Al-Queda frustrated??

[maluckey]

Al-Queda leader frustrated and think that the West doesn't "get it".....

I think the West "gets it" just fine. It is Al-Queda that doesn't understand that the West is out for blood, not to save face or prove a political or religious point. At this point, the West has a reason to unify against a common enemy. It has always been the downfall of other nations that think that the United States and other Western nations "don;t get it". The Japanese, Germans, Panamanians, Grenada, Iraq, Bosnia and Russia all though the same. It didn't serve them well, and it won't serve Al-Queda very well either.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They don't understand us, we don't get them, and no one seems to understand that out of frustration and impotence we attack others who have nothing to do with us in a substantial fashion.

And so the world goes down the toilet.

Like the song says.

" Well we may be going to hell in a bucket baby, but at least I'm enjoying the ride."

 

[EatSpam]

If you ask half the people in this country, this is a holy war between the Christians and the Muslims.

 

[orion23]

I have never liked those crazy believers of GOD.
It is not acceptable that they can judge the sinners (everybody but them) and assume that their job on earth is to terminate all evil.
These people are dangerous, the least we should do is kick them all out and never let them in again into the country.

 

[bamacre]

New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: orion23
I have never liked those crazy believers of GOD.
It is not acceptable that they can judge the sinners (everybody but them) and assume that their job on earth is to terminate all evil.
These people are dangerous, the least we should do is kick them all out and never let them in again into the country.

So you want to kick every religious person out of the country?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: orion23
I have never liked those crazy believers of GOD.
It is not acceptable that they can judge the sinners (everybody but them) and assume that their job on earth is to terminate all evil.
These people are dangerous, the least we should do is kick them all out and never let them in again into the country.

Perhaps you should extend that to not liking people at all. You see you can eliminate religion, and you have Stalin. Wonderful guy he was. Of course there are those who do evil in God's name.

The common factor is that people are still animals bent on social domination, and killing one another isn't only necessary, but enjoyable.

Odd thing is that society ignores this fact, and fosters the belief that we shouldn't go around destroying our neighbor.

So how do we handle it?

Have a cause! It can be religion, Communism, Democracy, oil, you name it. All you have to do is convince enough people that it's a good idea, and they will foam at the mouth to have the deed done.

Basically people are savage animals not enough removed from their biological origins.

We are consummate predators, and having defeated all other life, we prey on each other.

That's what we do.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Al-Queda leader frustrated and think that the West doesn't "get it".....

I think the West "gets it" just fine. It is Al-Queda that doesn't understand that the West is out for blood, not to save face or prove a political or religious point. At this point, the West has a reason to unify against a common enemy. It has always been the downfall of other nations that think that the United States and other Western nations "don;t get it". The Japanese, Germans, Panamanians, Grenada, Iraq, Bosnia and Russia all though the same. It didn't serve them well, and it won't serve Al-Queda very well either.

I think Al-Queda is frustrated (good!), but I do think that we don't get "it" (not the same it terrorist boy is talking about). In a large part, we as Americans do not understand the feelings of the Muslim world. It's not about terrorism or anything so violent as that, but we don't understand their culture or the reason terrorism exists there in the first place. Tough guy bullsh!t aside, winning the war on terror is about more than being "out for blood", it's about dealing with the root causes just as much as it is about dealing with the terrorists themselves.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: maluckey
Al-Queda leader frustrated and think that the West doesn't "get it".....

I think the West "gets it" just fine. It is Al-Queda that doesn't understand that the West is out for blood, not to save face or prove a political or religious point. At this point, the West has a reason to unify against a common enemy. It has always been the downfall of other nations that think that the United States and other Western nations "don;t get it". The Japanese, Germans, Panamanians, Grenada, Iraq, Bosnia and Russia all though the same. It didn't serve them well, and it won't serve Al-Queda very well either.

I think Al-Queda is frustrated (good!), but I do think that we don't get "it" (not the same it terrorist boy is talking about). In a large part, we as Americans do not understand the feelings of the Muslim world. It's not about terrorism or anything so violent as that, but we don't understand their culture or the reason terrorism exists there in the first place. Tough guy bullsh!t aside, winning the war on terror is about more than being "out for blood", it's about dealing with the root causes just as much as it is about dealing with the terrorists themselves.

Yup. Didn't read the article, but agree with you, the "West" certainly does not get it. Doesn't mean that AQ does, but all it means is that both sides have their "reasons" and that's all that's required for the Dance of Death.

