Alabama chief justice told to remove ten commandments from court

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I can't wait until the utterence of God's name or the mention of the word Jesus is considered unconstitutional. Maybe then we can ban all religion and have cheap vodka and some quality borscht for everyone.



Why not have a vote on it, All those in favor of getting rid of a monument because it depicts something of a religion say Aye, those that wish to tar and feather all those screaming for the PC crowd say Hell yes!

Are you really that dumb, or are you just good at pretending?

Just tired of PC Assholes telling me how I can wipe my ass and when I can cross the street.

If one of the judges would be a Satanist, and would put an upside-down cross in his courthouse, do you think he would be told to remove it?
The courthouse is a place for Justice, not for religion of any kind. The judge can be a saint or a devil outside the courthouse, as long as he remains the impartial judge while in it.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I can't wait until the utterence of God's name or the mention of the word Jesus is considered unconstitutional. Maybe then we can ban all religion and have cheap vodka and some quality borscht for everyone.



Why not have a vote on it, All those in favor of getting rid of a monument because it depicts something of a religion say Aye, those that wish to tar and feather all those screaming for the PC crowd say Hell yes!

Are you really that dumb, or are you just good at pretending?

Just tired of PC Assholes telling me how I can wipe my ass and when I can cross the street.

Nobody's telling you how to live your life, and I can assure that no one wants to help wipe your ass. What they're saying is that a judge shouldn't be posting religous doctrine in his court.

Last I checked this country was formed on the doctrine of rule by the people and for the people. Vote on it, that is all I am saying.

 

[Mill]

Roy Moore held a press conference today and he said that he would not remove the monument from the court.

Told ya.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Millennium
Roy Moore held a press conference today and he said that he would not remove the monument from the court.

Told ya.

I really hope they jail him for contempt. The backing of millions of ignorant Alabamans didn't save Wallace in the government's bid to do what's right in 1963.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millennium
Roy Moore held a press conference today and he said that he would not remove the monument from the court.

Told ya.

I really hope they jail him for contempt. The backing of millions of ignorant Alabamans didn't save Wallace in the government's bid to do what's right in 1963.

LOL you have it all figured out down you Bdawg? Wait you never lived here and you don't know jack crap about George Wallace or the things he did. Not only did he apologize for his ideas but his son is now in politics. His son normally gets a majority of the black vote.

Not everybody has to hold on to old things to make themselves feel better like you. I know they will not jail him for contempy. Judge Moore is supported across all racial boundaries, incomes and genders. Even though I don't care WHAT happens to the monument I will have to laugh about all those trying to get the federal government to force a state to do something. The funny thing is these crys come from people who want less government and want religon out of the government. Interesting contradiction I must say.

I would like to see the Feds TRY to jail the Chief Justice of the Supreme court of Alabama. You never thought he could jail them too?

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millennium
Roy Moore held a press conference today and he said that he would not remove the monument from the court.

Told ya.

I really hope they jail him for contempt. The backing of millions of ignorant Alabamans didn't save Wallace in the government's bid to do what's right in 1963.

LOL you have it all figured out down you Bdawg? Wait you never lived here and you don't know jack crap about George Wallace or the things he did. Not only did he apologize for his ideas but his son is now in politics. His son normally gets a majority of the black vote.

Not everybody has to hold on to old things to make themselves feel better like you. I know they will not jail him for contempy. Judge Moore is supported across all racial boundaries, incomes and genders. Even though I don't care WHAT happens to the monument I will have to laugh about all those trying to get the federal government to force a state to do something. The funny thing is these crys come from people who want less government and want religon out of the government. Interesting contradiction I must say.

I would like to see the Feds TRY to jail the Chief Justice of the Supreme court of Alabama. You never thought he could jail them too?

I know more about George Wallace than you give me credit for. I know that he changed his stance on segregation. That doesn't make his little scene right. He made up for his mistakes, and I give him credit for that. But in 63, he was wrong.

The only thing that I hold on to that makes me feel better is that the government will not force religious beliefs on anyone. I happen to agree with the Ten Commandments, but our judges shouldn't be endorsing them in a court of law.

You really don't think the feds could get the judge if they wanted to? You probably hold the disillusion that buying some rifles and shotguns will keep out invading armies too.

If the government decides to jail this nutcase *crosses fingers*, he won't have the power to jail anyone.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

The funny thing is these crys come from people who want less government and want religon out of the government. Interesting contradiction I must say.

