Alabama illustrates the problem with voter ID laws

[soundforbjt]

Sure are a lot of lame excuses flying in here on why people can't get to a dmv.

And not any valid reason why they need to...

 

[HomerJS]

Sure are a lot of lame excuses flying in here on why people can't get to a dmv.

Because everyone is so well of like you they can afford to lose up to 2 days pay plus additional costs

 

[Victorian Gray]

Because everyone is so well of like you they can afford to lose up to 2 days pay plus additional costs

And that's *if* they can get the time off from work.

 

[OutHouse]

And that's *if* they can get the time off from work.

why couldnt tney get time off from work? do you work every weekday with no days off for PTO? ive heard of no job where you work EVERY single day of the week from jan-dec. Part time people get plenty of time off the clock to take care of their business and to plan for it.

like i said, nothing but lame excuses.

 

[ivwshane]

why couldnt tney get time off from work? do you work every weekday with no days off for PTO? ive heard of no job where you work EVERY single day of the week from jan-dec. Part time people get plenty of time off the clock to take care of their business and to plan for it.

like i said, nothing but lame excuses.

Oh is paid time off a federal law now?

 

[OutHouse]

And that's *if* they can get the time off from work.

Dont canadians have to show ID to vote now? do you have your ID?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Dont canadians have to show ID to vote now? do you have your ID?

Photo ID? No. We have a list of about 50 plus different things we can use to vote if we don't have a government issued photo ID.

health card
Canadian passport
birth certificate
certificate of Canadian citizenship
citizenship card
social insurance number card
Indian status card
band membership card
Métis card
card issued by an Inuit local authority
Canadian Forces identity card
Veterans Affairs health card
old age security card
hospital card
medical clinic card
label on a prescription container
identity bracelet issued by a hospital or long-term care facility
blood donor card
CNIB card
credit card
debit card
employee card
student identity card
public transportation card
library card
liquor identity card
parolee card
firearms licence
licence or card issued for fishing, trapping or hunting
utility bill (e.g. electricity; water; telecommunications services including telephone, cable or satellite)
bank statement
credit union statement
credit card statement
personal cheque
government statement of benefits
government cheque or cheque stub
pension plan statement
residential lease or sub-lease
mortgage contract or statement
income tax assessment
property tax assessment or evaluation
vehicle ownership
insurance certificate, policy or statement
correspondence issued by a school, college or university
letter from a public curator, public guardian or public trustee
targeted revision form from Elections Canada to residents of long-term care facilities
letter of confirmation of residence from a First Nations band or reserve or an Inuit local authority
letter of confirmation of residence, letter of stay, admission form or statement of benefits from one of the following designated establishments:
student residence
seniors' residence
long-term care facility
shelter
soup kitchen

http://www.elections.ca/content2.aspx?section=id&document=index&lang=e

 

[ivwshane]

Dont canadians have to show ID to vote now? do you have your ID?

Here you go;

In Canada, the Federal government mails an Elections Canada registration confirmation card, which the voter takes to the polling station. The card tells the individual where and when to vote. Voters must prove their identity and address with one of three options:[5]

Show one original government-issued piece of identification with photo, name and address, like a driver's license or a health card.
Show two original pieces of authorized identification. Both pieces must have a name and one must also have an address. Examples: student ID card, birth certificate, public transportation card, utility bill, bank/credit card statement, etc.
Take an oath and have an elector who knows the voter vouch for them (both of whom must make a sworn statement). This person must have authorized identification and their name must appear on the list of electors in the same polling division as the voter. This person can only vouch for one person and the person who is vouched for cannot vouch for another elector.
Provincial elections Edit
However, in some provinces like in Quebec, a voter must establish their identity by presenting a health insurance card, a driver’s license, a Canadian passport, a certificate of Indian status, or a Canadian Forces ID.[6] These are all photos IDs.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Dont canadians have to show ID to vote now? do you have your ID?

My hydro bill and library card? Yep, I do.

 

[Victorian Gray]

why couldnt tney get time off from work? do you work every weekday with no days off for PTO? ive heard of no job where you work EVERY single day of the week from jan-dec. Part time people get plenty of time off the clock to take care of their business and to plan for it.

like i said, nothing but lame excuses.

Clueless, you are.

 

[OutHouse]

Clueless, you are.

humm lets see, i work full-time and take PTO often to take care of stuff like this.

my wife works 12 hour 3 day on 3 day off rotating days and night shifts, she takes care of shit like this on her days off.

my oldest is in the Navy and works 6 days on and 3 days off and takes care of shit like this on her days off.

my 2 remaining teens at home work part time and have most week days off and have no issue with finding somebody to give them a ride to take care of shit like this.

yea i guess im clueless.

 

[ivwshane]

Congrats! It sounds like you are well taken care of by our government!

I'm curious what you would do if you didn't have PTO, would you tell your work to suck it?

humm lets see, i work full-time and take PTO often to take care of stuff like this.

my wife works 12 hour 3 day on 3 day off rotating days and night shifts, she takes care of shit like this on her day off.

my oldest is in the Navy and works 6 days on and 3 days off and takes care of shit like this on her days off.

my 2 remaining teens at home work part time and have most week days off and have no issue with finding somebody to give them a ride to take care of shit like this.

yea i guess im clueless.