 

[edfcmc]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Al-Queda leader frustrated and think that the West doesn't "get it".....

I think the West "gets it" just fine. It is Al-Queda that doesn't understand that the West is out for blood, not to save face or prove a political or religious point. At this point, the West has a reason to unify against a common enemy. It has always been the downfall of other nations that think that the United States and other Western nations "don;t get it". The Japanese, Germans, Panamanians, Grenada, Iraq, Bosnia and Russia all though the same. It didn't serve them well, and it won't serve Al-Queda very well either.

you left out korea and vietnam.

 

[maluckey]

The issue is that the average Joe Western guy is just wanting some butt to kick, and doesn't seem to care much as to why they act as they (extremists) do.

The West certainly does not understand their (extremist) feelings, nor do they seem overly concerned about them, any more than they (the extremists) seem to concern themselves with ours. This leads to a deadly disconnect, and death on both sides.

There is no true solution given the Western mindset, other than for the "terrorists" to go home and live to fight another day. The West will not quit so long as they percieve an enemy. It is the reason that the Japanese demonized/feared the West during WWII. The Western mindset is to destroy beyond hope of recovery, not just beat their enemy. It was evidenced in the Crusades, and not much has changed. The West does not care about saving face, or appeasement, and does not generally capitulate. They ether win by their standards, or die trying.

I for one would like to see all parties just quit and go home, but being a realist, I know that it isn't likely to happen. The terrorists cannot "win" at all. They cannot even effect the change that they desire. They fight because it is what they believe in, and it is the same reason that the West fights. The difference being one has popular support, and loads of money and equipment.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I wouldn't call Adam Gadahn an "al Qaeda leader." He's more of a brainwashed moron IMO, and I don't believe there's any evidence to indicate that he leads anyone. I assume the reason they let him record these tapes is that he speaks English clearly. If I were al Qaeda's publicist, I'd suggest they find someone else, because the "Azam the American" tapes always just sound funny to me.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: maluckey
The issue is that the average Joe Western guy is just wanting some butt to kick, and doesn't seem to care much as to why they act as they (extremists) do.

The West certainly does not understand their (extremist) feelings, nor do they seem overly concerned about them, any more than they (the extremists) seem to concern themselves with ours. This leads to a deadly disconnect, and death on both sides.

There is no true solution given the Western mindset, other than for the "terrorists" to go home and live to fight another day. The West will not quit so long as they percieve an enemy. It is the reason that the Japanese demonized/feared the West during WWII. The Western mindset is to destroy beyond hope of recovery, not just beat their enemy. It was evidenced in the Crusades, and not much has changed. The West does not care about saving face, or appeasement, and does not generally capitulate. They ether win by their standards, or die trying.

I for one would like to see all parties just quit and go home, but being a realist, I know that it isn't likely to happen. The terrorists cannot "win" at all. They cannot even effect the change that they desire. They fight because it is what they believe in, and it is the same reason that the West fights. The difference being one has popular support, and loads of money and equipment.

Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but it sounds an awful lot like you think we think like the terrorists. I certainly hope we can rise above that level of thinking, or even if we win, we'll loose.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

Rather convenient this new tape comes in in English and right on 9/11.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: edfcmc

Originally posted by: maluckey
Al-Queda leader frustrated and think that the West doesn't "get it".....

I think the West "gets it" just fine. It is Al-Queda that doesn't understand that the West is out for blood, not to save face or prove a political or religious point. At this point, the West has a reason to unify against a common enemy. It has always been the downfall of other nations that think that the United States and other Western nations "don;t get it". The Japanese, Germans, Panamanians, Grenada, Iraq, Bosnia and Russia all though the same. It didn't serve them well, and it won't serve Al-Queda very well either.

you left out korea and vietnam.

Would N Korea and vietnam be better countries had we been able to take them over and put democratic countries in? I think the answer is obviously yes. Just look at the difference between N Korea and S Korea.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

Rather convenient this new tape comes in in English and right on 9/11.

Care to elaborate?

I see it one of two ways myself. Either they despise more what they perceive as an immoral Left, or rather, they despise more the imperialism of the Right, and are just bad strategists (i.e., attacking mostly Left-leaning cities).

Nonetheless, I await for futher explanation of your post.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

Rather convenient this new tape comes in in English and right on 9/11.

Care to elaborate?

I see it one of two ways myself. Either they despise more what they perceive as an immoral Left, or rather, they despise more the imperialism of the Right, and are just bad strategists (i.e., attacking mostly Left-leaning cities).