How is this a contradiction?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millennium
HAHAHA you people actually think that Roy Moore will remove the commandments. He has NO reason to and I would like to see the federal government try to force him to remove them. 1864 ring a bell to anyone? They commandments will not get removed by force. Unless Roy Moore doesn't want to disobey a ruling they will stay there. The feds have no way to remove the commandments and in this state very few people want them removed. The SPLC(hmmm.... fighting an expensive religous battle instead of poverty) is a bunch of quacks and morons and I have no doubt that this ruling will be thrown aside.

Sorry but the commandments aren't going anywhere. You can arm chair quarterback all day, but I have lived here all my life and I know how politics and people want things. I don't really care what happens to the commandments, but I do see it as the feds overreaching into state's rights. They don't want to deal with that mess again.

I suppose the logical thing to do would be put him in jail with the criminals he convicted. That'll put the belief of God in him.

heh... "belief of god" 😉

heh yes😛


but that would be the correct place, god seems to inhabit the jails, he is found there by inmates with surprising regularity😛

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
The problem I have here is that the majority here would rather have a piss poor judge and no 10 commandments, than a good one who does. I dont know the track record of this guy, but I dont care if he hangs his shorts up to dry if he does his job well. And that is what no one ever seems to care about.

If he's a good judge, he'll still be a good judge without his commandments. In fact, this has nothing to do with his competence at all.

Next, time to get rid of that stupid bible you have to take your oath on.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Like it or not, the 10 commandments are a fairly good basis (a little over reaching in some areas, 7&9) for laws.

so not true if you think about it even a little😛. religious rules at best, but poor basis for law.


1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Ok, this one does not work, obviously. I said a basis, not a 100% transcript. Plus, the first 3 rules have to do with a relationship with god, not with people.

2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

Same as above.

3. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.

Again, same as above.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.[/quote]

This obviously does not apply.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.

Oops got my numbers mixed up a bit... Anyhow:

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

There are laws regarding minors and their parents. Obviously they are more complex than this, but they still work.

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

I think there is a law or two regarding murder...

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

Many areas of the country have antiquated laws involving adultry.

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

Again, I believe this is a crime.

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

Purgery is a crime, this applies.

I did not say that the 10 commandments are a transcript of the laws, or that civil laws took them word for word or even used all of the 10, but they are a fair basis for civil laws. Im not a christian by any stretch of the imagination, but I can see how these 10 commandments cover most of our current laws in a very basic and simplistic way.[/quote]

Good thing we have a common (not civil) law system.


moron

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ELP
The funny thing is these crys come from people who want less government and want religon out of the government. Interesting contradiction I must say.

How is this a contradiction?

Because they want the government to FORCE someone to remove something they don't like. If you can't comprehend that then I am sorry.


BDawg-I never said it made up for what he did, but GW wasn't super popular like you think he was. You called people from Alabama ignorant and that is offensive to me. So I will respond with something to debate you.

"You really don't think the feds could get the judge if they wanted to? You probably hold the disillusion that buying some rifles and shotguns will keep out invading armies too.

If the government decides to jail this nutcase *crosses fingers*, he won't have the power to jail anyone. "

Sorry but I don't believe in gun control... but I also don't read into propaganda and make assumptions. You think he couldn't jail those that came to arrest him? You are asking for a showdown my friend. State courts have strong power in their own state and they would have to come here to get him.

Anyone wonder why the Southern Poverty Law Center is fighting this? Doesn't do much to help poverty does it?

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Millennium



BDawg-I never said it made up for what he did, but GW wasn't super popular like you think he was. You called people from Alabama ignorant and that is offensive to me. So I will respond with something to debate you.

I didn't say Alabamans were ignorant. I said the ones who supported Judge Moore in his fight against the Constitution are. There were plenty of people who voted against this guy when he promised to bring Christianity where it doesn't belong.

Because they want the government to FORCE someone to remove something they don't like. If you can't comprehend that then I am sorry.

You so miss the point. People would be outraged if the "monument" were the pillars of Islam.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
The problem I have here is that the majority here would rather have a piss poor judge and no 10 commandments, than a good one who does. I dont know the track record of this guy, but I dont care if he hangs his shorts up to dry if he does his job well. And that is what no one ever seems to care about.

If he's a good judge, he'll still be a good judge without his commandments. In fact, this has nothing to do with his competence at all.

Next, time to get rid of that stupid bible you have to take your oath on.

I thought you didn't have to take the oath on the Bible anymore?

