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Al-Sadr demands date for US Iraqi pullout

conjur

No Lifer
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D693FE03-4608-4C4E-929F-43399EB31BF1.htm
Iraqi Shia leader Muqtada al-Sadr has called on his community's senior religious leaders to insist on a timeline for a US troop withdrawal.

"This is a message from Sayid Muqtada. I call on all religious and political powers that pushed towards the elections and took part in them to issue an official statement calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of the occupation forces from Iraq," Sayid Hashim Abu Raghif told worshippers gathered for Friday prayers in the Shia city of Kufa.

Al-Sadr, who earlier belittled last week's vote, said he would no longer refrain from commenting on political developments in Iraq after keeping quiet for months, according to a statement Abu Raghif read from al-Sadr to thousands of worshippers.


West's pawn

"I stood aside for the elections and did not stand against them as I did not want to show disobedience toward the Marjaiya [senior Shia clergy]. I did not join these elections so that I wouldn't be one of the West's pawns.

"The West is so proud that they have held the elections but I would ask: who is responsible for the blood that day?" he asked.

Al-Sadr was referring to the death of at least 36 Iraqi civilians and security officer in attacks mounted as elections were held.

A majority of Shia, who make up about 55% of the population, voted in an affirmation of the political process championed by their senior most religious figure, Iranian-born Ayat Allah Ali al-Sistani.

Al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia battled US troops for seven months last year before laying their arms down in October.
The pressure begins. If Shia who end up hold power in the new Iraqi government agree with al-Sadr, we'll see how much the U.S. respects their sovereignty.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Who gives a flying crap what al-Sadr says?

Sistani will smack him back to reality again.

Uhhh.. I don't think you get it. Both of them are pretty much on the same page.
 
Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Who gives a flying crap what al-Sadr says?

Sistani will smack him back to reality again.

Uhhh.. I don't think you get it. Both of them are pretty much on the same page.
I think not.

Sorry this has to come from the Freepers, but the non-liberal press seems to ignore these types of things that don't align with their beliefs:

http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq26e_20050126.htm

Iraq's top candidates back off setting date for U.S. pullout

January 26, 2005






BY HANNAH ALLAM
FREE PRESS FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT



BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Politicians from the two leading tickets in Sunday's Iraqi elections backed away Tuesday from earlier campaign promises to set a deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. forces.


The move underscores concerns that Iraqi troops are nowhere near ready to police their violence-wracked country.


With only days remaining before Iraqi voters choose a national assembly, the decision by leading candidates to forsake any plan to press U.S. troops to leave means the next government will face the same conundrum that plagues current leaders: Iraqi troops can't fight a sophisticated insurgency without the help of U.S. forces, but the United States' presence only fuels the insurgency.


Both interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, who heads a secular slate, and his chief rival, the Shi'ite Muslim-based United Iraqi Alliance, are calling for a gradual transfer of responsibilities from U.S. troops to Iraqi forces. The switch coincides with a U.S. military report this week that about 120,000 U.S. troops would remain in Iraq through 2006.


"I will not set final dates" for a U.S. troop withdrawal "because dates now would be both reckless and dangerous," Allawi said.


The change is especially significant for the United Iraqi Alliance, favored by many to dominate the balloting. Until this week, its campaign materials listed its No. 2 promise as "setting a timetable for the withdrawal of multinational forces from Iraq."


But the alliance rewrote its campaign materials. The second item now reads: "The Iraq we want is capable of protecting its borders and security without depending on foreign forces."


The alliance, tacitly endorsed by Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq's highest-ranking Shi'ite cleric, is expected to draw millions of votes from the country's Shi'ites.



Iraqi transitional laws authorize U.S. forces to remain in Iraq until full democratic elections at the end of the year. Though a clause states the Iraqi government could request an earlier withdrawal, that scenario is improbable.


Sheikh Homam Hamoodi of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the Iran-backed driving force of the United Iraqi Alliance, said the change came with the realization that Iraqi troops aren't ready to take charge.


"The item on the first platform called for a set time for U.S. forces to leave Iraq without taking into consideration the urgent circumstances," Hamoodi said. "The addition calls for an environment when Iraqis will be able to protect themselves, and, when we reach that point, there will be no reason for U.S. forces to stay in Iraq."
 
The change is especially significant for the United Iraqi Alliance, favored by many to dominate the balloting. Until this week, its campaign materials listed its No. 2 promise as "setting a timetable for the withdrawal of multinational forces from Iraq."


But the alliance rewrote its campaign materials. The second item now reads: "The Iraq we want is capable of protecting its borders and security without depending on foreign forces."
Gee...I smell the hand of the Bush.
 
LOL @ Tastseslikechicken's naive worldview.

The US is eventually going to get the boot. End of story. Now that the election is over the time for wanting the US to be gone is even closer. It might not be next month, but eventually they will want the US gone and it's probably going to be before the US is ready. Even a democratic Iraq is not going to be pro-US. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
LOL @ Tastseslikechicken's naive worldview.

The US is eventually going to get the boot. End of story. Now that the election is over the time for wanting the US to be gone is even closer. It might not be next month, but eventually they will want the US gone and it's probably going to be before the US is ready. Even a democratic Iraq is not going to be pro-US. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Wow. You about as comprehending of my statements as the rocks outside my window, though that very well may be an insult to those rocks.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
LOL @ Tastseslikechicken's naive worldview.