Nonetheless, I await for futher explanation of your post.

The timing of most of these videos have come right when the Pres. was dropping in the polls or the admin was being accused of something bad (Plamegate, Abu Ghraib, etc.)

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

Rather convenient this new tape comes in in English and right on 9/11.

Care to elaborate?

I see it one of two ways myself. Either they despise more what they perceive as an immoral Left, or rather, they despise more the imperialism of the Right, and are just bad strategists (i.e., attacking mostly Left-leaning cities).

Nonetheless, I await for futher explanation of your post.

The timing of most of these videos have come right when the Pres. was dropping in the polls or the admin was being accused of something bad (Plamegate, Abu Ghraib, etc.)

Yeah, I agree with that, but I just fail to see how that had anything to do with my statement, sarcastic as it is, "New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans." If they hadn't already hit NY and DC, I could see where you're coming from. And I don't think the current drop in his poll numbers had anything to do with the "war on terror."

 

[jpeyton]

I think the American people are equally frustrated. We were hunting al-Qaeda one moment, and then went on a hundred billion dollar goose chase in Iraq the next.

The war in Iraq has done nothing to destroy al-Qaeda...and a lot to strengthen their numbers and their support throughout the globe.

Our homeland is no more secure now than it was 4 years ago.

We're pretty damn arrogant and stupid to have so poorly gone off track from our high point when we were gunning down al-Qaeda in Afghanistan during the winter of 2001.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I think the American people are equally frustrated. We were hunting al-Qaeda one moment, and then went on a hundred billion dollar goose chase in Iraq the next.

The war in Iraq has done nothing to destroy al-Qaeda...and a lot to strengthen their numbers and their support throughout the globe.

Our homeland is no more secure now than it was 4 years ago.

We're pretty damn arrogant and stupid to have so poorly gone off track from our high point when we were gunning down al-Qaeda in Afghanistan during the winter of 2001.

Yep!

:beer:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I think the American people are equally frustrated. We were hunting al-Qaeda one moment, and then went on a hundred billion dollar goose chase in Iraq the next.

The war in Iraq has done nothing to destroy al-Qaeda...and a lot to strengthen their numbers and their support throughout the globe.

Our homeland is no more secure now than it was 4 years ago.

We're pretty damn arrogant and stupid to have so poorly gone off track from our high point when we were gunning down al-Qaeda in Afghanistan during the winter of 2001.

Yep!

:beer:

Seconded! :beer::beer:

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: edfcmc

Originally posted by: maluckey
Al-Queda leader frustrated and think that the West doesn't "get it".....

I think the West "gets it" just fine. It is Al-Queda that doesn't understand that the West is out for blood, not to save face or prove a political or religious point. At this point, the West has a reason to unify against a common enemy. It has always been the downfall of other nations that think that the United States and other Western nations "don;t get it". The Japanese, Germans, Panamanians, Grenada, Iraq, Bosnia and Russia all though the same. It didn't serve them well, and it won't serve Al-Queda very well either.

you left out korea and vietnam.

Would N Korea and vietnam be better countries had we been able to take them over and put democratic countries in? I think the answer is obviously yes. Just look at the difference between N Korea and S Korea.

yea decades of sanction and embargoes vs decades of aid and loans.

Democracy has never the US's goal in regions. In fact, the US has toppled more democracies than any other country in the world. The US, like every other empire since the dawn of time, is out for power and control. Democracy just happens to be a ruse that the government can use to cover up their handiwork.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

Simple logistics, big cities make better targets. And most big cities are not exactly Republican strongholds. Attacking Bumblescum, Texas just isn't going to have the same impact

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

Simple logistics, big cities make better targets. And most big cities are not exactly Republican strongholds. Attacking Bumblescum, Texas just isn't going to have the same impact

Might I suggest Crawford, TX?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: bamacre
New York, DC, and now Los Angeles. Wow, they really hate the Republicans.

Simple logistics, big cities make better targets. And most big cities are not exactly Republican strongholds. Attacking Bumblescum, Texas just isn't going to have the same impact

You know, that may not be as true as we think (I say "we" because I think you're probably right). But wouldn't it be interesting to see them attack smaller right-wing cities or towns. I mean, is their goal to kill as many people as possible, or force Americans to see their rationale (no matter how BS it is) for attacking us? I think as far as strategy, AQ and PNAC are both pretty ignorant. Both of them are failing, and that's a good thing overall. It's just terribly unfortunate so many lives are being trampled upon in their paths.