I'm gald that your so willing to prove that your just as bad as he is. Congratulations on proving yourself to be a scumbag. :thumbsup:
I would say that the corporate media encouraged republican viewpoints, and the liberal media overwent when they tried to prove that they weren't liberal. Individually the media, as in the reporters and anchors are liberal, but when you figure in the corporate media and the somewhat legitimate criticism, they end up doing conservative, in some cases very conservative reporting. The anchors were finally able to let something through on election night as their early optimism turned to inner despiration and shame in defeat (except FOX), as well as their disbelief that their information was wrong.
You are not only ignorant, but your making more and more of an ass of yourself every time you post. All your doing is turning people even more against your already well debunked viewpoint
If this is true, watch the libs somehow put a negative spin on this. My guess is a reference to Hydra. Or "Why can't we get Osama too?"
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Nothing in this morning's paper, or CNN.com or foxnews.com, about this I'm guessing it's typical Drudge made-up news. When citing Drudge (or the National Enquirer) please cite that source in the comment line of the thread as a public service, so others don't waste valuable time reading the post.
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Well, it's good to see that human nature isn't any better here in the good old USA than in Iraq.
My perspective is once again validated. Damn, I feel like fscking Cassandra sometimes.
My perspective is once again validated. Damn, I feel like fscking Cassandra sometimes.
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Soldiers told to sit around and make fun of a crippled old man that was laying on the ground blind folded?
They were told to tickle his feet and to see if he had a hard on? They were told that?
oh and BTW it was not a description of the event, they had the actual video and the guy that filmed it.
Tell me again why you are not ignorant?
Just wondering, if WWII was happening today do you think the media would be blasting the president quite as much? I don't, and here is why. During WWII we were defending other countries from an aggressive nation that was trying to take over. It had already invaded numerous countries by the time we got involved. The entire country knew that we had a good reason to get involved. Now lets compare it to the current situation. We went to war over some bad intel, true we did bring down a terrible dictator but that is not a good enough reason to invade another country. We are the aggressive country and maybe the media is doing its part to make sure that we as the invaders know that the people at home are keeping an eye on there activities.
And oh yeah, that?s BS about not hearing about all the good things we have done. Maybe you should watch TV, its on whenever there is something to report. Unless you are over there right now, and you can tell me first hand all the wonderful things we are doing that are not being reported. Because I have talked Marines and Army people that have come back, and although the media is critical of what is going it is also NOT reporting all the bad.
Ok, so there is a video of soldiers sitting somewhere making fun of a crippled old man ..... never saw it never heard of it, but that doesnt matter.
What is your point? Its a warzone, if you think these things dont happen your mistaken. So whats your point? If you are comparing them taking a family somewhere to poking fun at an old man, it doesnt compare.
Why do people act like our troops are guys from somewhere else? These are your sons and daughters out there..... your neighbors.... sure they shouldnt have been making fun of the old man. But if you think that is an excuse to say how terrible we are or make terrible decisons or the war isnt going good or whatever your point is..... its wrong.
What is your point? Its a warzone, if you think these things dont happen your mistaken. So whats your point? If you are comparing them taking a family somewhere to poking fun at an old man, it doesnt compare.
Why do people act like our troops are guys from somewhere else? These are your sons and daughters out there..... your neighbors.... sure they shouldnt have been making fun of the old man. But if you think that is an excuse to say how terrible we are or make terrible decisons or the war isnt going good or whatever your point is..... its wrong.
Well, i think 9-11 changed all the rules. I think the bad intel we had posed a big enough threat to condone invading Iraq. If you dont then that is your opinion. I would rather be the aggressor, then just sit back and wait for someone else to hit me again. Bush took the offensive against terrorism, and dealt with a terrible dictator who would not cooperate with the UN and others about WMD's that could kill hundreds of thousands of americans. It makes sense to me.
I dont think it is unfair at all to say you definately hear more about the bad then the good. Mostly from the major news outlets. I am not the only one who shares that opinion.
Raildogg,
http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/MessageSend.html
Use that link to let them know they shouldnt be dicks anymore. Problem solved.
The old man was taken out of his home in Iraq with the rest of his family. Just because you have not scene it, does not mean it does not exist. And the fact that you don?t care, just proves your ignorance.
I guess I will have to spell it out for you. You say the media unfairly criticizes our actions in Iraq. I am suggesting that maybe they are critical because our actions in Iraq (unlike WWII) are not necessary. I was fairly young during the first golf war, but I do not remember hearing about our troops doing anything like they are in Iraq, and maybe that is because the media overlooked certain things because overall we had to do what we did. The current situation is not the same (i.e. we did not have to invade).
I do not care if my brother was a soldier, I still do not think because they are citizens they should not be criticized for breaking the law.
So you think that bad intel is ok to invade. What about good intel? Dont you think the N. Korea with it's nukes is more of a threat to the US then chemical or biological weapons? Why didn't we invade them? Or is it because you think all Muslims are to blame for 9/11? if that was the case why not invade Saudi Arabia, they are Muslim and they actively support terrorism. What about the Palestinians? They are Muslim and they actively and publicly support terrorism. Saddam and Bin laden hated each other and did not support each other. So to say there is a connection between saddam and 9/11 has been proved wrong.
Being an aggressor against a country that had no link to 9/11 does not help, it only becomes a war cry for the rest of the terrorists that are saying we are at war with Muslims. I was completely behind invading Afghanistan, and i am completely behind the war on terrorism. Iraq is just not connected.
I think you are right, you do hear more bad than good, which is unfortunate but maybe there really is just not that much good to report on. I dont know, i am not in Iraq and i am not a journalist.
I never said it didnt exist. I said i never saw what you were referring to. I never said i didnt care either.