 

[BDawg]

Both
in appearance and in stated purpose, the Chief Justice's Ten
Commandments monument is an "extreme case"; it is nothing less
than "an obtrusive year-round religious display" installed in
the Alabama State Judicial Building in order to "place the
government's weight behind an obvious effort to proselytize on
behalf of a particular religion," the Chief Justice's religion.

Ouch. 😉

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Here we go again, what? Seems like the NART types are more vocal than the politicos!

Nah, the reason that the poster said that, was because there was a couple hundred reply long thread when the judge snuck it in there during the night.

Vi- How exactly do you "sneak" a 2.5 TON monument onto the courthouse lawn and no one see it?

People support Roy Moore down here and you and all the others in this thread will have to learn to deal with it. He has had the ten commandments in his courtroom for years now and that is why he was elected to begin with. He won by a huge margin considering he is a Republican and Dems win state elections around here.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millennium



BDawg-I never said it made up for what he did, but GW wasn't super popular like you think he was. You called people from Alabama ignorant and that is offensive to me. So I will respond with something to debate you.

I didn't say Alabamans were ignorant. I said the ones who supported Judge Moore in his fight against the Constitution are. There were plenty of people who voted against this guy when he promised to bring Christianity where it doesn't belong.

Because they want the government to FORCE someone to remove something they don't like. If you can't comprehend that then I am sorry.

You so miss the point. People would be outraged if the "monument" were the pillars of Islam.

No you still don't get it. Islam is not the issue here and isn't the religion of Alabama. If Islam was the religion in question then I have no doubt the Alabama people would NOT support this judge. People down here believe in God and go to church. You obviously think they are ignorant and that you are a better man. Well they think the same damn thing about you. You have your opinion and we have ours. Last time the Feds tried to force a state to do things we had a war.If you believe that crap about the civil war being completely about slavery I hope someone puts you out of your misery soon.

I am sorry you have a problem with religion, but like you I am entitled to my opinion on the interpretation of the constitution and amendments. I firmly believe that things were set in place to keep the state out of religion and not the other way around.

Why do you think your opinion is so much more valid than mine? Also Moore won by 100,000 and that is huge considering Alabama pretty much always goes democrat in Statewide races. The race for Chief Justice before 2000 was separated by 500 votes. The people of Alabama want Roy Moore and they also want the commandments.

Stop hiding behind the federal government. If the commandments bother you so much come get them your own damn self. You can talk big behind the keyboard but you still don't have a clue how things work down here. Learn a little and then come back to me.

I have no doubt that our state will fight in court to overturn this decision. You obviously don't want them to be given that Freedom.

 

[Mill]

BTW, who ever said we had to give Islam and other religions equal footing if we have a Christian monument. Too many of you have been brainwashed in school that things are always equal and fair. They are not and you have to deal with them. Who ever said things had to be equal? Equality is just a manmade philosophy that doesn't work out.

 

[Zebo]

I admire anyone with such a deep personel commitment, unwilling to bend, even if it costs him his job.. And it should cost him his job since he'll be in direct violation of the the law which he has sworn to uphold. Strange to me he won't step down, I would if I could'nt abide by it. Southern Babtist minister do better $ anyway plus he can prech it all day.😉

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I admire anyone with such a deep personel commitment, unwilling to bend, even if it costs him his job.. And it should cost him his job since he'll be in direct violation of the the law which he has sworn to uphold. Strange to me he won't step down, I would if I could'nt abide by it. Southern Babtist minister do better $ anyway plus he can prech it all day.😉

Who is going to remove him? He answers to our State and not the feds. They want him here.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millennium



BDawg-I never said it made up for what he did, but GW wasn't super popular like you think he was. You called people from Alabama ignorant and that is offensive to me. So I will respond with something to debate you.

I didn't say Alabamans were ignorant. I said the ones who supported Judge Moore in his fight against the Constitution are. There were plenty of people who voted against this guy when he promised to bring Christianity where it doesn't belong.

Because they want the government to FORCE someone to remove something they don't like. If you can't comprehend that then I am sorry.

You so miss the point. People would be outraged if the "monument" were the pillars of Islam.

No you still don't get it. Islam is not the issue here and isn't the religion of Alabama. If Islam was the religion in question then I have no doubt the Alabama people would NOT support this judge. People down here believe in God and go to church. You obviously think they are ignorant and that you are a better man. Well they think the same damn thing about you. You have your opinion and we have ours. Last time the Feds tried to force a state to do things we had a war.If you believe that crap about the civil war being completely about slavery I hope someone puts you out of your misery soon.

I am sorry you have a problem with religion, but like you I am entitled to my opinion on the interpretation of the constitution and amendments. I firmly believe that things were set in place to keep the state out of religion and not the other way around.

