Al Queda has nukes prepositioned in the US!!?!?!

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: kherman

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: maladroit This article is total BS. Why would a terrorist say this? It makes no sense.

To scare the sh!t out of you, in an attempt to get the people to tell their government to give in to the terrorists rather than getting the US blown to pieces? If they had nukes in the US, they'd have used at least one already. They haven't done that, so they don't have them.

In rsponse to the original post. Al Quada has only one hiding place left.... Iraq. Without Iraq, weeding out Al Quada leadership will be easier.

Only iraq, And Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Yemen and Syria and Indonesia and Iran and on and on. What a curious lack of knowlege on geography you show

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: reitz

Originally posted by: charrison

One more time for the hand wringing appeasing liberals.....

Sorry I have no proof to offer you and I am not sure you would accept any proof given.

Whether he'll accept it or not...why not take him up on the challenge? Is it because you know that you have no proof...or do you fear that actively researching the issue might get in the way of your ill-formed fragile opinions?

It matters not what facts I lay down, they are ignored.

You deny Saddam supports terrorists.

Iraq last sponsored terrorists over two decades ago. The groups formerly sponsored are no longer in existence. The closest credible, modern link would be the payments Saddam makes to the families of Palestinians killed in the conflict with Israel, which includes the families of suicide bombers as well as those of innocent civilians.

And this is a credible link that cannot be denied by anyone. Do any other publically exist. Not that I am aware of. He openly supports terrorism, this is enough evidence in my book.

You deny Senior Al Queda have been spotted in Bahdgad.

No one has ever provided any credible evidence of Al Qaeda members in Bagdad, or any portion of Iraq under the control of Saddam Hussein. The CIA has gone on record stating that the supposed meeting between Al Qaeda leaders and Iraqi intelligence in Prague can not be verified and most likely did not happen. The Czech government made a similar statement within the last two months.

Rumsfeild a few weeks ago announced at a press conference that Senior Alqueda had been spotted in Baghdad. This was not related to the Czech goverment report. Did Rumsfeild announce names and placed and times? No, but he did announce we know. Is he lying, I would, probably not.

You deny Saddam has violated every term of the Gulf was cease fire.

Saddam has not violated "every term" of the cease-fire agreement. I don't see anyone here denying that he's violated the terms that were just reinforced by the Security Council.

He has broken far more than he as honored.

You deny Saddam is a menace to our troops stationed there and the region.

How is Saddam a "menace" to our troops stationed in the region? Since the close of hostilities during the Gulf War, has he ever attacked our troops? Has he ever threatened them?

Why do you think our troops are stationed over there? To protect the area. Therefore he is a menace to the area. It is really quite simple.

Bin Laden is most likely dead. It was announced today that the tape was most likely a fake.

Bullshit. It is the position of the Bush Regime that the voice on the tape is most likely bin Laden's, pending final analysis of the tapes by the NSA.

We do have more than one target, and fortunatly we can and do multitask.

We do...and currently the Bush Regime is largely ignoring the difficult-to-destroy (and, IMAO more important) targets in favor of a likely cakewalk in Iraq and a domestic approval ratings bonanza.

Which targets do you speaks of?

I've noticed that you're constantly posting your assertions about Iraq in threads here, yet you never support your claims with any sources...Why is that?

If i could provided a reference to sunday morning talk show when rumsfeild said there have been senior Alqueda spotted in Baghdad I would. I provided evidence when I can. The post you responded to contained information that is common knowledge to anyone that watches news regularly. I will see if i can dig up the rumsfeild quote and number of cease fire items broken by Saddam. But otherwise I stand by what I have I said.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Charrison, you are right that you cannot change my mind. If the evidence that we are to engage in war is that Rumsfeld says that someone knows someone met somewhere sometime, that is not evidence. I take it you have not been around long enough to remember the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. You may know why I bring it up. Rumsfeld is cut from the same mold as McNamara IMO

 

[kherman]

It's to bad the Al Quada idiot doesn't understand how mney works. it's a convenient barter system. The economy will not fail. It may be adversly effected, but one will still be able to trade a goods for service and services for food and entertainment for services. It's just a medium for bartering. That's why money was created in the first place. This Al Quada guy has a masters in finance. THat's great, he can be a stock broker, but most of those guys know less abouthte market thanI do.

