Alan Wake - PC "up in the air"??!

[EvilComputer92]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Dumac
Looks like another game I won't be getting...

PC gaming sucks.

This is relevant in too many threads these days.

Go buy a 360 please.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Dumac
Looks like another game I won't be getting...

PC gaming sucks.

This is relevant in too many threads these days.

Go buy a 360 please.

I have one, but I was counting on a PC release.

I'm so disappointed, I'll just pass the game over.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: frythecpuofbender
UPDATE:
A bit of bad news for those out there who are looking to play Alan Wake on the PC. Remedy recently confirmed that Alan Wake is currently in development for Xbox 360 only and that plans for a PC version are now entirely up to their publisher, Microsoft.

?Thank you for your continued interest in Alan Wake. It is accurate that we are currently working exclusively on the Xbox360 version of Alan Wake. PC plans are currently open, and therefore it?s safe to say that at least a simultaneous launch with the Xbox version will not happen at this late stage. Remedy has a deep heritage in PC gaming and would love to see a PC version available to its PC followers, ultimately however this decision lies with our publisher.?

Here's the link, of MS stabbing PC gamers in the back again. http://www.brightfalls.net/news/640/

 

[GullyFoyle]

Originally posted by: frythecpuofbender
Microsoft is slowly killing itself. If there is no reason to get a big desktop, there is no reason to buy the next shiny new Windows bloatware.
Just use a console and a netbook with Chrome OS and Microsoft is out-of-the-picture.
I wonder if this is a typical case of a big company acting schizophrenic where one arm does the opposite of another department.

It is Windows that is threatened with extinction, not Microsoft. By diversifying with the Xbox, they are assuring their continued existance and profitability, come what may.

If Windows is no longer seen as a viable gaming platform, and the Xbox is seen as the leading gaming platform, that just means more gamers will buy XBoxes.

 

[ShawnD1]

Is it weird that I've never even heard of this game? It's not advertised, it's not a sequel, and wikipedia says it was announced 4 years ago.

If Windows is no longer seen as a viable gaming platform, and the Xbox is seen as the leading gaming platform, that just means more gamers will buy XBoxes.

How does that help Microsoft? They still have yet to make even $1 on that console. The original Xbox was like that too.

Stuff like this just blows my mind. Why would games like Halo 3 be Xbox exclusive if shifting the market from Windows to Xbox doesn't make any money? All that does is shift the market away from their existing monopoly. You'd think they would want to maintain that monopoly since it has made Bill Gates one of the richest men in the world whereas the Xbox has done nothing but lose money year after year for the past 8 years.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: frythecpuofbender
M$

i stopped reading at that point

at what age?


too bad

Yeah, I stopped reading too. You don't like my opinion?

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Raider1284

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

I can't believe you are seriously suggesting Windows will suffer if PC gaming dies or even that Windows owes its success to gamers it's preposterous.

The only way Windows is ever going to start losing marketshare (it already has a little bit) in a serious manner is when Apple releases OSX to be used on any x86 machine, it probably never will (since that's the main advantage of buying Apple hardware) but at least it's a little more probable than PC gaming dying :roll:

It will.

:shocked:

I have no words.

I do. You are being incredibly naive or oblivious if you think linux is even close to being as usuable and user-friendly as Windows or the mac OS. Linux is strictly for computer gurus and users that enjoy messing around with their OS. Speaking as the average joe computer user this is why linux fails. If I plug something into Linux I want it to automount and at least make it usuable using a generic driver 90%+ of the time. If you plug in a new device, hard drive, cd rom drive, sound card, etc. It should be a few clicks at the most to get it working. I shouldnt have to scour the web for driver packages and manually have to install it through the terminal! Key word here being "clicks", the average user will never ever want to go into a terminal to install something. If the terminal is needed to install a piece of hardware or software then it is a failure in most people's eyes, and this will NEVER change.

And most importanly if I download an application I want it to ACTUALLY INSTALL when I run the installer, not fail miserably whining about dependencies and packages and other garbage. If the physical installer cannot install the software then it is a complete failure, and therefore worthless for the entire computer market minus the enthiasuits that enjoy fixing a broken installer. Whats the point of an installer if it cant even do what its been made to do?

IDK, for Ubuntu I didn't have to install any drivers at all. Same thing for Fedora and Centos. Maybe i got lucky?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: frythecpuofbender
M$

i stopped reading at that point

at what age?


too bad

Yeah, I stopped reading too. You don't like my opinion?

