Al Qaeda In Position To Use Nuclear Weapons

[Scotteq]

In one incident in September 2009, two employees at the Rossing Uranium Mine in Namibia smuggled almost half a ton of uranium concentrate powder - yellowcake - out of the compound in plastic bags.

How the fuck do you smuggle out 1000 lbs of yellowcake in plastic bags without getting noticed?

Obviously, they *did* get noticed, or we wouldn't know about it! :sneaky: :awe:


/giggle

 

[spacejamz]

Obviously, they *did* get noticed, or we wouldn't know about it! :sneaky: :awe:


/giggle

getting noticed while it is being smuggled versus afterwards are two totally different things...

 

[Scotteq]

getting noticed while it is being smuggled versus afterwards are two totally different things...

Ssssssshhhhh....

This is P&N: Well Reasoned Common Sense posts should be made in the "Highly Technical" forum. :sneaky:


Shall we "scream" at each other in CAPS now? Or does tomorrow fit your schedule better?

 

[CitizenKain]

if a nuke goes off in a U.S. city, immediate and swift retaliation must be taken by nuking Mecca and Medina.

I know you are a moron and therefore have no proper answer for this, but why?

 

[raymond56]

"Al Qaeda would only nuke somewhere like NYC or San Francisco,"
AL Qaeda won't nuke anywhere in the US. This whole Political war thing going on over there is all about power, control and money for the US.
Homeland, underground Military, CIA, and all of the other covert organizational operations of all of the other world leaders are well aware of what's going on with those folks over there and everywhere else they are in the world.
Stop allowing yourself to be fooled by the propaganda that is being constantly promoted by the media and the governments.

 

[spacejamz]

"Al Qaeda would only nuke somewhere like NYC or San Francisco,"
AL Qaeda won't nuke anywhere in the US. This whole Political war thing going on over there is all about power, control and money for the US.
Homeland, underground Military, CIA, and all of the other covert organizational operations of all of the other world leaders are well aware of what's going on with those folks over there and everywhere else they are in the world.
Stop allowing yourself to be fooled by the propaganda that is being constantly promoted by the media and the governments.

Thank god you cleared that up for us...For a minute there, I thought the World Trade Center/Pentagon attack had nothing to with power, control and money and was their attempt to 'strike down the infidels' or whatever....I am glad no one got hurt in that political battle.

I feel much safer know that you have reassured me that our military and intelligence organizations are aware of all of Al Qaeda's plans all over the globe. I can now sleep easy tonight. [/end saracasm]

 

[blackangst1]

if a nuke goes off in a U.S. city, immediate and swift retaliation must be taken by nuking Mecca and Medina.

In today's wars, there are no morals. We believe the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they are all targets.

~Osama Bin Laden, interview with John Miller ABC May 1998

So you think thats a credible stance?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Thank god you cleared that up for us...For a minute there, I thought the World Trade Center/Pentagon attack had nothing to with power, control and money and was their attempt to 'strike down the infidels' or whatever....I am glad no one got hurt in that political battle.

I feel much safer know that you have reassured me that our military and intelligence organizations are aware of all of Al Qaeda's plans all over the globe. I can now sleep easy tonight. [/end saracasm]

Son, if we had been allowed to do what was needed in Afghanistan instead of being shipped off to Iraq when we had every inch of the ground covered and the entire Taliban with Al Quaeda surrounded, we could have ended this long ago and the 9/11 TERRAR speech would quiet down fairly quickly since most of the threat would be extinguished in a matter of months.

You don't think your own politicians are milking this still, do you? Like they did with Iraq and got the WOT to last by ensuring it wasn't won by removing the troops and air support from where the terrorists really were?

Al Qaueda is a shittly little organisation these days, focus on Al Shahab instead, at least then you'd have a little bit of credibility.

 

[spacejamz]

Son, if we had been allowed to do what was needed in Afghanistan instead of being shipped off to Iraq when we had every inch of the ground covered and the entire Taliban with Al Quaeda surrounded, we could have ended this long ago and the 9/11 TERRAR speech would quiet down fairly quickly since most of the threat would be extinguished in a matter of months.

You don't think your own politicians are milking this still, do you? Like they did with Iraq and got the WOT to last by ensuring it wasn't won by removing the troops and air support from where the terrorists really were?

Al Qaueda is a shittly little organisation these days, focus on Al Shahab instead, at least then you'd have a little bit of credibility.

If you want to split hairs on whatever radical Islamist group from the Middle East that wants to destroy everything non-Islam is called, be my guest...