 

[bizmark]

Originally posted by: kherman

It's to bad the Al Quada idiot doesn't understand how mney works. it's a convenient barter system. The economy will not fail. It may be adversly effected, but one will still be able to trade a goods for service and services for food and entertainment for services. It's just a medium for bartering. That's why money was created in the first place. This Al Quada guy has a masters in finance. THat's great, he can be a stock broker, but most of those guys know less abouthte market thanI do.

Yeah but what happens when lines of communication are disrupted? What happens when oil refineries are shut down or destroyed? What happens when the gas stations run out of gas? How will food get to the cities? How many Americans live within 50 miles of a bountiful, renewable supply of food? Farming in America has become so specialized that I doubt that even most farmers would be able to live completely off of the land around them. What happens when people start rioting in the cities, looting stores because that's the only way they can get food? What happens when that food runs out? How many months do you think we could last before large-scale starvation occurs? Of course all of these problems would be compounded with a large strike against our government, which is obviously likely to occur.

This is a clear case against globalization and geographic specialization in general. We've moved so much of our production to specific places that if lines of transportation are broken (and a breakdown in even a few chokepoints (i.e. major ports) could result in a very large % reduction in capacity) then people start to go without being able to meet their basic needs. Autonomy has been sacrificed, and when the sh|t hits the fan it'll mean a tougher time for us all. Let's hope to God that that doesn't happen, but I, for one, will be prepared if it does. And no, I ain't gonna share.

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: bizmark

Originally posted by: kherman

It's to bad the Al Quada idiot doesn't understand how mney works. it's a convenient barter system. The economy will not fail. It may be adversly effected, but one will still be able to trade a goods for service and services for food and entertainment for services. It's just a medium for bartering. That's why money was created in the first place. This Al Quada guy has a masters in finance. THat's great, he can be a stock broker, but most of those guys know less abouthte market thanI do.

Yeah but what happens when lines of communication are disrupted? What happens when oil refineries are shut down or destroyed? What happens when the gas stations run out of gas? How will food get to the cities? How many Americans live within 50 miles of a bountiful, renewable supply of food? Farming in America has become so specialized that I doubt that even most farmers would be able to live completely off of the land around them. What happens when people start rioting in the cities, looting stores because that's the only way they can get food? What happens when that food runs out? How many months do you think we could last before large-scale starvation occurs? Of course all of these problems would be compounded with a large strike against our government, which is obviously likely to occur.

This is a clear case against globalization and geographic specialization in general. We've moved so much of our production to specific places that if lines of transportation are broken (and a breakdown in even a few chokepoints (i.e. major ports) could result in a very large % reduction in capacity) then people start to go without being able to meet their basic needs. Autonomy has been sacrificed, and when the sh|t hits the fan it'll mean a tougher time for us all. Let's hope to God that that doesn't happen, but I, for one, will be prepared if it does. And no, I ain't gonna share.

if the world gets to that point.id rather be dead.

 

[kherman]

Originally posted by: bizmark

Originally posted by: kherman

It's to bad the Al Quada idiot doesn't understand how mney works. it's a convenient barter system. The economy will not fail. It may be adversly effected, but one will still be able to trade a goods for service and services for food and entertainment for services. It's just a medium for bartering. That's why money was created in the first place. This Al Quada guy has a masters in finance. THat's great, he can be a stock broker, but most of those guys know less abouthte market thanI do.

Yeah but what happens when lines of communication are disrupted? What happens when oil refineries are shut down or destroyed? What happens when the gas stations run out of gas? How will food get to the cities? How many Americans live within 50 miles of a bountiful, renewable supply of food? Farming in America has become so specialized that I doubt that even most farmers would be able to live completely off of the land around them. What happens when people start rioting in the cities, looting stores because that's the only way they can get food? What happens when that food runs out? How many months do you think we could last before large-scale starvation occurs? Of course all of these problems would be compounded with a large strike against our government, which is obviously likely to occur.