Why do you think your opinion is so much more valid than mine? Also Moore won by 100,000 and that is huge considering Alabama pretty much always goes democrat in Statewide races. The race for Chief Justice before 2000 was separated by 500 votes. The people of Alabama want Roy Moore and they also want the commandments.

Stop hiding behind the federal government. If the commandments bother you so much come get them your own damn self. You can talk big behind the keyboard but you still don't have a clue how things work down here. Learn a little and then come back to me.

I have no doubt that our state will fight in court to overturn this decision. You obviously don't want them to be given that Freedom.

Pssst...I completely understand how big religion is in the south. I completely comprehend, understand, and sympathize with the causes of the Civil War. I was born, raised, and still am a God fearing Christian in the south. I believe in God, I go to church, and I believe in the Ten Commandments. I don't know where you get that I have a problem with religion.

I have a problem with the Government endorsing religion, which is clearly the case here.

I believe my opinion is much more valid than yours because it is constitutionally the law of the country. If you wish to live in a non-secular state, I suggest you create one. As long as you live in the United States, you live in a country that doesn't endorse one religion on all of it's citizens.

If an official would have won an election on the promise to bring Jesus into court, that doesn't make him right. It doesn't matter how many people agree he should, it's still wrong. That was my point before. Just because many of the citizens of Alabama supported segregation in the 50s, it wasn't right.

Why should I go there and get rid of them? It's not my place. The courts are doing just fine. I'm not some insecure person who feels the need to make silly threats and claims to pump myself up.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I admire anyone with such a deep personel commitment, unwilling to bend, even if it costs him his job.. And it should cost him his job since he'll be in direct violation of the the law which he has sworn to uphold. Strange to me he won't step down, I would if I could'nt abide by it. Southern Babtist minister do better $ anyway plus he can prech it all day.😉

Who is going to remove him? He answers to our State and not the feds. They want him here.

They can't take away his position, I don't believe. He's an elected state official, not federal. He can be fined (Coral Ridge Ministries doesn't have unlimited funds), jailed, and be de-barred.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millennium



BDawg-I never said it made up for what he did, but GW wasn't super popular like you think he was. You called people from Alabama ignorant and that is offensive to me. So I will respond with something to debate you.

I didn't say Alabamans were ignorant. I said the ones who supported Judge Moore in his fight against the Constitution are. There were plenty of people who voted against this guy when he promised to bring Christianity where it doesn't belong.

Because they want the government to FORCE someone to remove something they don't like. If you can't comprehend that then I am sorry.

You so miss the point. People would be outraged if the "monument" were the pillars of Islam.

No you still don't get it. Islam is not the issue here and isn't the religion of Alabama. If Islam was the religion in question then I have no doubt the Alabama people would NOT support this judge. People down here believe in God and go to church. You obviously think they are ignorant and that you are a better man. Well they think the same damn thing about you. You have your opinion and we have ours. Last time the Feds tried to force a state to do things we had a war.If you believe that crap about the civil war being completely about slavery I hope someone puts you out of your misery soon.

I am sorry you have a problem with religion, but like you I am entitled to my opinion on the interpretation of the constitution and amendments. I firmly believe that things were set in place to keep the state out of religion and not the other way around.

Why do you think your opinion is so much more valid than mine? Also Moore won by 100,000 and that is huge considering Alabama pretty much always goes democrat in Statewide races. The race for Chief Justice before 2000 was separated by 500 votes. The people of Alabama want Roy Moore and they also want the commandments.

Stop hiding behind the federal government. If the commandments bother you so much come get them your own damn self. You can talk big behind the keyboard but you still don't have a clue how things work down here. Learn a little and then come back to me.

I have no doubt that our state will fight in court to overturn this decision. You obviously don't want them to be given that Freedom.

Pssst...I completely understand how big religion is in the south. I completely comprehend, understand, and sympathize with the causes of the Civil War. I was born, raised, and still am a God fearing Christian. I believe in God, I go to church, and I believe in the Ten Commandments. I don't know where you get that I have a problem with religion.

I have a problem with the Government endorsing religion, which is clearly the case here.

I believe my opinion is much more valid than yours because it is constitutionally the law of the country. If you wish to live in a non-secular state, I suggest you create one. As long as you live in the United States, you live in a country that doesn't endorse one religion on all of it's citizens.

If an official would have won an election on the promise to bring Jesus into court, that doesn't make him right. It doesn't matter how many people agree he should, it's still wrong. That was my point before. Just because many of the citizens of Alabama supported segregation in the 50s, it wasn't right.

