Alabama Justice Defends Ten Commandments Monument

[Koba1t]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Exactly. It's there because you agree with it. You don't agree with it because it's there.

That's PRECISELY my problem. I find it very, VERY hard to believe that a non-christian would get a fair shake in such a courtroom. It's a blatent decree of Christian beliefs. I fail to see how a judge could be impartial. And I do see that as a serious injustice.

How about you stop whining and deal with it? This country was found on christian principles. I see nothing wrong with this and it should be encouraged elsewhere.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Right. That says that congress can't get in the way of the church. How does that say that no religious influence should be allowed in the US Government?

nik

"Respecting an establishment of religion".

Do you need it explained, or can you figure it out like a big boy?

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

How could they find it offensive? I don't find their religion offensive. What if the judge ruled something that they didn't agree with? Well, that has no place since they don't agree with it, right? It's not like what he's advocating is murder, theft, rape, or anything else againts the law? How is "thou shalt not kill" and "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" present a negative effect on society? It doesn't.

nik

It could possibly affect that judges impartiality, which is, honestly, my only beef with it.

If a judge were to wear a big Star of David on the outside of his robe, I would have the same reservations. Or a Buddha statue in the corner, etc.

His decision is based on what's in his head, not whether or not there's something hanging on the wall. Those 10 commandments being displayed doesn't change what he believes. It's a physical representation of what he believes. He's not any more partial or impartial if those are hanging on the wall or not.

nik

I don't know what kind of court he has, but if there's a jury in there and the prosecutor starts pointing an using it in their closing arguments, to me that's a serious problem.

And the prosecutor's actions is the fault of the judge? No. If the judge had a picture of his family and the father in the family was holding a bible and the prosecutor used that, would that be a problem?

God... pull the stick outta your ass.

nik

Actually, a picture of the judge's family has NO place in a courtroom either. Why do you think they give judges their own chambers? If he had it in there, I don't think it would've been a big deal. There should be NOTHING in that courtroom but the facts for a prosecutor to point to in order to make their case.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Koba1t

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Exactly. It's there because you agree with it. You don't agree with it because it's there.

That's PRECISELY my problem. I find it very, VERY hard to believe that a non-christian would get a fair shake in such a courtroom. It's a blatent decree of Christian beliefs. I fail to see how a judge could be impartial. And I do see that as a serious injustice.

How about you stop whining and deal with it? This country was found on christian principles. I see nothing wrong with this and it should be encouraged elsewhere.

This country was founded on common moral principles that have existed in western civilization since before the OT was even conceived of.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Exactly. It's there because you agree with it. You don't agree with it because it's there.

That's PRECISELY my problem. I find it very, VERY hard to believe that a non-christian would get a fair shake in such a courtroom. It's a blatent decree of Christian beliefs. I fail to see how a judge could be impartial. And I do see that as a serious injustice.

WTF are you talking about?! Since you obviously know my own religion better than I do, would you mind elaborating?? And just because you find it hard to believe doesn't mean that it's not possible. Just because they're there doesn't make the judge any more or partial or impartial.

nik

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Koba1t

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Exactly. It's there because you agree with it. You don't agree with it because it's there.

That's PRECISELY my problem. I find it very, VERY hard to believe that a non-christian would get a fair shake in such a courtroom. It's a blatent decree of Christian beliefs. I fail to see how a judge could be impartial. And I do see that as a serious injustice.

How about you stop whining and deal with it? This country was found on christian principles. I see nothing wrong with this and it should be encouraged elsewhere.

This country was founded on common moral principles that have existed in western civilization since before the OT was even conceived of.

Western civilization didn't even exist back in Christ's time.

nik

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Exactly. It's there because you agree with it. You don't agree with it because it's there.

That's PRECISELY my problem. I find it very, VERY hard to believe that a non-christian would get a fair shake in such a courtroom. It's a blatent decree of Christian beliefs. I fail to see how a judge could be impartial. And I do see that as a serious injustice.