This is a clear case against globalization and geographic specialization in general. We've moved so much of our production to specific places that if lines of transportation are broken (and a breakdown in even a few chokepoints (i.e. major ports) could result in a very large % reduction in capacity) then people start to go without being able to meet their basic needs. Autonomy has been sacrificed, and when the sh|t hits the fan it'll mean a tougher time for us all. Let's hope to God that that doesn't happen, but I, for one, will be prepared if it does. And no, I ain't gonna share.

If this happens, we're all F'd.

Truth is, alot more damage would have to occur than 10 mukes could cause to break down transportation to the appocoliptic levels ou speak of.

 

[bizmark]

Originally posted by: kherman
Truth is, alot more damage would have to occur than 10 mukes could cause to break down transportation to the appocoliptic levels ou speak of.

Okay, so how much of our oil comes from out of the country? (All of these numbers here are off the top of my head, but I'll at least be within an order of magnitude.) I'll say 80%. Where does it enter the country? Most (90%?) of it enters the U.S. in 4 major ports, e.g. Houston, NY, LA, New Orleans. So that's 72% of our nation's transportation capacity entering the country through 4 cities. Blowing up and blocking these ports could easily be accomplished with the use of 4 nukes. And then destroying the refineries, which often are close by, would even further damage our capacity. Okay, so we've got reserves... but how long could those really last? More importantly, how accessible are they? I know we've got pipelines, but there's not nearly enough of them to cover the whole country. So we're wasting gas to take gas to other places. And then how likely do you think the gov't is to sell this reserve oil to civilians when there's such a state of emergency?

Again, these numbers were pulled straight out of my ass, but I think I've illustrated, without major logical leaps or extremely radical assumptions, that with a few hits in key locations, our transportation system would be severely disrupted, to the extent that food supply problems would start building up within months.

And no, repairs to heavily radiated areas cannot be achieved within a matter of months. Could some of the transport capacity be transferred elsewhere? Sure. But again as a result of the specialization we've achieved through economies of scale, that extreme amount of capacity simply isn't available anywhere else. And that's assuming that we're still getting oil from these other countries, the majority of which are Muslim, meaning the US's relationship with them would be severely destabilized after such an attack, possibly leading to embargoes or boycotts.

I'm seriously trying to be as realistic as possible here, so if any of my assumptions were way off-base, please correct me.

 

[dmcowen674]

OK folks, we all know the article was pulled from the WorldNetDaily.com website supposedly because it is a hoax.
Now was it really pulled because it could cause panic is another story. The scenario in itself could be very real just as any scenario could be real, we live on a planet full of nuts, plain and simple.
Now back to the article at hand. An unusual situation occurred in Atlanta Wednesday November 13th 2002 a day before this article came out. A flat bed trailer with an Ocean ship container on it had the container fall off the truck onto a car and the roadway right in the middle of where the Interstate runs through Atlanta! I do not know and have not seen any information about the truck driver and or the cargo that was in that container. The incident disappeared from the local news very quickly. Could the container have had nuclear warhead in it? If it did and for some reason it didn?t detonate. We will probably never know.
First of all trucks are prohibited from the Interstate that runs through Atlanta unless making a local delivery in the City, all trucks are instructed to take the Atlanta Interstate bypass I-285. Hard to imagine a Cargo Container being a local delivery. Second, those things are normally chained very securely with multiple chains, they all failed at once??? Something to think about.