Why should I go there and get rid of them? It's not my place. The courts are doing just fine. I'm not some insecure person who feels the need to make silly threats and claims to pump myself up.

Who says it is WRONG? You. The Constitution can be read as either keeping religion out of the state or keeping the state out of religion. You fail to see that your opinion is no more valid than mine. Bush is going to get to appoint SC justices and don't be suprised to see prayer back in schools and the ten commandmants everywhere. You still have told me whether or not you like that fact that the SPLC was the one bringing this case. I don't see how a monument has anything to do with poverty.

"I believe my opinion is much more valid than yours because it is constitutionally the law of the country. If you wish to live in a non-secular state, I suggest you create one. As long as you live in the United States, you live in a country that doesn't endorse one religion on all of it's citizens."

Link to me the Case Law supporting you real quick. I think you are getting in over your head with that statement. It goes both ways. There has been case law written from both my point of view and yours.

"Why should I go there and get rid of them? It's not my place. The courts are doing just fine. I'm not some insecure person who feels the need to make silly threats and claims to pump myself up."

Claims? Threats? Where? I am just telling you my opinion. Are you sure you are reading the same thread as me?

Why do you have a problem with the government endorsing religion? They have done it for years. Where have you been? You still haven't answered any of my points.

PS- I don't give a goofy goddamn if you are a christian or not because I am most certainly NOT one. Why do you think saying that adds validity to your arguments? It doesn't.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I admire anyone with such a deep personel commitment, unwilling to bend, even if it costs him his job.. And it should cost him his job since he'll be in direct violation of the the law which he has sworn to uphold. Strange to me he won't step down, I would if I could'nt abide by it. Southern Babtist minister do better $ anyway plus he can prech it all day.😉

Who is going to remove him? He answers to our State and not the feds. They want him here.

They can't take away his position, I don't believe. He's an elected state official, not federal. He can be fined (Coral Ridge Ministries doesn't have unlimited funds), jailed, and be de-barred.

You don't think people in this state will pay his fines for him? They most certainly will. You still don't have clue about this whole situation. I remember Roy Moore when he was just a little 'ole Etowah Circuit Judge and he had his commandmants. He decided to jump from a Circuit Judge post to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Coury. The people do want him and will support him.

You think the people supporting him are ignorant, but I think the people in NC that support ERR are ignorant too. They think he has some great master plan while he is going around blowing sh!t up. Doesn't work for me. You still haven't caught him up there. Jesus, capture the criminals in your state before you start worrying about a judge down here.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I admire anyone with such a deep personel commitment, unwilling to bend, even if it costs him his job.. And it should cost him his job since he'll be in direct violation of the the law which he has sworn to uphold. Strange to me he won't step down, I would if I could'nt abide by it. Southern Babtist minister do better $ anyway plus he can prech it all day.😉

Who is going to remove him? He answers to our State and not the feds. They want him here.

That's a shame they want him there. As I said If he can't abide by the the law he should remove himself. I mean what's the point of having laws if the judges arn't even going to abide by them. But I don't blame the people of his state but him for setting a bad example by willfully breaking a law..

There's not really much the feds can do other than jail him for contempt but I think some closed door mettings will go on and they'll place the monument on a strip of private property on front of the court house😉 Now who want's to bid on 12 sqft of land LOL🙂

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I admire anyone with such a deep personel commitment, unwilling to bend, even if it costs him his job.. And it should cost him his job since he'll be in direct violation of the the law which he has sworn to uphold. Strange to me he won't step down, I would if I could'nt abide by it. Southern Babtist minister do better $ anyway plus he can prech it all day.😉

Who is going to remove him? He answers to our State and not the feds. They want him here.

They can't take away his position, I don't believe. He's an elected state official, not federal. He can be fined (Coral Ridge Ministries doesn't have unlimited funds), jailed, and be de-barred.

The Bar Association of Alabama is most certainly not going to disbar Roy Moore anytime soon. Members of the Bar Assocation would be commiting politcal suicide if they disbarred him. We know how to play politics too. Who is going to jail him? The feds? Like to see them try.

Everything you say is not going to happen. He is going to get the opinion stayed and keep doing what he has always been doing. By the time this gets to the Supreme Court there will be several Bush nominees and this opinion will be thoroughly trashed.

It is all a balance. We have liberal judges for a while and then we have Conservative for a while. Thank God. I don't want us to end up with the Morality Police everywhere and I also don't want the PC police everywhere. I want a balance.