The fact remains that nothing would make them happier than causing terror and/or destruction in any way, manner, shape or form to the United States and our allies...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

If you want to split hairs on whatever radical Islamist group from the Middle East that wants to destroy everything non-Islam is called, be my guest...

The fact remains that nothing would make them happier than causing terror and/or destruction in any way, manner, shape or form to the United States and our allies...

Eh, Al Shahab isn't from the ME and neither is Al Qaueda.

Without knowing ANYTHING, not even the locations, how do you suppose you are going to convince me about anything?

I just gave you a tip, look to Africa for current terrorist training camps of citisens in the US...

You don't get it and you never will.

 

[spacejamz]

Eh, Al Shahab isn't from the ME and neither is Al Qaueda.

Without knowing ANYTHING, not even the locations, how do you suppose you are going to convince me about anything?

I just gave you a tip, look to Africa for current terrorist training camps of citisens in the US...

You don't get it and you never will.

I am not trying to convince you of anything...Pardon my ignorance for not keeping with which groups want to kill everyone who does not share their beliefs. They can all go to hell in my book.

Are you trying to insinuate they are now peace loving people who wish no harm to the West? What difference does it make where they are from?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm not sure if we're reading the same article based on your statements. First, this isn't a "nuclear bomb". This is a conventional weapon laced with radioactive materials that would NOT render an area uninhabitable for years. It would do no more physical harm than an ordinary bomb, which is by no means acceptable, but hardly a "nuke".

I also don't understand about liberals who don't understand and how we can't negotiate. With few exceptions no one has any interest in that at all. This sounds suspiciously like "The Man" or "Them"- some fictional group of people used to slander a whole group. I've seen it done to Republicans, gays, the religious, just about everyone. I don't see how making yet another class of straw men achieves anything.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I am not trying to convince you of anything...Pardon my ignorance for not keeping with which groups want to kill everyone who does not share their beliefs. They can all go to hell in my book.

Are you trying to insinuate they are now peace loving people who wish no harm to the West? What difference does it make where they are from?

No, i'm saying that they are contained.

It matter because of travel routes, it matters because of population and who are coming from where and most of all, it fucking matters if they are in Virginia or Africa or Afghanistan because you need to know your enemy and where they are.

Al Shahab don't have a lot of resources, it's mostly local training camps, they have no access to military grade ANYTHING with the possible exception of low quality AK47's.

Al Qaueda can't wipe their arse without every intelligence agency reporting it and if they should happen to have had Chili someone will surely report the gas as Sarin somewhere in some piss poor excuse of a news agency.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, i'm saying that they are contained.

It matter because of travel routes, it matters because of population and who are coming from where and most of all, it fucking matters if they are in Virginia or Africa or Afghanistan because you need to know your enemy and where they are.

Al Shahab don't have a lot of resources, it's mostly local training camps, they have no access to military grade ANYTHING with the possible exception of low quality AK47's.

Al Qaueda can't wipe their arse without every intelligence agency reporting it and if they should happen to have had Chili someone will surely report the gas as Sarin somewhere in some piss poor excuse of a news agency.

Every nation needs it's Boogeymen. Al Qaeda is ours it seems. To be sure they need to be watched as it's foolish to ignore a proven enemy but to imbue them with superpowers isn't very smart either. A clear headed assessment of the enemy is what always been needed. Unfortunately that has been harder to come by since Ron R's administration who used whatever he wanted for his purposes, although the Sr. Bush had a pretty good grasp. With his background he should have. His son? He made a complete sham out of the intelligence agencies, not by defunding but by compromising it's integrity by making a tool of propaganda. As you can imagine I didn't care much for that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Every nation needs it's Boogeymen. Al Qaeda is ours it seems. To be sure they need to be watched as it's foolish to ignore a proven enemy but to imbue them with superpowers isn't very smart either. A clear headed assessment of the enemy is what always been needed. Unfortunately that has been harder to come by since Ron R's administration who used whatever he wanted for his purposes, although the Sr. Bush had a pretty good grasp. With his background he should have. His son? He made a complete sham out of the intelligence agencies, not by defunding but by compromising it's integrity by making a tool of propaganda. As you can imagine I didn't care much for that.

Well, we had Blair, we got our share so fast we didn't even have time to decide to kick him out before we were shoulder deep in this shit...

To be honest, the latest rounds have been as much MI6 as US intel failures and if i didn't know that Blair had better taste i'd thought that him and GW were bum buddies who needed some extra excitement in their relationship.

Never did stick to the UK public though, that's why Blair was forced to resign and later on was advised to stay out of the EU all together because... well, you know, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, can't be fooled again.