If you want to hold those troops accountable for what they did, go right ahead. As far as the media only paying attention to things like that when "its neccessary to be there"..... is rediculous. You think these things didnt happen in Gulf War? How about Vietnam? If you think some troops picking on a old man is bad, you have no clue about things that go on. Its called War. One reason you hear more about these things now is because the country doesnt stand together nearly as much as it used to. The people that are opposed to the war, bend over backwards to make sure they point out all the faults of it.
If you want to hold those troops accountable for what they did, go right ahead. As far as the media only paying attention to things like that when "its neccessary to be there"..... is rediculous. You think these things didnt happen in Gulf War? How about Vietnam? If you think some troops picking on a old man is bad, you have no clue about things that go on. Its called War. One reason you hear more about these things now is because the country doesnt stand together nearly as much as it used to. The people that are opposed to the war, bend over backwards to make sure they point out all the faults of it.
Where did you read that I do not think this type of thing happened in any other war? I you arguing my point for me. The country is split because this war is not necessary.
Terrible things happen in war and sometimes we have to allow those things to happen as long as the goal of the war is for a good reason. I am just using the old man as an example. I understand far worse things have happened and are happening.
My only problem is that you do not seem to think it is a big deal. Human rights mean nothing to you I guess. I am sure you will say, we are in Iraq to protect the Iraqi human rights b/c Saddam was a terrible person. I agree that Saddam was doing horrible things to his people, but does that mean we (our troops) should be allowed to do anything they want to Iraqi civilians?
Terrible things happen in war and sometimes we have to allow those things to happen as long as the goal of the war is for a good reason. I am just using the old man as an example. I understand far worse things have happened and are happening.
My only problem is that you do not seem to think it is a big deal. Human rights mean nothing to you I guess. I am sure you will say, we are in Iraq to protect the Iraqi human rights b/c Saddam was a terrible person. I agree that Saddam was doing horrible things to his people, but does that mean we (our troops) should be allowed to do anything they want to Iraqi civilians?
First off, it wasnt "bad intel" we invaded on. It was the ONLY intel. Obviously, we did not know it was bad intel.
North Korea is a threat, and you have been hearing news about talks with them. Not every country we have to go bomb. Believe it or not, even people that support this war dont find the need to attack every country.
Look, i dont have all the answers. But i know 9-11 changed everything. If i could sit here and tell you what to do with all these countries i would make too much money to be posting on these boards.
I never said there was a connection between Saddam and Bin Laden. But i know for a fact, there will never be one now.
North Korea is a threat, and you have been hearing news about talks with them. Not every country we have to go bomb. Believe it or not, even people that support this war dont find the need to attack every country.
Look, i dont have all the answers. But i know 9-11 changed everything. If i could sit here and tell you what to do with all these countries i would make too much money to be posting on these boards.
I never said there was a connection between Saddam and Bin Laden. But i know for a fact, there will never be one now.
No, they shouldnt be allowed to do whatever they want. And they fact is, they arent. You see some video and you think the entire army is there pissing on everyone?
"the war is not neccessary" is your opinion. That is not a fact. Your arguement does not make sense.
"the war is not neccessary" is your opinion. That is not a fact. Your arguement does not make sense.
Invading a country based on some weak evidence is ok? And you have to admit, that little vile of clear liquid Powell brought to capitol hill was fairly weak evidence, and hardly a reason to sacrifice the 1300+ troops that we have. I only wish I could have kept the articles with comments from the CIA before the Iraqi invasion.
When someone says look at this example, it is in fact an example. I did not say it was evidence showing that the entire military is doing that, it is just an example. There are many other examples of behavior that is not helping to win the minds and hearts of the Iraq people nor the Muslim world.
I never said my opinion is the only opinion or that it is fact. But compared to the war in Afghanistan, the first golf war and WWII the current war is not a necessary war. Blind support is not support, it is blindness. The fact that you can't question anything that is going on, or see the problems is beyond me. Maybe you should actually ask yourself what is history going to say about this period? How is the US going to look after all this is over? Or do you not care?
When someone says look at this example, it is in fact an example. I did not say it was evidence showing that the entire military is doing that, it is just an example. There are many other examples of behavior that is not helping to win the minds and hearts of the Iraq people nor the Muslim world.
I never said my opinion is the only opinion or that it is fact. But compared to the war in Afghanistan, the first golf war and WWII the current war is not a necessary war. Blind support is not support, it is blindness. The fact that you can't question anything that is going on, or see the problems is beyond me. Maybe you should actually ask yourself what is history going to say about this period? How is the US going to look after all this is over? Or do you not care?
Where do you come up with weak evidence? Was the evidence weak when Bill Clinton said the same things as George Bush? Were the three other countries that had the same intelligence that we did, was there information weak also?
My point is about your example, there is nothing you can do about it. Your right, its not helping win hearts and minds. But unless you plan to keep tabs on every single soldier, there is nothing you can do about it.
Once again i would disagree with your comparision to the other wars, that this isnt a necessary war. I can question lots of things that have happened, and i never said we have handled the whole situation perfectly. I see lots of problems, and i see some problems that are more important than others.
And seeing how i have actually been there and done these things, i would say im qualified.
(im speaking of being in the military, not war crimes of course.)
My point is about your example, there is nothing you can do about it. Your right, its not helping win hearts and minds. But unless you plan to keep tabs on every single soldier, there is nothing you can do about it.
Once again i would disagree with your comparision to the other wars, that this isnt a necessary war. I can question lots of things that have happened, and i never said we have handled the whole situation perfectly. I see lots of problems, and i see some problems that are more important than others.
And seeing how i have actually been there and done these things, i would say im qualified.
(im speaking of being in the military, not war crimes of course.)
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