Al-Queda frustrated??

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I think the American people are equally frustrated. We were hunting al-Qaeda one moment, and then went on a hundred billion dollar goose chase in Iraq the next.

The war in Iraq has done nothing to destroy al-Qaeda...and a lot to strengthen their numbers and their support throughout the globe.

Our homeland is no more secure now than it was 4 years ago.

We're pretty damn arrogant and stupid to have so poorly gone off track from our high point when we were gunning down al-Qaeda in Afghanistan during the winter of 2001.

Have you forgotten we're still in Afghanistan as well? Or did you not support that effort either?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Democracy has never the US's goal in regions. In fact, the US has toppled more democracies than any other country in the world. The US, like every other empire since the dawn of time, is out for power and control. Democracy just happens to be a ruse that the government can use to cover up their handiwork.

Well, we do like to have our military bases strategically placed in countries that have a somewhat friendly goverment. Democracies are preferred.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I think the American people are equally frustrated. We were hunting al-Qaeda one moment, and then went on a hundred billion dollar goose chase in Iraq the next.

The war in Iraq has done nothing to destroy al-Qaeda...and a lot to strengthen their numbers and their support throughout the globe.

Our homeland is no more secure now than it was 4 years ago.

We're pretty damn arrogant and stupid to have so poorly gone off track from our high point when we were gunning down al-Qaeda in Afghanistan during the winter of 2001.

Have you forgotten we're still in Afghanistan as well? Or did you not support that effort either?

Yes, and so is OBL (or maybe Pakistan).

Afghanistan != Iraq

Saddam != OBL

 

[maluckey]

Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but it sounds an awful lot like you think we think like the terrorists. I certainly hope we can rise above that level of thinking, or even if we win, we'll loose.

Rainsford,

I happen to agree. It is with no emotion whatsoever that I admit that I am of the same species as those (terrorists) who would kill me for my way of life. They think like me, have families like me and even might like the same television program as me. What makes "good guys" in comparison to the terrorist is the simple fact that the "good guy" aims for the terrorist, not his family, friends or other non-involved parties.

On a philisophical note, you can only hope that when it is all over, that the rain can still wash you clean..........

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I think the American people are equally frustrated. We were hunting al-Qaeda one moment, and then went on a hundred billion dollar goose chase in Iraq the next.

The war in Iraq has done nothing to destroy al-Qaeda...and a lot to strengthen their numbers and their support throughout the globe.

Our homeland is no more secure now than it was 4 years ago.

We're pretty damn arrogant and stupid to have so poorly gone off track from our high point when we were gunning down al-Qaeda in Afghanistan during the winter of 2001.

Have you forgotten we're still in Afghanistan as well? Or did you not support that effort either?

I support not half-assing our response to the most important event of the decade. Four years later, OBL is still running al-Qaeda with his worldwide terrorist network as capable as ever (just look at Madrid and London), opium production in Afghanistan is exceeding pre-9/11 levels, the Taliban still have influence in more remote areas of Afghanistan, etc.

We half-ass Afghanistan and now we're half-assing Iraq. What's next guys?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: orion23
I have never liked those crazy believers of GOD.
It is not acceptable that they can judge the sinners (everybody but them) and assume that their job on earth is to terminate all evil.
These people are dangerous, the least we should do is kick them all out and never let them in again into the country.

Not our job to judge. That is the job of God. We limit ourselves to setting the court date!

 

[Xonoahbin]

Most of us don't get it. Al Qaeda is extremely weak or else they would be ready to attack when we're weakest- which is while we're in the direct aftermath of Katrina. I'm glad to know Al Qaeda doesn't have the resources to really get on us at the moment.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: NeonAura
Most of us don't get it. Al Qaeda is extremely weak or else they would be ready to attack when we're weakest- which is while we're in the direct aftermath of Katrina. I'm glad to know Al Qaeda doesn't have the resources to really get on us at the moment.

You have no clue how al-Qaeda operates. The CIA experts, the ones who were specifically assigned to track OBL and al-Qaeda, know that al-Qaeda doesn't attack within a period of a day, week, or even a month. They plan their attacks a year or YEARS in advance. That is why their attacks are completely unpredictable...because they don't use typical military strategy in their attacks.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

Rather convenient this new tape comes in in English and right on 9/11.

Care to elaborate?

I see it one of two ways myself. Either they despise more what they perceive as an immoral Left, or rather, they despise more the imperialism of the Right, and are just bad strategists (i.e., attacking mostly Left-leaning cities).