Does it make any difference?
- if you stopped reading, how can you reply appropriately ?

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: spittledip


IDK, for Ubuntu I didn't have to install any drivers at all. Same thing for Fedora and Centos. Maybe i got lucky?

Linux /can/ work flawlessly sometimes and be a totally great experience. On the other hand, when it fails, many times it's epic, and you spend days scouring the web trying to find a solution to your problem. I've had both experiences, and while I use Linux on 60% of my machines, I don't think it's ready for general consumption, except for some very specific users, and uses.

 

[Wreckage]

So first they steal Halo, then Gears of War now they are going to gank Alan Wake? I'm starting to think the RRoD is merely a curse cast upon the 360 by PC Gamers.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So first they steal Halo, then Gears of War now they are going to gank Alan Wake? I'm starting to think the RRoD is merely a curse cast upon the 360 by PC Gamers.

Or a practical joke taken way too far by Xbox designers.
Hey let's make a great game system with all these exclusives and excellent multiplayer, but we'll screw with people by remotely disabling random consoles through Xbox Live!

As tinfoil as it is, I can't help but think there's some truth to it. Xbox 360 has been out for almost 4 years now and they still haven't fixed the hardware even though it's as simple as gluing or taping pennies to the ram chips. Xbox penny fix. There's no way a professional engineer could make a mistake like that and just forget to put any cooling on the ram chips. What did they think those huge heatsinks on PC video cards were for? Decoration?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
There's no way a professional engineer could make a mistake like that and just forget to put any cooling on the ram chips. What did they think those huge heatsinks on PC video cards were for? Decoration?

I would not blame the engineers. As for pennies, in many cases involving hardware design it's the penny pinching that causes many of the problems.

Although to continue the analogy, I think MS was penny wise and pound foolish. I know they wanted to save as much as possible on these consoles (they all take a loss on them for awhile), but all these replacements and bad press have to be costing millions.

Not that I wasted one dime on any of them. I just want my PC games. :evil:

 

[ubercaffeinated]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
If PC gaming ever does die (which it won't thanks to the companies that make their money off of it), bye bye Microsoft.

I'm pretty sure most of Microsoft's Windows sales don't come from gamers so they'll be fine as well.

No, I'm talking about nvidia, amd, intel, companies that make: mobos, cases, psu's, ram, cpu coolers, etc. Not many people would buy all those companies' products anymore if PC gaming died. Intel would basically produce very few Extreme products, video cards wouldn't exist except for the professional market. All PSU's would be made at <400w and would be made of cheap components. Do you see what I'm saying? These companies would cease to exist if PC gaming died.

those parts would still go into apple computers and consoles. as the demand shifts, the market will shift with it. consumers will still be happy in the end.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: makoto00
those parts would still go into apple computers and consoles. as the demand shifts, the market will shift with it. consumers will still be happy in the end.

His point is that gamers are the only people who buy high end parts. I've never once seen an Intel i7 in a store like Best Buy, yet lots of people on this forum own one. OEM computers like Apple or Dell use low end video cards like the GeForce 9400, and game consoles use GeForce 7800 and Radeon 1800 video cards. Without Windows games, who is going to buy the GeForce 8800, 9800, GTS 280, Radeon 48xx, or any other high end video card? Who is going to buy the Phenom II or i7?

Even right now, most of the computers I see at Best Buy either use Intel dual core processors from the 5 and 7 series or AMD's old phenoms. You want a Q9550? Sorry but they don't sell those. You want a Phenom II? Sorry. i7? Nope. Will they even carry the i5 when it comes out?

 

[tdawg]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: makoto00
those parts would still go into apple computers and consoles. as the demand shifts, the market will shift with it. consumers will still be happy in the end.

His point is that gamers are the only people who buy high end parts. I've never once seen an Intel i7 in a store like Best Buy, yet lots of people on this forum own one. OEM computers like Apple or Dell use low end video cards like the GeForce 9400, and game consoles use GeForce 7800 and Radeon 1800 video cards. Without Windows games, who is going to buy the GeForce 8800, 9800, GTS 280, Radeon 48xx, or any other high end video card? Who is going to buy the Phenom II or i7?

Even right now, most of the computers I see at Best Buy either use Intel dual core processors from the 5 and 7 series or AMD's old phenoms. You want a Q9550? Sorry but they don't sell those. You want a Phenom II? Sorry. i7? Nope. Will they even carry the i5 when it comes out?

