AL MVP

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: ncircle

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Oh by the way, Ortiz wins the AL MVP. He's been more important this season to the Sox than Arod has been for the Yankees.
Small is more of a Yankee MVP than ARod.

If not for Arod's homer, the Yankees don't win last night. Also, he saves many runs from scoring by making sparkling plays at 3rd.

ortiz isnt done.

They are both MVP's, but Arod plays the field and wins many games that way besides the games he wins with the bat. He's also hitting about .320 while Ortiz is slightly under .300.

 

[pmoa]

This debate can go on forever...all the yanks fans will vote for AROD and all the sox fans will vote for ortiz and a smattering of votes either way. SO who cares who wins the mvp and lets see what the teams do in the post season.

 

[m2kewl]

no DH should win the MVP on any team.

vote NO for one-dimensional players!!

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: m2kewl
no DH should win the MVP on any team.

vote NO for one-dimensional players!!

Username: m2kewl
City: New York City
Province/State: New York
Country: United States

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighttttt.

 

[Tylanner]

Arod has the best stats in baseball period

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: m2kewl
no DH should win the MVP on any team.

vote NO for one-dimensional players!!

Username: m2kewl
City: New York City
Province/State: New York
Country: United States

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighttttt.

The MVP is for most valuable player, not best player. Ortiz is more valuable to the Sox than Arod is to the Yankees. (IMHO of course)

 

[Reckoner]

Ortiz with a game winning RBI yet again tonight.

He just clinched the AL MVP.

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Arod has the best stats in baseball period

It's not all about stats, it's about what a player does for his team. That being said, Arod doesn't have the best stats in baseball. Ortiz has 18 more RBI, and they're tied at 47 for HR's.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Ortiz with a game winning RBI yet again tonight.

He just clinched the AL MVP.

Something tells me you're a Sox fan.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Mojoed

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Arod has the best stats in baseball period

It's not all about stats, it's about what a player does for his team. That being said, Arod doesn't have the best stats in baseball. Ortiz has 18 more RBI, and they're tied at 47 for HR's.

Your omission of batting average is noted.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Ortiz with a game winning RBI yet again tonight.

He just clinched the AL MVP.

Something tells me you're a Sox fan.

That I am Ortiz does have more game winning hits than ARod, you can't dispute that.

 

[Tylanner]

Originally posted by: Mojoed

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Arod has the best stats in baseball period

It's not all about stats, it's about what a player does for his team. That being said, Arod doesn't have the best stats in baseball. Ortiz has 18 more RBI, and they're tied at 47 for HR's.

ya just throw BA, OBP, SLG, and stolen bases out the window, they dont count..

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Ortiz with a game winning RBI yet again tonight.

He just clinched the AL MVP.

Something tells me you're a Sox fan.

That I am Ortiz does have more game winning hits than ARod, you can't dispute that.

That's probably true, but how many games has Ortiz won by playing the field on a gold glove level?

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: Mojoed

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Arod has the best stats in baseball period

It's not all about stats, it's about what a player does for his team. That being said, Arod doesn't have the best stats in baseball. Ortiz has 18 more RBI, and they're tied at 47 for HR's.

ya just throw BA, OBP, SLG, and stolen bases out the window, they dont count..

Slugging percentage is a virtual tie. Ortiz with 18 more RBI. Ortiz with 11 more doubles. Arod has the edge in BA and OBP. That's hardly the best stats in baseball as you claim.

 

[BrokenVisage]

hehe

 

[Mojoed]

^^
Let's forget about stats for a minute. ORtiz has won so many games this year it's not even funny. Timeliness of hits is not a measured stat. If it was, Ortiz would blow away anyone.

 

[Tylanner]

Originally posted by: Mojoed

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: Mojoed

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Arod has the best stats in baseball period

It's not all about stats, it's about what a player does for his team. That being said, Arod doesn't have the best stats in baseball. Ortiz has 18 more RBI, and they're tied at 47 for HR's.

ya just throw BA, OBP, SLG, and stolen bases out the window, they dont count..