WTF are you talking about?! Since you obviously know my own religion better than I do, would you mind elaborating?? And just because you find it hard to believe doesn't mean that it's not possible. Just because they're there doesn't make the judge any more or partial or impartial.

nik

Same principle as the swastika. If I have a swastika tattoo on my arm, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm a nazi - but there's very little reason to think otherwise. That being said, would I expect myself to be impartial? No.

 

[vi edit]

:sigh:

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Koba1t

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Exactly. It's there because you agree with it. You don't agree with it because it's there.

That's PRECISELY my problem. I find it very, VERY hard to believe that a non-christian would get a fair shake in such a courtroom. It's a blatent decree of Christian beliefs. I fail to see how a judge could be impartial. And I do see that as a serious injustice.

How about you stop whining and deal with it? This country was found on christian principles. I see nothing wrong with this and it should be encouraged elsewhere.

This country was founded on common moral principles that have existed in western civilization since before the OT was even conceived of.

Western civilization didn't even exist back in Christ's time.

nik

Haha. Western civilization existed far before Christ's time.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
:sigh:

*yawn* These get more and more monotonous as time goes on.

 

[Cyberian]

We should also start working to get the 10 Commandments off the US Supreme Court Building in Washington, DC.

How can those Justices possibly make a rational decision?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Cyberian
We should also start working to get the 10 Commandments off the US Supreme Court Building in Washington, DC.

How can those Justices possibly make a rational decision?

Quality

nik

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Exactly. It's there because you agree with it. You don't agree with it because it's there.

That's PRECISELY my problem. I find it very, VERY hard to believe that a non-christian would get a fair shake in such a courtroom. It's a blatent decree of Christian beliefs. I fail to see how a judge could be impartial. And I do see that as a serious injustice.

WTF are you talking about?! Since you obviously know my own religion better than I do, would you mind elaborating?? And just because you find it hard to believe doesn't mean that it's not possible. Just because they're there doesn't make the judge any more or partial or impartial.

nik

Same principle as the swastika. If I have a swastika tattoo on my arm, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm a nazi - but there's very little reason to think otherwise. That being said, would I expect myself to be impartial? No.

So what if you ARE a Nazi. There's nothing wrong with being an Christian AND a judge.

nik

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

So what if you ARE a Nazi. There's nothing wrong with being an Christian AND a judge.

nik

Easy to say when it's not a nazi with a swastika on the wall.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

So what if you ARE a Nazi. There's nothing wrong with being an Christian AND a judge.

nik

Easy to say when it's not a nazi with a swastika on the wall.

Yes, because Nazis and Christians are SOOOOO alike, aren't they.

nik

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

So what if you ARE a Nazi. There's nothing wrong with being an Christian AND a judge.

nik

Easy to say when it's not a nazi with a swastika on the wall.

Yes, because Nazis and Christians are SOOOOO alike, aren't they.

nik

In the middle ages, I'd agree with you.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

So what if you ARE a Nazi. There's nothing wrong with being an Christian AND a judge.

nik

Easy to say when it's not a nazi with a swastika on the wall.

Yes, because Nazis and Christians are SOOOOO alike, aren't they.

nik

In the middle ages, I'd agree with you.

So you're calling the judge a Nazi? How are Christians and Nazis similar in a way that would present a threat to the court system? Or anyone else for that matter? Christians aren't marching all over the face of the planet (or attempting to, rather) trying to kill off anyone who's beneath them put all other peoples under their control.

Really, I'd like to know.

nik

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

So you're calling the judge a Nazi? How are Christians and Nazis similar in a way that would present a threat to the court system? Or anyone else for that matter? Christians aren't marching all over the face of the planet (or attempting to, rather) trying to kill off anyone who's beneath them put all other peoples under their control.