I think both AMD and Nvidia would be fine not to have to maintain high end parts in significant volumes, since a large chunk of their total sales volume comes from the consumer realm, not the high end gamer. So they stop selling their Halo parts in any measurable numbers; they'll still have the low to mid-range priced pieces selling in droves.

The number of people here in the PC gaming forum and the overall "enthusiast" message boards make up a tiny sliver of overall PC sales. If there were no gaming on PCs, sales of Phenom II and i7 parts would still go to graphic designers, digital photographers and videographers, CAD developers, etc. The reason you see what you see at Best Buy is that there is basically no retail market for high-end, expensive PCs, in big box stores, since the vast majority of people that buy PCs at Best Buy and the like don't know the difference between the $400 PC and the $1800 PC, except what the salesperson tells them.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: tdawg

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: makoto00
those parts would still go into apple computers and consoles. as the demand shifts, the market will shift with it. consumers will still be happy in the end.

His point is that gamers are the only people who buy high end parts. I've never once seen an Intel i7 in a store like Best Buy, yet lots of people on this forum own one. OEM computers like Apple or Dell use low end video cards like the GeForce 9400, and game consoles use GeForce 7800 and Radeon 1800 video cards. Without Windows games, who is going to buy the GeForce 8800, 9800, GTS 280, Radeon 48xx, or any other high end video card? Who is going to buy the Phenom II or i7?

Even right now, most of the computers I see at Best Buy either use Intel dual core processors from the 5 and 7 series or AMD's old phenoms. You want a Q9550? Sorry but they don't sell those. You want a Phenom II? Sorry. i7? Nope. Will they even carry the i5 when it comes out?

I think both AMD and Nvidia would be fine not to have to maintain high end parts in significant volumes, since a large chunk of their total sales volume comes from the consumer realm, not the high end gamer. So they stop selling their Halo parts in any measurable numbers; they'll still have the low to mid-range priced pieces selling in droves.

The number of people here in the PC gaming forum and the overall "enthusiast" message boards make up a tiny sliver of overall PC sales. If there were no gaming on PCs, sales of Phenom II and i7 parts would still go to graphic designers, digital photographers and videographers, CAD developers, etc. The reason you see what you see at Best Buy is that there is basically no retail market for high-end, expensive PCs, in big box stores, since the vast majority of people that buy PCs at Best Buy and the like don't know the difference between the $400 PC and the $1800 PC, except what the salesperson tells them.

No one is going to buy any discrete graphics cards. Intel is the largest IGP producer and it'd likely remain that way. Not every company makes money off OEM, several cater to people that just build their machines. When you get a DELL, you aren't going to see name brand components, it will all be stuff you've never heard of. I can't believe ou guys think that all these companies would stay is business by competing with eachother in the OEM market. Yeah, I'm sure Lian-Li will do fine producing OEM cases and Corsair will be making tons of RAM modules and PSU's for those DELL's. An with how hot those stock clocked Pentium Dual Cores get, Noctua and TRUE will be pumping out tons of units.

 

[BladeVenom]

When you get a DELL, you aren't going to see name brand components, it will all be stuff you've never heard of.

You see plenty of name brands in a Dell. I think my last Dell used parts by Intel, Toshiba, Sony, and Foxconn.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

When you get a DELL, you aren't going to see name brand components, it will all be stuff you've never heard of.

You see plenty of name brands in a Dell. I think my last Dell used parts by Intel, Toshiba, Sony, and Foxconn.

Yup, they're all "standard" parts. They may be customized for Dell, but it's all name brand stuff.

 

[Chriscross3234]

Just heard about this and, quite honestly, I'm not surprised. This is icing on the cake that Microsoft no longer supports gaming on the PC. Microsoft can do what they want, I mean who is still interested in Alan Wake anyways... Maybe 4-5 years ago this would of been a big impact, but PC gaming still has better companies, like Valve and Blizzard, to keep the industry alive.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Chriscross3234
Just heard about this and, quite honestly, I'm not surprised. This is icing on the cake that Microsoft no longer supports gaming on the PC. Microsoft can do what they want, I mean who is still interested in Alan Wake anyways... Maybe 4-5 years ago this would of been a big impact, but PC gaming still has better companies, like Valve and Blizzard, to keep the industry alive.