 

[Victorian Gray]

humm lets see, i work full-time and take PTO often to take care of stuff like this.

my wife works 12 hour 3 day on 3 day off rotating days and night shifts, she takes care of shit like this on her days off.

my oldest is in the Navy and works 6 days on and 3 days off and takes care of shit like this on her days off.

my 2 remaining teens at home work part time and have most week days off and have no issue with finding somebody to give them a ride to take care of shit like this.

yea i guess im clueless.

Try living the life of the poor. Clueless, you are.

edit: and your point regarding voting id apparently didn't go the way you expected?

 

[HomerJS]

Congrats! It sounds like you are well taken care of by our government!

I'm curious what you would do if you didn't have PTO, would you tell your work to suck it?

Yes he would because nobody works paycheck to paycheck in this country without PTO.

How about the state get off their fat rich white asses as goto every black resident who's county DMV was closed. Since that was the reason they closed them.

Remember this is why Republicans are enacting voter ID across the country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

Since we lose more votes in handling ballots after the vote is cast where are those reforms??? He isn't really worried about our precious Democracy. Its all about suppressing minority votes because the population of angry white men is shrinking each year.

 

[Rakehellion]

how can you live in america in the 21st century and NOT have some form of legal identification?

Because you don't drive?

 

[Roflmouth]

Clueless, you are.

That's okay, we knew you couldn't disprove the lame and racist excuses.

 

[Roflmouth]

Yes he would because nobody works paycheck to paycheck in this country without PTO.

How about the state get off their fat rich white asses as goto every black resident who's county DMV was closed. Since that was the reason they closed them.

Remember this is why Republicans are enacting voter ID across the country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

Since we lose more votes in handling ballots after the vote is cast where are those reforms??? He isn't really worried about our precious Democracy. Its all about suppressing minority votes because the population of angry white men is shrinking each year.

Like I said before, it isn't Republicans who are idiotically claiming that minorities are so stupid and inept that the concept of getting a photo ID is beyond them.

 

[ivwshane]

Like I said before, it isn't Republicans who are idiotically claiming that minorities are so stupid and inept that the concept of getting a photo ID is beyond them.

It's not dems either so...perhaps you can shove that straw man where you pull your posts from...your ass.

 

[Roflmouth]

Which means that "lazy people" shouldn't be allowed to vote, right?

Because they're "lazy", of course.

Or maybe they just don't need the kind of ID you insist they should have in their day to day lives. It seems clear that they survive without it except when they want to vote.

It isn't clear that they "survive" since no one can do anything in today's society without photo ID. Just be honest and admit that you hate how difficult it is for ineligible people to vote in elections.

 

[Roflmouth]

It simply means they need to get themselves to a DMV and get the ID so they can vote. I cannot imagine this day and age it will be difficult to get somewhere, by bus, or with a friend.

Of course it's not difficult, there isn't a single functioning adult anywhere who can tie their shoes and not go to the DMV to get a photo ID and join the rest of us in 2015. Liberals just enjoy lying about millions of idiots who somehow have jobs, bank accounts, and credit cards but no photo identification.

 

[soundforbjt]

It isn't clear that they "survive" since no one can do anything in today's society without photo ID. Just be honest and admit that you hate how difficult it is for ineligible people to vote in elections.

Have you ever watched Wild Alaska, etc? They all survive without a photo ID.

 

[werepossum]

Sure are a lot of lame excuses flying in here on why people can't get to a dmv.

Dude, we're talking about people who don't have driver's licenses; that generally means they also don't have cars. We're talking about those people (a significant percentage of the working poor) having to travel to a whole 'nother county to a DMZ now serving multiple counties. That is not a trivial exercise, and given the new work load will likely take the day. I would be pissed if I had to do it.

I am all for voter ID laws, but not at this cost. This doesn't pass the smell test. If Alabama cannot afford to maintain a DMV in every county capable of handling the increased load, then Alabama cannot afford voter ID laws, period. The benefit is far less than the burden.

 

[ivwshane]

It isn't clear that they "survive" since no one can do anything in today's society without photo ID. Just be honest and admit that you hate how difficult it is for ineligible people to vote in elections.

You just can't help making up your own arguments can you? Can we assume you are doing this intentionally because you can't argue against his actual position?

 

[soundforbjt]

Of course it's not difficult, there isn't a single functioning adult anywhere who can tie their shoes and not go to the DMV to get a photo ID and join the rest of us in 2015. Liberals just enjoy lying about millions of idiots who somehow have jobs, bank accounts, and credit cards but no photo identification.

How many really poor people have bank accounts & credit cards?

Bottom line is show me proof that in-person voter fraud is happening at a significant level and I'll be all for it (photo ID) if it is easily available and free to all eligible voters.

But I doubt you have any proof at all to show, I await your links.

 

[Roflmouth]

You seriously can't put yourself in someone else's shoes? Someone who might have fewer resources available than you do?

Bus: you need public transit that is both readily accessible and goes where you need it to go in a reasonable amount of time.

Friend: you need a friend with a car that can also take time out of their schedule to drive you to and from the DMV, while also having to wait there with you.

Personal situations: You actually need to be able to afford to take time off from work, to spend hours going to and from the DMV for something that you never needed before. You also might have to expend time and money getting replacements of documents that are required for obtaining an ID.

Wow, those are some nightmare scenarios you've laid out. It's amazing these poor people are able to leave their houses since everything is such a hellish struggle for survival. How do they go to the grocery store? How do they go to work? Oh my god, how do they go to the bathroom? Have you contacted Spielberg to make a movie about these poor victims and the waking nightmares they go through on a daily basis? First Schindler's List and now this.