Slugging percentage is a virtual tie. Ortiz with 18 more RBI. Ortiz with 11 more doubles. Arod has the edge in BA and OBP. That's hardly the best stats in baseball as you claim.

who has better stats?

Arod is 6th, 2nd and 4th in the triple crown stats....

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
hehe

ROFL

 

[Reckoner]

Forget about stats for a moment guys.

I think the question should be, who would be in worse shape w/o these guys? With the BoSox pitching in shambles (even worse than the Yankees imo), you would have to say Ortiz means more to his team than ARod. In the end, it'll probably come down to who wins the division, and what happens in the next 3 games between the two teams.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Forget about stats for a moment guys.

I think the question should be, who would be in worse shape w/o these guys? With the BoSox pitching in shambles (even worse than the Yankees imo), you would have to say Ortiz means more to his team than ARod. In the end, it'll probably come down to who wins the division, and what happens in the next 3 games between the two teams.

That's why I say that Rivera should win it (I know he won't). He's definitely the most valuable Yankee. They Yankees cannot win without him, period. He's the reason they are where they are.

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: Mojoed

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: Mojoed

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Arod has the best stats in baseball period

It's not all about stats, it's about what a player does for his team. That being said, Arod doesn't have the best stats in baseball. Ortiz has 18 more RBI, and they're tied at 47 for HR's.

ya just throw BA, OBP, SLG, and stolen bases out the window, they dont count..

Slugging percentage is a virtual tie. Ortiz with 18 more RBI. Ortiz with 11 more doubles. Arod has the edge in BA and OBP. That's hardly the best stats in baseball as you claim.

who has better stats?

Okay, let me spell this out. You claim Arod has the best stats period

Arod leads in BA, OBP
Ortiz leads in RBI, Doubles, and clutch hits

They're tied in HR and SLG.

It seems to me he doesn't have the "best stats period."

Also, MVP isn't about STATS, it's about value to the team, and Ortiz has more value to the Sox than Arod to the Yanks.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Forget about stats for a moment guys.

I think the question should be, who would be in worse shape w/o these guys? With the BoSox pitching in shambles (even worse than the Yankees imo), you would have to say Ortiz means more to his team than ARod. In the end, it'll probably come down to who wins the division, and what happens in the next 3 games between the two teams.

That's why I say that Rivera should win it (I know he won't). He's definitely the most valuable Yankee. They Yankees cannot win without him, period. He's the reason they are where they are.

If they didn't give it to Pedro a few years ago they shouldn't give it to him.

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Forget about stats for a moment guys.

I think the question should be, who would be in worse shape w/o these guys? With the BoSox pitching in shambles (even worse than the Yankees imo), you would have to say Ortiz means more to his team than ARod. In the end, it'll probably come down to who wins the division, and what happens in the next 3 games between the two teams.

That's why I say that Rivera should win it (I know he won't). He's definitely the most valuable Yankee. They Yankees cannot win without him, period. He's the reason they are where they are.

You are absolutely correct. Rivera IS more valuable to the Yankees than Arod is. Tell that to Tylanner, MVP isn't solely about stats.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Forget about stats for a moment guys.

I think the question should be, who would be in worse shape w/o these guys? With the BoSox pitching in shambles (even worse than the Yankees imo), you would have to say Ortiz means more to his team than ARod. In the end, it'll probably come down to who wins the division, and what happens in the next 3 games between the two teams.

That's why I say that Rivera should win it (I know he won't). He's definitely the most valuable Yankee. They Yankees cannot win without him, period. He's the reason they are where they are.

If they didn't give it to Pedro a few years ago they shouldn't give it to him.

It's much more difficult to make the argument for a starting pitcher who only impacts one game in five.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Mojoed
Okay, let me spell this out. You claim Arod has the best stats period

Arod leads in BA, OBP
Ortiz leads in RBI, Doubles, and clutch hits

They're tied in HR and SLG.

It seems to me he doesn't have the "best stats period."

Also, MVP isn't about STATS, it's about value to the team, and Ortiz has more value to the Sox than Arod to the Yanks.

If you're arguing stats, clutch hits is not a stat.