Nonetheless, I await for futher explanation of your post.

I'm pretty sure they could care less about who is a Democract and who is a Republican. The WTC is the center of our comrice and the Pentigonis the the center of our might. It seems obvius to me they have been attacking our imperialism, though it is hard to say what they could have their eye on in L.A.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I think the American people are equally frustrated. We were hunting al-Qaeda one moment, and then went on a hundred billion dollar goose chase in Iraq the next.

The war in Iraq has done nothing to destroy al-Qaeda...and a lot to strengthen their numbers and their support throughout the globe.

Our homeland is no more secure now than it was 4 years ago.

We're pretty damn arrogant and stupid to have so poorly gone off track from our high point when we were gunning down al-Qaeda in Afghanistan during the winter of 2001.

Have you forgotten we're still in Afghanistan as well? Or did you not support that effort either?

Will either one of them be completed?

will we have changed their minds philosophically, religiously and politically

Is there even a chance to create an Economy in Afghanistan that could sustain a Democracy

 

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

New York, Republican? Half the people in this city would bend over and take it ITB from OBL himself they are so liberal. This has to be the only place on Earth outside of the Middle East where in October 2001 people were protesting going to Afghanistan. They really attacked the wrong city unless their intention was to get a bunch of whiny liberals to sympathize with them.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

New York, Republican? Half the people in this city would bend over and take it ITB from OBL himself they are so liberal. This has to be the only place on Earth outside of the Middle East where in October 2001 people were protesting going to Afghanistan. They really attacked the wrong city unless their intention was to get a bunch of whiny liberals to sympathize with them.

I feel like I shouldn't have to tell you this, but in a place like New York, you can get a group of people to protest almost anything. That doesn't mean they represent the views of the rest of the residents. I'm sure the majority of New Yorkers wouldn't "bend over" for the terrorists, starting with those in the towers on 9/11. I'd ask them about it, but they seem to be dead.

Seriously, the only way you could be more of a jackass is if you had posted this yesterday...

 

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I feel like I shouldn't have to tell you this, but in a place like New York, you can get a group of people to protest almost anything. That doesn't mean they represent the views of the rest of the residents. I'm sure the majority of New Yorkers wouldn't "bend over" for the terrorists, starting with those in the towers on 9/11. I'd ask them about it, but they seem to be dead.

Seriously, the only way you could be more of a jackass is if you had posted this yesterday...

No kidding. I was exaggerating, but unless you live in NYC you probably don't realize how rampantly liberal it is. Many people here equate "The War on Terror" to Bush which in turn leads them automatically to oppose the idea. Suddenly terrorists are "freedom fighters" and the USA are "crusasders." Trust me, I hear this BS everyday from people.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I feel like I shouldn't have to tell you this, but in a place like New York, you can get a group of people to protest almost anything. That doesn't mean they represent the views of the rest of the residents. I'm sure the majority of New Yorkers wouldn't "bend over" for the terrorists, starting with those in the towers on 9/11. I'd ask them about it, but they seem to be dead.

Seriously, the only way you could be more of a jackass is if you had posted this yesterday...

No kidding. I was exaggerating, but unless you live in NYC you probably don't realize how rampantly liberal it is. Many people here equate "The War on Terror" to Bush which in turn leads them automatically to oppose the idea. Suddenly terrorists are "freedom fighters" and the USA are "crusasders." Trust me, I hear this BS everyday from people.

Oh I agree people have some weird ideas, but I doubt New York as a whole is pro terrorist or anything. Hell, I used to live in San Francisco, and as liberal as that city is, I think most people there still weren't exactly in the bin Laden fan club.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

New York, Republican? Half the people in this city would bend over and take it ITB from OBL himself they are so liberal. This has to be the only place on Earth outside of the Middle East where in October 2001 people were protesting going to Afghanistan. They really attacked the wrong city unless their intention was to get a bunch of whiny liberals to sympathize with them.

I feel like I shouldn't have to tell you this, but in a place like New York, you can get a group of people to protest almost anything. That doesn't mean they represent the views of the rest of the residents. I'm sure the majority of New Yorkers wouldn't "bend over" for the terrorists, starting with those in the towers on 9/11. I'd ask them about it, but they seem to be dead.

Seriously, the only way you could be more of a jackass is if you had posted this yesterday...

NYC is very Blue, remember?