Really, I'd like to know.

nik

If Falwell and Robertson had their way, they would be.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

So what if you ARE a Nazi. There's nothing wrong with being an Christian AND a judge.

nik

Easy to say when it's not a nazi with a swastika on the wall.

Yes, because Nazis and Christians are SOOOOO alike, aren't they.

nik

In the middle ages, I'd agree with you.

So you're calling the judge a Nazi? How are Christians and Nazis similar in a way that would present a threat to the court system? Or anyone else for that matter? Christians aren't marching all over the face of the planet (or attempting to, rather) trying to kill off anyone who's beneath them put all other peoples under their control.

Really, I'd like to know.

nik

You only can't comprehend the difference because you feel the judge would be in the right by using his religious beliefs when deciding a case where a judge would be wrong to use the beliefs of the Nazis to make that same judgement.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

So you're calling the judge a Nazi? How are Christians and Nazis similar in a way that would present a threat to the court system? Or anyone else for that matter? Christians aren't marching all over the face of the planet (or attempting to, rather) trying to kill off anyone who's beneath them put all other peoples under their control.

Really, I'd like to know.

nik

If Falwell and Robertson had their way, they would be.

If they actually represented anything other than fundamentalist Christian extremism, that wouldn't be true.

nik

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

So what if you ARE a Nazi. There's nothing wrong with being an Christian AND a judge.

nik

Easy to say when it's not a nazi with a swastika on the wall.

Yes, because Nazis and Christians are SOOOOO alike, aren't they.

nik

In the middle ages, I'd agree with you.

So you're calling the judge a Nazi? How are Christians and Nazis similar in a way that would present a threat to the court system? Or anyone else for that matter? Christians aren't marching all over the face of the planet (or attempting to, rather) trying to kill off anyone who's beneath them put all other peoples under their control.

Really, I'd like to know.

nik

You only can't comprehend the difference because you feel the judge would be in the right by using his religious beliefs when deciding a case where a judge would be wrong to use the beliefs of the Nazis to make that same judgement.

And you refuse to see that the judge might make a morally or ethically correct judgement because of his Christian beliefs just because you don't agree with things about his religion.

nik

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: HotChic
Seriously... why does everyone have such a major problem with this? Simply because of the source? Ignoring that they're from the Bible, tell me which commandment you would argue with, which one do you think undermines the principals of the law? What's the issue?

People are anal about religion. They're so against it that a man can't even have something of his own in his own courtroom - which isn't offensive to anyone who's not a fscking anal tool.

nik

There's the issue that it's a judeo-christian artifact - a Buddhist, Taoist, Muslim, etc could find that offensive and disconcerting, seeing as how a judge is supposed to be impartial in all ways possible.

How could they find it offensive? I don't find their religion offensive. What if the judge ruled something that they didn't agree with? Well, that has no place since they don't agree with it, right? It's not like what he's advocating is murder, theft, rape, or anything else againts the law? How is "thou shalt not kill" and "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" present a negative effect on society? It doesn't.

nik

Do you seriously not get it? It doesn't matter who is offended. A religious "monument" has no place on public property. This is America, not a theocratic middle eastern state. How does it feel trampling the constitution?

Trampling the Constitution would be saying that the church and state should have no contact at all when in fact the original was meant to enforce keeping the state out of changing the church.

nik

That is the dumbest thing I have heard out of you yet. Period.

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: HotChic
Seriously... why does everyone have such a major problem with this? Simply because of the source? Ignoring that they're from the Bible, tell me which commandment you would argue with, which one do you think undermines the principals of the law? What's the issue?

1. Have no other gods before me [the God of the Hebrews].
This country is founded on the principles of religious freedom.
4. Do no work on the seventh day of the week.
Same principle as before, also, the fact that most businesses, while they have reduced hours, still regard Sundays as a profitable day to be open.
10. Do not desire another's wife or anything that belongs to another.
Isn't this contradicting one of the guiding principles of capitalism? Unlimited wants?