 

[Red Dawn]

Bombs set off in San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Boston, New York,New Orleans and Galveston would bring our economy to a dead stop. They don't even have to be large bombs. In fact Dirty Bombs would be extremely effective.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
OK folks, we all know the article was pulled from the WorldNetDaily.com website supposedly because it is a hoax.
Now was it really pulled because it could cause panic is another story. The scenario in itself could be very real just as any scenario could be real, we live on a planet full of nuts, plain and simple.
Now back to the article at hand. An unusual situation occurred in Atlanta Wednesday November 20th 2002 a day before this article came out. A flat bed trailer with an Ocean ship container on it had the container fall off the truck onto a car and the roadway right in the middle of where the Interstate runs through Atlanta! I do not know and have not seen any information about the truck driver and or the cargo that was in that container. The incident disappeared from the local news very quickly. Could the container have had nuclear warhead in it? If it did and for some reason it didn?t detonate. We will probably never know.
First of all trucks are prohibited from the Interstate that runs through Atlanta unless making a local delivery in the City, all trucks are instructed to take the Atlanta Interstate bypass I-285. Hard to imagine a Cargo Container being a local delivery. Second, those things are normally chained very securely with multiple chains, they all failed at once??? Something to think about.

That "article" and I use the term loosely, isn't meant to cause panic. It is meant to show the stupidity of the tards that believe it. It also shows, to me at least, that someone out there has a sick sense of humor. Yeah I'm real surprised about that.

 

[Red Dawn]

Well even if it's a Hoax which is likely, it's best to be prepared for such a scenario.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: element®

Originally posted by: dmcowen674 OK folks, we all know the article was pulled from the WorldNetDaily.com website supposedly because it is a hoax. Now was it really pulled because it could cause panic is another story. The scenario in itself could be very real just as any scenario could be real, we live on a planet full of nuts, plain and simple. Now back to the article at hand. An unusual situation occurred in Atlanta Wednesday November 20th 2002 a day before this article came out. A flat bed trailer with an Ocean ship container on it had the container fall off the truck onto a car and the roadway right in the middle of where the Interstate runs through Atlanta! I do not know and have not seen any information about the truck driver and or the cargo that was in that container. The incident disappeared from the local news very quickly. Could the container have had nuclear warhead in it? If it did and for some reason it didn?t detonate. We will probably never know. First of all trucks are prohibited from the Interstate that runs through Atlanta unless making a local delivery in the City, all trucks are instructed to take the Atlanta Interstate bypass I-285. Hard to imagine a Cargo Container being a local delivery. Second, those things are normally chained very securely with multiple chains, they all failed at once??? Something to think about.

That "article" and I use the term loosely, isn't meant to cause panic. It is meant to show the stupidity of the tards that believe it. It also shows, to me at least, that someone out there has a sick sense of humor. Yeah I'm real surprised about that.

But notice the panic anyway, and how it expresses itself. Reality does not matter, but perception does.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: charrison
Rumsfeild a few weeks ago announced at a press conference that Senior Alqueda had been spotted in Baghdad. This was not related to the Czech goverment report.

And like a good flag-waving patriot that you are, you blindly accept everything your government tells you? If I were in charge, what would I do in order to convince the voters that our war for oil... sorry, war against that evil Saddam, is called for? I would just say that Al-Qaida has bases in Iraq and they are working with Saddam. I would also drop hints that "Iraq is planning to destroy USA". Then I would just sit back and watch as the people start shouting "We must invade Iraq NOW!".

Gotta have some gasoline for those SUV's you see.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well even if it's a Hoax which is likely, it's best to be prepared for such a scenario.

My liquor, gun, and food cabinets are all stocked. But I might have to raid some mormans house if things get to rough.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: charrison
Rumsfeild a few weeks ago announced at a press conference that Senior Alqueda had been spotted in Baghdad. This was not related to the Czech goverment report.

And like a good flag-waving patriot that you are, you blindly accept everything your government tells you? If I were in charge, what would I do in order to convince the voters that our war for oil... sorry, war against that evil Saddam, is called for? I would just say that Al-Qaida has bases in Iraq and they are working with Saddam. I would also drop hints that "Iraq is planning to destroy USA". Then I would just sit back and watch as the people start shouting "We must invade Iraq NOW!".

Gotta have some gasoline for those SUV's you see.

