it has cut Palin. No matter how we cut it, Palin used very questionable judgment to politically and personally advance herself, so we can't criticize those who used the same tactics Palin already used.

Nor, as far as I can see, is the Alaska ethics panel done ruling on all Palin related issues.

So two wrongs make a right?
 

Lemon law

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So two wrongs make a right?
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No, I don't see how you can put it that way, right or wrong, its the State law in Alaska as a way to resolve public ethics concerns. And like any law, it can be used to reduce corruption or as a way to harass.

If you think the ethics complains against Palin are mere political harassment and thus baseless, the burden of proof is on you to show its mere harassment.

In short you can't just say its only harassment that motivated these multiple independent set of complaints against Palin and expect to use that as a logical proof that you are right without showing any evidence.

The other thing that makes its harder for you is the fact the some of these complaints pre-dated McCain picking Palin for VP.
 

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Excuse me, first Palin used very poor judgment as a governor that caused various citizen groups in Alaska to bring lawsuits against her for abusing her powers as Governor, thus creating a need for Palin to need expensive lawyers to answer those charges,

The vast majority of these ethics complaints were brought by a couple of people.

Kim Chatman, the one bringing what we would hope is this final complaint and a signed party to others, is married to a minority and was pissed off that Palin didn't publicly recognize "Juneteenth" during some prior year when she was Governor. I did not know what Juneteenth was and had to look it up. It is a celebration of the end of slavery. I thought that was Kwaanza, but it appears I was wrong. I hope Kim Chatman does not sue me or file spurious presumption of guilt ethics complaints against me just because I don't care to see yet another holiday on the calendar. It is celebrated for a day, a week or a month! Yay! More vacation days!

How about Andree McLeod - the self-described community activist (where have I heard those words before?) and one-time Palin ally (at least in bringing down another Alaska politician who actually was found to be corrupt) who is responsible for six of the 20 or so ethics complaints filed against Palin? The "falafal lady," generally held to be somewhat of a loony-tune, but oh-so-useful in being encouraged by Democrat lawyers to file away on a wide variety of spurious claims that have all been found without any basis in fact or law, had a personal rift with Palin in 2006, when Palin became Governor and McLeod was denied a job with the administration. Her modus operandi, in violation of Alaska State law, was to file these supposed to be kept confidential ethics complaints and then immediately leak them to the press for her own personal moments in the spotlight. To give you an idea of where this solidly dense citizen's brain tumbles, she was vehement in filing official complaints that female state employees were wearing too tight clothing and were emphasizing the size of their breasts. It was a generic complaint, not naming Palin at all, but could there have been some personal jealousy of Palin there as well? :awe:

Among the expensive nuisance suits that LL believes were indicative of Palin's wide spread malfeasance and abuse of office was that Palin wore a jacket with the logo of her husband's Iron Dog sled race sponsor. That she was bribed with chocolates and a kid's hockey stick at a dinner speech she gave. That she held a fish in a photo of the state fishing competition pamphlet. That she was interviewed by a national press reporter in her state office. That she responded to reporters' questions in the lobby of her office.

All very serious, very damaging accusations if you happen to be a left wing Democrat loon or a political operative. Of course, all were dismissed except by the loons who never could understand how crazy the presented cases were and much preferred to go with the spin. As LL does here.

Of course, defending against even spurious and unfounded claims costs money. Palin may have faced half a million in personal costs, but she was known and loved and many wanted to contribute to her defense. But she was not the only victim. Her staff, too, were named parties and they faced personal bankruptcy at the hands of these loons.

and because Palin hired incompetent lawyers who wrongly advised her, it somehow makes Palin innocent of all charges and transfers all blame to her attorney's?
Having ONE WORD, "official," on a web site (the actual name of the legal defense trust did not have that word) is not the attorneys fault unless you believe that every aspect of your life and activities and the activities of your supporters needs to be vetted by the top attorneys in the country. I would blame the web designer that put in an extra word there. Oh yeah, I'm talking to you, you Linux lovin', cascading sheet stylin', Flashy, C+++++++ political hacks, you know who you are! But, oh yeah, it's Sarah, baby, keep paying those attorneys for protection from the loons, hon. 2012 is your year to party like it's 1999!

Ahem!

The use of the word "official" was to distinguish it as Palin's only legally vetted legal defense fund amidst dozens of others that sprung up without her approval or knowledge. The complaint was that it was deliberately meant to imply it was a State fund deriving from her office. Of course, nothing else in the site gave any indication it was a government trust, but, hey, that is why there was no finding of intended fault. Despite LL's insistence that there is a smokin' gun. Or at least maybe, pretty please, just this one time, that there is a fire, for all the smoke, even if it turns out that the smoke itself is nothing but hot air.

And some of you think I have a lack of reading comprehension?
I do believe so.

Seems like Palin got dope slapped by the ethic committee to me, but if it makes some of you feel better, she probably will not get criminally charged for abusing her powers as a State governor. Most governors have the judgment to not pull the stunts Palin tried in the first place.
Hey, if Palin cannot be imprisoned for eating a chocolate covered cherry at a speech, then why should Obama and Blago not get a pass for trying to suborn and corrupt the offices of the Governor of Illinois, the U.S. Senate and the Presidency of the United States? :awe:
 
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