Wow, really, so when I sit there and think about how much I'd like to bang my upstairs neighbors wife, in reality I'm not being a pervert, I'm just being a good capitalist?

Silly me, I forgot, there is no line between drive, desire, motivation, and pure outright greed.
What is so funny is that very few of you seem to get why anybody would defend this "artifact".

What you are saying in no uncertain terms, is that principals like, thou shalt not kill, and thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not commit adultery, all things that are ILLEGAL by a court of law.
Have NO PLACE in a courtroom, for what reason?
Oh it's because those d@mn christians thought it up.
Wow, as long as we are on the topic of unbiased....lets get into that shall we?
I know managers at companies who have been FIRED for not letting employees of a certain ethnical/religious background not take breaks for prayer. Oh but we can't even pray in school.

What, exactly, is so wrong with looking to elected, and appointed, officials who have character, and beliefs....

Nothing, nobody would argue that a man or woman with integrity, and principals, and morals would make a bad judge.
It's because they are christian.
Christianity is evil....we started the crusades (ok, well actually that was the catholics, but lump all denoms together so we have a valid point here, or else people might see the BS).

ugh....
Whatever, have fun with your increasingly corrupt politicians, but I swear if I hear one more person, I mean ONE MORE, complain about it, I'm going to strangle someone.
I'm not saying only elect christians, heck elect hindus, budhists, jewish, catholic, baptist, any religion or denomination you want, a person with beliefs is a head by a LONG shot when it comes to these roles of responsibility.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt nik

And you refuse to see that the judge might make a morally or ethically correct judgement because of his Christian beliefs just because you don't agree with things about his religion.

nik[/quote]nik -

How would you like to be involved in a lawsuit with a Muslim, and the Judge had a Statue of Mohammed on his bench?

Wouldn't that upset you somewhat?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: HotChic
Seriously... why does everyone have such a major problem with this? Simply because of the source? Ignoring that they're from the Bible, tell me which commandment you would argue with, which one do you think undermines the principals of the law? What's the issue?

1. Have no other gods before me [the God of the Hebrews].
This country is founded on the principles of religious freedom.
4. Do no work on the seventh day of the week.
Same principle as before, also, the fact that most businesses, while they have reduced hours, still regard Sundays as a profitable day to be open.
10. Do not desire another's wife or anything that belongs to another.
Isn't this contradicting one of the guiding principles of capitalism? Unlimited wants?

Wow, really, so when I sit there and think about how much I'd like to bang my upstairs neighbors wife, in reality I'm not being a pervert, I'm just being a good capitalist?

Silly me, I forgot, there is no line between drive, desire, motivation, and pure outright greed.
What is so funny is that very few of you seem to get why anybody would defend this "artifact".

What you are saying in no uncertain terms, is that principals like, thou shalt not kill, and thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not commit adultery, all things that are ILLEGAL by a court of law.
Have NO PLACE in a courtroom, for what reason?
Oh it's because those d@mn christians thought it up.
Wow, as long as we are on the topic of unbiased....lets get into that shall we?
I know managers at companies who have been FIRED for not letting employees of a certain ethnical/religious background not take breaks for prayer. Oh but we can't even pray in school.

What, exactly, is so wrong with looking to elected, and appointed, officials who have character, and beliefs....

Nothing, nobody would argue that a man or woman with integrity, and principals, and morals would make a bad judge.
It's because they are christian.
Christianity is evil....we started the crusades (ok, well actually that was the catholics, but lump all denoms together so we have a valid point here, or else people might see the BS).

ugh....
Whatever, have fun with your increasingly corrupt politicians, but I swear if I hear one more person, I mean ONE MORE, complain about it, I'm going to strangle someone.
I'm not saying only elect christians, heck elect hindus, budhists, jewish, catholic, baptist, any religion or denomination you want, a person with beliefs is a head by a LONG shot when it comes to these roles of responsibility.

And with that solid gold post, I'm going to retire from the thread

nik