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Actually, LWJ is relatively credible as is Michael Yon's blog. See my sig for a third source of fairly straight reporting.
The LWJ article is sourced from other information and appears to be primarily from India. As JOS said, it could very well be ISI in these formations, but then again, how much of ISI is actually Taliban?
Damn! This really is bad! This looks like full-scale civil war. What the hell is wrong with the Pakistani army? The claim to be one of the top 5 forces in the world and they can't control their own terrirtoy? Ridiculous!! And these Wahabis are suicidal maniacs. They are the biggest threat to Islam; more so than the Zionists. When will the Pakistanis realize this and start fighting like a real war which it already has become?!!! What shit we are in. We have 600,000 men but that doesn't seem enough with threats from both the eastern and western borders and terrorists attacking so close to the settled areas!
And the last thing we need is American intervention. Every Pakistani despises America after what it has done in Iraq and is doing to Iran; the Shiahs, the Sunnis, the secularists. It's a pretty dumb tactic by the USA to try and fight every sect at once. Realize NOW that the wahabis are a threat to all including Iran. The basic flaw in American foreign policy is its support for the SA wahabis. You feed billions into SA and they only come to haunt everyone. Iran hates SA; and it's because of Wahabis. It's about time you rethought your strategic alliances in the region. And no-JOS; I'm not going to reply to self-righteous jerks like you.
I'm waiting for the video to load (my internet has become sucky) and just want to clear out that those are the Paramilitary frontier corps and not regular army soldliers.
And the last thing we need is American intervention. Every Pakistani despises America after what it has done in Iraq and is doing to Iran; the Shiahs, the Sunnis, the secularists. It's a pretty dumb tactic by the USA to try and fight every sect at once. Realize NOW that the wahabis are a threat to all including Iran. The basic flaw in American foreign policy is its support for the SA wahabis. You feed billions into SA and they only come to haunt everyone. Iran hates SA; and it's because of Wahabis. It's about time you rethought your strategic alliances in the region. And no-JOS; I'm not going to reply to self-righteous jerks like you.
I'm waiting for the video to load (my internet has become sucky) and just want to clear out that those are the Paramilitary frontier corps and not regular army soldliers.
ISI being Taliban is just propaganda. You can listen to idiots blabbering away without proof if you want. Having said that it IS pretty bad back here. Swat is a settled area unlike the rest of the taliban controlled territory. This is unacceptable. The government recently (1 week) launched a new military operation to take back control of Swat after "negotiations" failed. I'm not convinced that we need to negotiate with terrorists. They are blowing up schools and what not.
There has been enough proof to make the link. If you read sites other than your forced fed Pakistani is the best sites you would see that.
Do you have any reasonable explanation on why nuclear armed nation (nukes are irrelevant, but the army needed to maintain a nuclear arsenal is not) cannot control its own population?
It's because they've never tried. And it's not our own people. Read that article again. Most fighters are foreigns. Uzbeks, arabs, Afghans... It's the same reason why you are having problems in Afghanistan except our government doesn't seem to care!
And why have they not tried? No political motivation to do it?
Why is that? Perhaps there are Taliban sympathizers in the military and ISI which has a reputation for strong arming politicians?
One reason is that everybody is too busy with other issues. The judiciary; possible war with India; the fast failing economy. When put into perspective this seems like the least of our problems. Sadly.
I understand that, but this has been an ongoing issue since the Soviet/Afghan war in regards to Pakistan taking action on the sanctuary. You guys really need politicians with balls who can get the militaries backing to curb the snake that is the ISI since it is now almost too powerful for politicians to handle.
There was no reason to fight them before 9/11. I also think if it weren't for the ISI we would have been licking the ground for India. And the CIA, MOSSAD and RAW aren't showpieces either.
There was plenty of reason to fight them before 9/11 but ISI had its hand in the Afghanistan pot doing the proxy war thing with Iraq, Iran, India and the US. The Taliban is an entity that the ISI helped nurse with the US during the Soviet/Afghan war, the chicken is just comming home to the roost so to speak.
Which is why your idea of "we should deal with our own problems" is such nationalistic pandering bullshit as to be laughable. The US and Pakistan were both responsible for the creation of the Taliban, and working together could pretty much decimate it in short order, but your nationalism is going to be the downfall of your society, since the day it looks like the Taliban are going to get there hands on the country overall, Pakistan will lose its sovereignty.
At the time; The Taliban seemed a much better option for the stability of the region compared to the fighting factions that were there then AFTER the USA abandoned it. We have fired back at the incursions by NATO and USA and we will do it again. Drones are not worth it however. The taliban will get NO support outside the NWFP. The Taliban are pakhtuns and they get support from the pakhtuns for their ethnicity nothing else.
I still think the source of all this is SA.
Potentially, though I would think both should have acted as soon as the true nature of Taliban became realized. SA is to blame, the Taliban and them both were working towards the same goals and playing games by funding terrorists. I still think the nationalistic bullshit needs to be pushed back a bit and both the US and Pakistian go into the sanctuary and take care of business. Than have the US pull out and Paksistain can continue on with its regular life. (Probally for the better with India as well).
Some things are more important than pride. Because you know, as well as I do, that if the country looks like its going to fall to the Taliban, India will attack and ask for the US's help. China and Russia will stand by idly since they are both fearful of internal issues coupled with external Islam extrminism.
The country won't fall to the taliban. There are about 140million people of other ethnicity that will wage war against the taliban if it comes to that. The only supporter of the taliban in Pakistan are the Pakthuns.
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Sour grapes wishful thinking or not, the JOS comment of "But now we got Gen Petreus who is a stupid twat with a political solution.
Bring in General Wesley Clarke, focus on the area at hand and let the airforce do what we do best, after that Petreus can continue to twiddle his thumbs while we fix it.",
simply is not going to happen.
Either Gen Petraeus is going to continue with trying to find some political solution or Obama is going to have to try some radically different approach. What we have is not working. But the Wesley Clark possibility is simply an empty fantasy exceeded only by the JOS claim of "while we fix it."
Bring in General Wesley Clarke, focus on the area at hand and let the airforce do what we do best, after that Petreus can continue to twiddle his thumbs while we fix it.",
simply is not going to happen.
Either Gen Petraeus is going to continue with trying to find some political solution or Obama is going to have to try some radically different approach. What we have is not working. But the Wesley Clark possibility is simply an empty fantasy exceeded only by the JOS claim of "while we fix it."
I guess time will tell. I'm not terribly worries, since either you are right and they stay contained, or they don't and India takes care of them with the US's help. Either way they are not a threat. I actually prefer if they focus more of there means against Pakistanis army, since it will help take pressure off in Afghan.
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