Right now, Africa is the hotbed though, we need to watch it a lot more instead of focusing on nations where the violence is contained within the nation because if we don't the "fight them over there instead of over here" won't work at all, not even a little bit, it will only open us up to further attacks.

 

[Perknose]

Ruh roh!

The terrorist organization al-Qaeda is coming close to possessing unconventional weapons as it pursues atomic matter and draws in sympathetic scientists to construct radiological "dirty bombs," the London Telegraph reported today (see GSN, Jan. 31).

(Feb. 2) - Rescue workers push a person through a decontamination tent during a 2005 radiological "dirty bomb" simulation exercise. Al-Qaeda extremists are moving toward the capability to produce a dirty bomb, leaked U.S. State Department communications warn (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images).

According to leaked U.S. diplomatic cables provided by the transparency organization WikiLeaks, security leaders at a 2009 NATO conference informed member countries that al-Qaeda operatives were devising a scheme to plant "dirty radioactive IEDS" -- improvised radioactive roadside explosive devices that would potentially target alliance forces in Afghanistan.

A radiological "dirty bomb" would use conventional explosives to disperse radioactive material across a large geographical area. The ensuing radioactive contamination could cause years of damage to the environment and public health. Though not nearly as lethal as a nuclear weapon, such makeshift weapons are considered a serious security threat.
Extremist organizations are also said to be nearing the capability to manufacture "workable and efficient" biological and chemical munitions that could cause thousands of deaths, according to records cited by the newspaper.

International Atomic Energy Agency Deputy Director General Tomihiro Taniguchi advised the United States that the international community could confront a "nuclear 9/11" should extremists gain access to stockpiles of plutonium and uranium.

In June 2008, India's national security adviser informed U.S. security officials that extremists had made a "manifest attempt to get fissile material" and "have the technical competence to manufacture an explosive device beyond a mere dirty bomb."

Several U.S. embassies sent cables to Washington detailing the smuggling of extremely radioactive substances by criminal networks and extremists organizations operating in the Middle East, Africa and Europe. One such case in September 2009 involved two workers at a uranium mine in Namibia attempting to pilfer nearly 50 percent of a ton of concentrated uranium powder.

High-ranking British security officials have broached "deep concerns" that researchers within the Pakistani nuclear sector "could gradually smuggle enough material out to make a weapon," according to a cable discussing communications with London two years ago (see GSN, Feb. 1; Blake/Hope, London Telegraph I/Vancouver Sun, Feb. 2).

Another scare occurred in November 2007 when radiation sensors put in place at the border separating Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan went off as a freight train from Kyrgyzstan bound for Iran crossed through a Nazarbek rail depot. After customs personnel halted the train, a radiation check discovered that one car seemingly filled with "scrap metal" was too radioactive to be opened. As of January 2008, the carriage was still under quarantine and had yet to be opened, according to leaked information detailed by the Telegraph.
The U.S. Embassy in London in November 2007 was contacted by a U.K. deep-sea salvage dealer who said business contacts in the Philippines had discovered in a sunken vessel six uranium "bricks" of U.S. origin. The British merchant gave the U.S. Embassy photos of the retrieved uranium and said his contacts were looking to sell the nuclear material. It is not known if the United States decided to purchase the material.

U.S. diplomats in Uganda were contacted three years ago by a gold merchant who said a Congolese contact had requested that he locate a buyer for an amount of highly enriched concentrated uranium liquid. A possible deal to sell the uranium to a Pakistani national in Kenya had been called off as a result of continuing instability in the East African state at the time. The envoys sent a nuclear trafficking notice to Washington describing how that the uranium could be soon be moved by taxi, bus or train.

A Portuguese citizen familiar to authorities as a hustler entered the U.S. Embassy in Lisbon in July 2008 and proposed a sale of six uranium plates from the Chernobyl nuclear site. A former Russian general had the plates and was reportedly employing a Portuguese judge to find a buyer. The matter was forwarded to the Portuguese authorities.

Ukrainian security officials in April 2009 apprehended two businessmen and a well-known politician in Ternopil Oblast for attempting to traffic a container filled with bomb-grade plutonium for $10 million. The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine was informed that the nuclear material could be "used by terrorists for making a dirty bomb," according to a document.

In August 2009, radiation sensors at the Georgian-Armenian border went off upon approach by three Armenian nationals traveling by car. The men were allowed to continue on when the driver told checkpoint officials he had been given a dose of radioactive isotopes for medical purposes. When the vehicle again set off sensors as it came back from Armenia, officials opted to examine the car. However, no atomic matter was found (Heidi Blake, London Telegraph II, Feb. 2).