If they don't like Saddam why didn't they take him out the first time when already in there during Desert Storm, no they pulled out in a very strange way. Why is any Dictator left to dictate? Why is Castro still there and on and on.... They are left there so Government "leaders", I use that term loosely, can continue to play their games. Their games cost lives, and not just military lives.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: kherman

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: maladroit
This article is total BS. Why would a terrorist say this? It makes no sense.

To scare the sh!t out of you, in an attempt to get the people to tell their government to give in to the terrorists rather than getting the US blown to pieces?
If they had nukes in the US, they'd have used at least one already. They haven't done that, so they don't have them.

In rsponse to the original post. Al Quada has only one hiding place left.... Iraq. Without Iraq, weeding out Al Quada leadership will be easier.

Bull$hit, Have you forgot where half of the al quada came from? Pakistan while technically being on our side is composed by over half a population of sypathizers for the downtrodden and helpless Muslim terrorist. Egypt has a fair number of people who support suicide bombing as well regardless of the target. There are alot of countries over there that could be hiding Bin Laden. My guess is Pakistan because they have a higher population of hate lovers.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: charrison
Rumsfeild a few weeks ago announced at a press conference that Senior Alqueda had been spotted in Baghdad. This was not related to the Czech goverment report.

And like a good flag-waving patriot that you are, you blindly accept everything your government tells you? If I were in charge, what would I do in order to convince the voters that our war for oil... sorry, war against that evil Saddam, is called for? I would just say that Al-Qaida has bases in Iraq and they are working with Saddam. I would also drop hints that "Iraq is planning to destroy USA". Then I would just sit back and watch as the people start shouting "We must invade Iraq NOW!".

Gotta have some gasoline for those SUV's you see.

If they don't like Saddam why didn't they take him out the first time when already in there during Desert Storm, no they pulled out in a very strange way. Why is any Dictator left to dictate? Why is Castro still there and on and on.... They are left there so Government "leaders", I use that term loosely, can continue to play their games. Their games cost lives, and not just military lives.

Casto is still there because Cuba has no oil. But you do have that embargo. Why didn't Bush Senior take out Saddam? Ask him. they have already said that not taking out Saddam during the Desert Storm was a mistake.

 

[lupy]

Iraq is the root of all evil. We must defeat them so the gas prices will come down to 99cents for us, that's what I want! Kill Saddam!!!!

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

oh brother

 

[UberDave]

i'm moving to canada

 

[Reliant]

Why don't Saddam and Bin Laden like eachother?

 

[Kev]

Now back to the article at hand. An unusual situation occurred in Atlanta Wednesday November 20th 2002 a day before this article came out. A flat bed trailer with an Ocean ship container on it had the container fall off the truck onto a car and the roadway right in the middle of where the Interstate runs through Atlanta!

???

OK, Nostrodamus.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: maladroit

Now back to the article at hand. An unusual situation occurred in Atlanta Wednesday November 20th 2002 a day before this article came out. A flat bed trailer with an Ocean ship container on it had the container fall off the truck onto a car and the roadway right in the middle of where the Interstate runs through Atlanta!

???

OK, Nostrodamus.

Ooops, messed up the numbers, thanks, probably some significance to the 13th???

I don't have one of those Nostodamus books, wonder what it has to say of all this?

 

[Gaard]

charrison - <<Quote

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You deny Senior Al Queda have been spotted in Bahdgad.
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No one has ever provided any credible evidence of Al Qaeda members in Bagdad, or any portion of Iraq under the control of Saddam Hussein. The CIA has gone on record stating that the supposed meeting between Al Qaeda leaders and Iraqi intelligence in Prague can not be verified and most likely did not happen. The Czech government made a similar statement within the last two months.

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Rumsfeild a few weeks ago announced at a press conference that Senior Alqueda had been spotted in Baghdad. This was not related to the Czech goverment report. Did Rumsfeild announce names and placed and times? No, but he did announce we know. Is he lying, I would, probably not.>>


You've convinced me, dude.