I'm still interested in Alan Wake, but I'm not interested at all in console gaming. If gaming completely disappeared from the PC, I'd just replay my old games. That might even get me off my ass to learn how to make my own using the Unreal engine. One thing's for sure, I'll *never* own a console.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: tdawg

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: makoto00
those parts would still go into apple computers and consoles. as the demand shifts, the market will shift with it. consumers will still be happy in the end.

His point is that gamers are the only people who buy high end parts. I've never once seen an Intel i7 in a store like Best Buy, yet lots of people on this forum own one. OEM computers like Apple or Dell use low end video cards like the GeForce 9400, and game consoles use GeForce 7800 and Radeon 1800 video cards. Without Windows games, who is going to buy the GeForce 8800, 9800, GTS 280, Radeon 48xx, or any other high end video card? Who is going to buy the Phenom II or i7?

Even right now, most of the computers I see at Best Buy either use Intel dual core processors from the 5 and 7 series or AMD's old phenoms. You want a Q9550? Sorry but they don't sell those. You want a Phenom II? Sorry. i7? Nope. Will they even carry the i5 when it comes out?

I think both AMD and Nvidia would be fine not to have to maintain high end parts in significant volumes, since a large chunk of their total sales volume comes from the consumer realm, not the high end gamer. So they stop selling their Halo parts in any measurable numbers; they'll still have the low to mid-range priced pieces selling in droves.

The number of people here in the PC gaming forum and the overall "enthusiast" message boards make up a tiny sliver of overall PC sales. If there were no gaming on PCs, sales of Phenom II and i7 parts would still go to graphic designers, digital photographers and videographers, CAD developers, etc. The reason you see what you see at Best Buy is that there is basically no retail market for high-end, expensive PCs, in big box stores, since the vast majority of people that buy PCs at Best Buy and the like don't know the difference between the $400 PC and the $1800 PC, except what the salesperson tells them.

Well, thing is, unless you want to play games(or work with DCC and such, but that's an entirely different market), there's no use for anything above a decent IGP really. The "high end" for non gaming systems would be the more powerful IGP's, possibly even with their dedicated frame buffer on a 128-bit bus, but still very low end stuff by the average gamer's standards.
At work I have a Dell laptop, it has an nVidia part of some sort in it, I haven't even bothered to check what type of GF it is because I don't care, it does everything I want anyway, and as long as I don't play games that's all that's needed.

Basically(again disregarding the Pro3D market), if no one plays games, what good are discreet graphics cards? Or high end memory, 1000 KW PSU's, etc etc?

Still, seeing as good games seem to be a dying breed, I guess I'm gonna be screwed anyway no matter what happens.

 

[Piuc2020]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: makoto00
those parts would still go into apple computers and consoles. as the demand shifts, the market will shift with it. consumers will still be happy in the end.

His point is that gamers are the only people who buy high end parts. I've never once seen an Intel i7 in a store like Best Buy, yet lots of people on this forum own one. OEM computers like Apple or Dell use low end video cards like the GeForce 9400, and game consoles use GeForce 7800 and Radeon 1800 video cards. Without Windows games, who is going to buy the GeForce 8800, 9800, GTS 280, Radeon 48xx, or any other high end video card? Who is going to buy the Phenom II or i7?

Even right now, most of the computers I see at Best Buy either use Intel dual core processors from the 5 and 7 series or AMD's old phenoms. You want a Q9550? Sorry but they don't sell those. You want a Phenom II? Sorry. i7? Nope. Will they even carry the i5 when it comes out?

Processors are not used only for games, there are PLENTY of applications for high-end processors well beyond games so maybe just limit your examples to GPUs.

 

[mindcycle]

A petition to Microsoft demanding an explanation for the "cancellation" of the PC version of Alan Wake was seemingly endorsed by the official Remedy community outlet today with a link on its official Twitter feed.

Written by the fans at alan-wake.de, the petition asks for Alan Wake publisher Microsoft to release a statement on why it "abruptly cancelled" work on the PC version, and requests the company to "strongly" reconsider its position.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/59816

 

[Koudelka]

I understand why so many developers straw away from PC these days to make more money.. but godamn.. a game like Alan Wake and so many others that dont make it to PC are practically made for it and it kills me to see it stuck on a console.

 

[flexy]

Guys, read my lips!

AW *will* come out on PC.

The game engine will be so amazing it will require a Pentium II and at least 128MB memory!!
And it will set amazing new technical standards: It will be the first game based on "DirectX 6" and will use something called "3D Graphics".

I personally cant wait to see this! It will blow anything out of the water...read my lips.