Al-Qaida No. 2 issues video after Egypt upheaval

[JEDIYoda]

Can anybody see where this is going....
We have idiots who just salivate at the mouth when anybody says anything bad about Islam. Yet you let some nobody make a speech about how Egypt is in its present situation because it deviated from Islam. Or he denounces Democracy as being non religious.....

Yet we have those who claim that Islamic democracy has nothing to do with religion.......

You actually believe the people in Egypt will get a secular elected Democratic government?? Yeah right!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110218/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_al_qaida

CAIRO – Al-Qaida's deputy leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, has issued his first message since the upheaval began in Egypt, saying the country's rule has long "deviated from Islam."


Al-Zawahri, an Egyptian, makes no mention of the wave of protests in Egypt or the toppling last week of longtime leader Hosni Mubarak in the 34-minute video, which the U.S.-based monitoring group SITE says was posted on Islamic militant websites Friday.

Instead, he gives a lecture on Egypt's modern history, blaming Western colonialists for implanting secular, un-Islamic law. He says "the reality of Egypt is the reality of deviation from Islam" and denounces democracy in general as "non-religious." The video is dated to an Islamic month that corresponds with the dates Jan. 5-Feb. 3.

 

[ElFenix]

al-qaida has basically been completely repudiated by the uprising in egypt. dude just saw his entire world view crash and burn and now is trying to pick up the pieces. who the fuck cares what he says? he's got no influence in egypt.

 

[Bateluer]

he's got no influence in egypt.

I'm not so sure about that. I'd wager there's a large number of Islamic fundamentalists in Egypt too.

 

[ElFenix]

I'm not so sure about that. I'd wager there's a large number of Islamic fundamentalists in Egypt too.

yes, but most of them are with the muslim brotherhood, which has nothing to do with AQ (AQ was in part formed by nutters who didn't like the muslim brotherhood's rather peaceful form of jihad).

i'm not even sure how much influence the muslim brotherhood now has. certainly very little with the military, and the street seems to not care for them too much.

 

[Kadarin]

blaming Western colonialists for implanting secular, un-Islamic law. He says "the reality of Egypt is the reality of deviation from Islam" and denounces democracy in general as "non-religious."

It sounds to me like he's right. The difference between me and him, however, is that he values Islam while I do not.

 

[wuliheron]

If you believe everything AQ says then I have some great swamp land for sale in Florida.

 

[ayabe]

Lol, yes the big three religions are in fact not democratic by nature. They would all prefer loyalty to the church, mosque, or synagogue over the community. Consensus? Not so much.

Nothing earth shattering there.

Egypt will end up with a government much like Israel's or others in the middle east. It's not American democracy but it is a form of democracy. As long as the elections are fair then we really shouldn't be concerned.

 

[wuliheron]

As far as I'm concerned it's still just a food riot turned ugly. They've kicked out the current administration and demanded democratic reforms, but the same corrupt establishment is still running everything. Maybe they'll get some democratic reforms, but how long will that last with the same corrupt establishment?

In the French Revolution they cut off the heads of the establishment. In the Russian they killed millions of the establishment, and in the US we at least fought against our own army (we were British citizens). I'll believe these people want real change when they actually create real long lasting change.

 

[Lemon law]

There are far many more republican nut case fundamentalists in the USA than there are Al-Quida or Islamic fundamentalists in Egypt. Please get clue JediY, no one is panicking over Israel. This is all about Egypt.

And because this is a totally new kind of mid-east rebellion never before seen in the history of the world, its very hard to predict the where it will end up in. But IMHO, its seeming being managed very well by the Egyptian military and the protesters themselves. And in such a process, all voices in Egypt must be heard, its called democracy and freedom of speech. How much Egyptian influence the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Quida, and Islamic fundamentalists will end up having in Egypt remains to be seen, I very much doubt they will end up with much Egyptian voice, but its still not the call of JediY.

 

[Kadarin]

As far as I'm concerned it's still just a food riot turned ugly. They've kicked out the current administration and demanded democratic reforms, but the same corrupt establishment is still running everything. Maybe they'll get some democratic reforms, but how long will that last with the same corrupt establishment?

In the French Revolution they cut off the heads of the establishment. In the Russian they killed millions of the establishment, and in the US we at least fought against our own army (we were British citizens). I'll believe these people want real change when they actually create real long lasting change.

This, tbfh. Protestors toppling a regime doesn't mean much until we see what they replace it with.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Protestors toppling a regime doesn't mean much until we see what they replace it with.

-- and that is what people like TareX and Lemon law do not seem to grasp....

 

[Lemon law]

-- and that is what people like TareX and Lemon law do not seem to grasp....

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JediY, in regime change we never know what we will end up with, its just the way regime change works.

But given how rotten Mubarak was for Egypt, its hard to be pessimistic. Unless we are dealing with only pro-Israeli fan clubbers like JediY, who only sees events from Israeli eyes, and does not give a damn about the Egyptian people. Or anyone else in the entire world for that matter.

But then again, at least Mubarak did speak out in support of the Palestinian people as a critic of Israel, and Israel simply ignored him. And now that Mubarak is toast, suddenly Israel has Mubarak nostalgia.

JediY you have to be a crazy man if you think the Egyptian's who took to the streets against Mubarak were even remotely thinking about what they could do for or against Israel. They were pissed off beyond all belief at Mubarak looting Egypt, Egypt, and Egypt for 30 years.

And now Israel has a problem, after losing its last ally in in the mid-east, what can Israel gasp do to regain the trust of a new Egyptian government?

Get em clue JediY, continued oppression of the Palestinian people will gain zero for Israeli trust in Egypt. Shall this forum call you a whambulance instead?

Or maybe you think, JediY that the entire Western world should militarily intervene on the side of old line military dictators. That way it would be US troops butchering peaceful demomstrators so the old line dictator would not have to bear the stigma of murdering his own people.

 

[bamacre]

-- and that is what people like TareX and Lemon law do not seem to grasp....

Well, what in the hell do you expect? The Egyptian people to overthrow a US puppet only to put up another one? Hell no they aren't going to be very happy with the US, why should they? By keeping Mubarak in power, we haven't exactly been helping them.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

Find Egypt. Population of 80M people, median income of roughly $5500 per year, and we've borrowed tens of billions of dollars from them. I'm sure the Egyptian people thought that a good idea.