 

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Oh I agree people have some weird ideas, but I doubt New York as a whole is pro terrorist or anything. Hell, I used to live in San Francisco, and as liberal as that city is, I think most people there still weren't exactly in the bin Laden fan club.

I wouldn't go as far to say pro-terrorist but many are bordering on sympathetic. You get a lot of, "Terrorism is a reaction to years of Western aggression against the Middle East," but if you dare say in retort something like, "Western aggression is a reaction to years of Islamic aggression against the West," you're somehow considered a bigot.

I somehow think that if the terrorists were a bunch of evil white people like the Nazis liberals wouldn't try so hard to sympathize with them.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Oh I agree people have some weird ideas, but I doubt New York as a whole is pro terrorist or anything. Hell, I used to live in San Francisco, and as liberal as that city is, I think most people there still weren't exactly in the bin Laden fan club.

I wouldn't go as far to say pro-terrorist but many are bordering on sympathetic. You get a lot of, "Terrorism is a reaction to years of Western aggression against the Middle East," but if you dare say in retort something like, "Western aggression is a reaction to years of Islamic aggression against the West," you're somehow considered a bigot.

I somehow think that if the terrorists were a bunch of evil white people like the Nazis liberals wouldn't try so hard to sympathize with them.

I just think liberals try to appease anyone they are scared of. Like that will work!

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

Rather convenient this new tape comes in in English and right on 9/11.

Care to elaborate?

I see it one of two ways myself. Either they despise more what they perceive as an immoral Left, or rather, they despise more the imperialism of the Right, and are just bad strategists (i.e., attacking mostly Left-leaning cities).

Nonetheless, I await for futher explanation of your post.

LOL I don't think Al-Qaeda cares if the cities they are attacking are left or right leaning. DC and NY were attacked because of their importance, not because of the political alignment of it's citizens. You're so blinded by partisan politics it's not funny.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
If you ask half the people in this country, this is a holy war between the Christians and the Muslims.

If you ask the terrorists they will say the same thing.

 

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: EatSpam
If you ask half the people in this country, this is a holy war between the Christians and the Muslims.

If you ask the terrorists they will say the same thing.

Actually they'd blame the Jews. The slur for the American troops in Iraq is "The Jews."

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

New York, Republican? Half the people in this city would bend over and take it ITB from OBL himself they are so liberal. This has to be the only place on Earth outside of the Middle East where in October 2001 people were protesting going to Afghanistan. They really attacked the wrong city unless their intention was to get a bunch of whiny liberals to sympathize with them.

I feel like I shouldn't have to tell you this, but in a place like New York, you can get a group of people to protest almost anything. That doesn't mean they represent the views of the rest of the residents. I'm sure the majority of New Yorkers wouldn't "bend over" for the terrorists, starting with those in the towers on 9/11. I'd ask them about it, but they seem to be dead.

Seriously, the only way you could be more of a jackass is if you had posted this yesterday...

NYC is very Blue, remember?

Oh yes, I forgot, in the world of action movie foreign policy and "Support the troops" ribbons, liberal=terrorist supporters...

How do you manage to dress yourself in the morning? Seriously...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Oh I agree people have some weird ideas, but I doubt New York as a whole is pro terrorist or anything. Hell, I used to live in San Francisco, and as liberal as that city is, I think most people there still weren't exactly in the bin Laden fan club.

I wouldn't go as far to say pro-terrorist but many are bordering on sympathetic. You get a lot of, "Terrorism is a reaction to years of Western aggression against the Middle East," but if you dare say in retort something like, "Western aggression is a reaction to years of Islamic aggression against the West," you're somehow considered a bigot.

I somehow think that if the terrorists were a bunch of evil white people like the Nazis liberals wouldn't try so hard to sympathize with them.

Hmm, you may have a good point about the attitude there, but I also think that the "kill 'em all" attitude isn't the only one you can have if you really want to defeat terrorism. It could be possible that you sympathize with their motivations and even want to try and understand their thinking, while also wanting to make sure 9/11 never happens again.

 

[kylebisme]

Exactly, and putting a conclusion to Western aggression against the Middle East can obviously support that cause; and ending Western exploitation of the Middle East could go a long way toward meeting that goal as well.

 

[maluckey]

And vice versus can work as well. But we don't want to hear about that.

 

[kylebisme]

I'm up for talking about it, but if you want to talk about it then you need to take the lead; I am honestly not famliar with Middle Eastern exploitation of the West but I think it would be interesting to see your views on such a topic.