The US is eventually going to get the boot. End of story. Now that the election is over the time for wanting the US to be gone is even closer. It might not be next month, but eventually they will want the US gone and it's probably going to be before the US is ready. Even a democratic Iraq is not going to be pro-US. Sorry to burst your bubble.
And he says he's a liberal? Or, at the least, a Libertarian?

Yet he posts links from Freeperville...home of the brownshirts. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Infohawk
LOL @ Tastseslikechicken's naive worldview.

The US is eventually going to get the boot. End of story. Now that the election is over the time for wanting the US to be gone is even closer. It might not be next month, but eventually they will want the US gone and it's probably going to be before the US is ready. Even a democratic Iraq is not going to be pro-US. Sorry to burst your bubble.
And he says he's a liberal? Or, at the least, a Libertarian?

Yet he posts links from Freeperville...home of the brownshirts. :roll:

If the DU had posted that news I'd have been more than happy to link that for you instead. I can't understand why they didn't carry it. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You about as comprehending of my statements ...

Can you blame me with that grammar? 😉 (You asked for it)
Yeah, I can blame you, since it's being used as a transitive verb in that particular sentence and is perfectly correct in its existing grammatical state.

Got grammar? 😛

 
Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Who gives a flying crap what al-Sadr says?

Sistani will smack him back to reality again.

Uhhh.. I don't think you get it. Both of them are pretty much on the same page.

No, you don't get it. Al Sistani supported the elections and the USA.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You [sic] about as comprehending of my statements ...
Can you blame me with that grammar? 😉 (You asked for it)
Yeah, I can blame you, since it's being used as a transitive verb in that particular sentence and is perfectly correct in its existing grammatical state.

Got grammar? 😛
<ahem>

😛
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You [sic] about as comprehending of my statements ...
Can you blame me with that grammar? 😉 (You asked for it)
Yeah, I can blame you, since it's being used as a transitive verb in that particular sentence and is perfectly correct in its existing grammatical state.

Got grammar? 😛
<ahem>

😛
Oops. I futzed the contraction that was supposed to be there.

I thought he was complaining about the use of the word "comprehending" in that fashion.

Bummer. Screwed up. So sorry.

(See how easy that is, conjur.) 😉
 
Sadr needs to hurry up and disappear. I'm stunned the Shiites haven't gotten rid of him yet, having an unofficial firebrand mouthpiece who isn't against murdering fellow clerics sounds kinda counterproductive to me, I dunno.

 
Originally posted by: conjur
You're on a roll...now...just admit your error in that other thread and you'll have pulled a hat trick!
I'm happy you get such delight out of being a spelling Nazi.

Since you refuse to admit your errors, you really have no room to talk though.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
You're on a roll...now...just admit your error in that other thread and you'll have pulled a hat trick!
I'm happy you get such delight out of being a spelling Nazi.

Since you refuse to admit your errors, you really have no room to talk though.
Had I committed one, I'd confess. As it is, your twisted logic is the only issue there.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
You're on a roll...now...just admit your error in that other thread and you'll have pulled a hat trick!
I'm happy you get such delight out of being a spelling Nazi.

Since you refuse to admit your errors, you really have no room to talk though.
Had I committed one, I'd confess. As it is, your twisted logic is the only issue there.
From the other thread:

conjur - "Also, you fail to note that WMDs were the sole justification used to sell the war to the Congress and to the UN. "

TLC - Shows conjur that WMDs were not the "sole" justification used, though admits it was the primary justification.

conjur - /dons soft shoe and begins to dance

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Complain that it's twisted logic. It's not. You were plainly wrong and should admit it. But I expect you'll choose to dance some more.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
You're on a roll...now...just admit your error in that other thread and you'll have pulled a hat trick!
I'm happy you get such delight out of being a spelling Nazi.

Since you refuse to admit your errors, you really have no room to talk though.
Had I committed one, I'd confess. As it is, your twisted logic is the only issue there.
From the other thread:

conjur - "Also, you fail to note that WMDs were the sole justification used to sell the war to the Congress and to the UN. "

TLC - Shows conjur that WMDs were not the "sole" justification used, though admits it was the primary justification.

conjur - /dons soft shoe and begins to dance

---------------------------------------

Complain that it's twisted logic. It's not. You were plainly wrong and should admit it. But I expect you'll choose to dance some more.
Thank you for showing off your twisted logic in your second point.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
You're on a roll...now...just admit your error in that other thread and you'll have pulled a hat trick!
I'm happy you get such delight out of being a spelling Nazi.

Since you refuse to admit your errors, you really have no room to talk though.
Had I committed one, I'd confess. As it is, your twisted logic is the only issue there.
From the other thread:

conjur - "Also, you fail to note that WMDs were the sole justification used to sell the war to the Congress and to the UN. "

TLC - Shows conjur that WMDs were not the "sole" justification used, though admits it was the primary justification.

conjur - /dons soft shoe and begins to dance

---------------------------------------

Complain that it's twisted logic. It's not. You were plainly wrong and should admit it. But I expect you'll choose to dance some more.
Thank you for showing off your twisted logic in your second point.
Oh. Now I see. That's where my logic is twisted. I didn't realize that in conjur's dictionary, "sole" means "many, various, and lots."

Well thanks for clearing that up.
 
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