The security chiefs also disclosed at the 2009 NATO briefing that al-Qaeda papers discovered in 2007 in Afghanistan showed that "greater advances" had been achieved in developing biological terrorism tools than had earlier been thought, the Telegraph reported.

Stored strains of lethal biological agents in Pakistan are at risk of being acquired by "extremists" who might seek to weaponize pathogens such as anthrax and foot and mouth disease for use in a bioterrorism attack, according to leaked documents. Security officials also warned that biological warfare materials could be dispersed using an aerosol can in a densely populated area.

The only remaining known stockpiles of smallpox are held by Russia and the United States. Their continued possession of the highly contagious pathogens has been criticized by "a growing chorus of voices" at World Health Assembly forums, according to the diplomatic memos (see GSN, Jan. 24; Blake/Hope, London Telegraph I).

It seems almost inevitable that they're going to try and hit a soft target (read: innocent civilians) with one of these at some point. Feces, meet Mr. Fan.

 

[xj0hnx]

A repost, and no commentary ...tisk ...tisk

 

[MovingTarget]

Ugh. Dirty Bombs =/= nuclear weapons. One is merely unfortunate, the other is serious fucking business in comparison. The worst part about a dirty bomb isn't the explosion or the traces of radioactivity that can be somewhat easily cleaned up, but the psychological impact. Panic would be their real weapon of mass destruction as the media exclaims "OMGNUCLEARWEAPONSTERRAR!!!". The only thing we have to fear, especially in that scenario, is fear itself.

 

[xj0hnx]

Ugh. Dirty Bombs =/= nuclear weapons. One is merely unfortunate, the other is serious fucking business in comparison. The worst part about a dirty bomb isn't the explosion or the traces of radioactivity that can be somewhat easily cleaned up, but the psychological impact. Panic would be their real weapon of mass destruction as the media exclaims "OMGNUCLEARWEAPONSTERRAR!!!". The only thing we have to fear, especially in that scenario, is fear itself.

I've always wondered how spreading a campaign of fear is supposed to help fight an enemy who's purpose is to spread fear. The War on Terror™ is delicious ironing.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I've always wondered how spreading a campaign of fear is supposed to help fight an enemy who's purpose is to spread fear. The War on Terror™ is delicious ironing.

This man speaks of the truth.

They want change in a society, to defeat them we change our society, restrict it, make it less free and claim that it's because "they want to take away our freedom"...

Are we fucking DAFT?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This man speaks of the truth.

They want change in a society, to defeat them we change our society, restrict it, make it less free and claim that it's because "they want to take away our freedom"...

Are we fucking DAFT?

We are daft. The cruel irony is that the terrorists aren't doing anything to cause fear. We have people shouting "Al Qaeda In Position To Use Nuclear Weapons".

It's as if there were a catalyst and we continue the reaction of fear all on our own.

 

[sportage]

Don't worry... At least we won't have SS marriage, abortions will be banned, and everyone from 5 years old and up will have an assault weapon to protect themselves from the nukes....
And after the smoke clears?
Two things will no doubt survive. Roaches and Sarah Palin.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

We are daft. The cruel irony is that the terrorists aren't doing anything to cause fear. We have people shouting "Al Qaeda In Position To Use Nuclear Weapons".

It's as if there were a catalyst and we continue the reaction of fear all on our own.

It's pathetic, isn't it?

Aren't these the same people who tout their freedom with capitalised letters in other threads where "we the people" need to stand up and take the "threats to our nation by Islamic terrorism" seriously?

Unfortunantly, you can't win an election today without being willing to "go to war for our values and our freedom", can you?

This whole shit has gotten WAY out of hand, it was bad pre-2000 it got WAY worse after and so bad after 2003 that it's like a fucking mantra that politicians keep using.

It kinda just stopped after Blair got kicked out in the UK, ever since it's been mostly about how to retract forces and concentrate on areas where we are needed the most while the MI5 has handled the inland security very well indeed.

Our biggest threats today comes from people in our nations, not outside of them, training camps don't send foreigners they take in our citisens to train, this is where the focus should be now and most of all, it should be dealt with in silence, there is no need to report on anything until there is a real and present danger.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Don't worry... At least we won't have SS marriage, abortions will be banned, and everyone from 5 years old and up will have an assault weapon to protect themselves from the nukes....
And after the smoke clears?
Two things will no doubt survive. Roaches and Sarah Palin.

Roaches AND Sarah Palin? Isn't that a bit redundant?

 

[Darwin333]

This man speaks of the truth.

They want change in a society, to defeat them we change our society, restrict it, make it less free and claim that it's because "they want to take away our freedom"...

Are we fucking DAFT?

Unfortunately, yes.