Al-Jazeera Draws All Eyes over Abduction Case in Iraq

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

To all of you who think Al-Jazeera is evil incarnate, here is some good the network has done (I beleive it has done a lot of good in general). Link.

 

[Mill]

You're kidding right? How is that doing good? If anything it makes the public dislike troops and civilians being over there even more. Now, you might not find that bad, but it is just another tool for those terrorists doing these kidnappers to scare people and get their message across. I don't think Al-Jazeera is the devil incarnate(I watched a good bit of their footage during the invasion), but don't act if they aren't sharply against the occupation.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Mill
You're kidding right? How is that doing good? If anything it makes the public dislike troops and civilians being over there even more. Now, you might not find that bad, but it is just another tool for those terrorists doing these kidnappers to scare people and get their message across. I don't think Al-Jazeera is the devil incarnate(I watched a good bit of their footage during the invasion), but don't act if they aren't sharply against the occupation.

See, I disagree with you. I think that civilian abductions and murders would happen regardless of Al-Jazeera. You have to remember who is perpetrating these crimes. Not one of those abducted and murdered were killed by Iraqi insurgents, they were killed by foreign terrorists, people who would perpetrate crimes of the sort regardless of the circumstance, after all, Daniel Pearl had nothing to do with Iraq. Of course Al-Jazeera is sharply against the occupation, they are an Arab network, much the same way Fox is all about the occupation, they both pander to their respective audiences, after all, news is a business. I think it does good b/c the Arab street is always going to be more willing to listen to and trust an Arab network. Beleive it or not, many in the Arab world are disgusted by the murders of civilians. AlJazeera, as stated in the article, is showing the impassioned pleas of the Koreans on their network, if that can work to further change Arab sentiment to towards the terrorists, I don't see how that can be a bad thing. And please don't insinuate that i think AlJazeera increasing hatred towards our troops is a good thing. You don't know what goes through my mind and that is just a cheap shot.

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: Mill
You're kidding right? How is that doing good? If anything it makes the public dislike troops and civilians being over there even more. Now, you might not find that bad, but it is just another tool for those terrorists doing these kidnappers to scare people and get their message across. I don't think Al-Jazeera is the devil incarnate(I watched a good bit of their footage during the invasion), but don't act if they aren't sharply against the occupation.

like being sharply against the occupation is a bad thing in itself...? LOL

why do americans think al-jazeera (or everyone else for that matter) should be supporting american interests ???

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: DeeKnow

Originally posted by: Mill
You're kidding right? How is that doing good? If anything it makes the public dislike troops and civilians being over there even more. Now, you might not find that bad, but it is just another tool for those terrorists doing these kidnappers to scare people and get their message across. I don't think Al-Jazeera is the devil incarnate(I watched a good bit of their footage during the invasion), but don't act if they aren't sharply against the occupation.

like being sharply against the occupation is a bad thing in itself...? LOL

why do americans think al-jazeera (or everyone else for that matter) should be supporting american interests ???

Exactly.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mill
You're kidding right? How is that doing good? If anything it makes the public dislike troops and civilians being over there even more. Now, you might not find that bad, but it is just another tool for those terrorists doing these kidnappers to scare people and get their message across. I don't think Al-Jazeera is the devil incarnate(I watched a good bit of their footage during the invasion), but don't act if they aren't sharply against the occupation.

See, I disagree with you. I think that civilian abductions and murders would happen regardless of Al-Jazeera. You have to remember who is perpetrating these crimes. Not one of those abducted and murdered were killed by Iraqi insurgents, they were killed by foreign terrorists, people who would perpetrate crimes of the sort regardless of the circumstance, after all, Daniel Pearl had nothing to do with Iraq. Of course Al-Jazeera is sharply against the occupation, they are an Arab network, much the same way Fox is all about the occupation, they both pander to their respective audiences, after all, news is a business. I think it does good b/c the Arab street is always going to be more willing to listen to and trust an Arab network. Beleive it or not, many in the Arab world are disgusted by the murders of civilians. AlJazeera, as stated in the article, is showing the impassioned pleas of the Koreans on their network, if that can work to further change Arab sentiment to towards the terrorists, I don't see how that can be a bad thing. And please don't insinuate that i think AlJazeera increasing hatred towards our troops is a good thing. You don't know what goes through my mind and that is just a cheap shot.

I didn't insinuate anything about you, so please go back and read my post carefully. I do not think Al-Jazeera has anyone's best interests at mind except for those that want the overthrow the provisional government, or end the occupation.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DeeKnow

Originally posted by: Mill
You're kidding right? How is that doing good? If anything it makes the public dislike troops and civilians being over there even more. Now, you might not find that bad, but it is just another tool for those terrorists doing these kidnappers to scare people and get their message across. I don't think Al-Jazeera is the devil incarnate(I watched a good bit of their footage during the invasion), but don't act if they aren't sharply against the occupation.

like being sharply against the occupation is a bad thing in itself...? LOL

why do americans think al-jazeera (or everyone else for that matter) should be supporting american interests ???

It is American interested for Iraq to be a democracy now? You do realize it is too late to just "hand" power over to some Saddam-esque figure, right?

 

[viivo]

From my experience I believe Al-Jazeera is less biased than Fox news. They care more about breaking the big stories and bringing in the ratings than promoting some cause. It's just unfortunate what brings in the viewers are stories about torched American corpses dragged through the streets.

 

[dahunan]

What if al-jazeera told these terrorist scumbags to fck off whenever they brought their "we got hostage.... we behead him soon if demands not met" videos?



They (al-jazeera) are enablers and accomplices to the crimes of these sick pig terrorists.

These beheadings will do nothing but strengthen the resolve of anyone who was on the fence before.. their actions will only make moderate people turn to rage..

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: dahunan
their actions will only make moderate people turn to rage..

Won't this be a good thing when it induces all Americans to mobilize for the crusade? Genocide appears to be the perfect solution for our current world.

Zephyr

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: DeeKnow

Originally posted by: Mill
You're kidding right? How is that doing good? If anything it makes the public dislike troops and civilians being over there even more. Now, you might not find that bad, but it is just another tool for those terrorists doing these kidnappers to scare people and get their message across. I don't think Al-Jazeera is the devil incarnate(I watched a good bit of their footage during the invasion), but don't act if they aren't sharply against the occupation.

like being sharply against the occupation is a bad thing in itself...? LOL

why do americans think al-jazeera (or everyone else for that matter) should be supporting american interests ???

For one thing it is not an occupation, we are not there to control Iraq, power is being given to the people as we speak. Do you think if we had done nothing this would be the case today? Second of all, the liberation of Iraq and the freedom of it's people is in the interest of the entire free civilized world, not just America.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: dahunan
What if al-jazeera told these terrorist scumbags to fck off whenever they brought their "we got hostage.... we behead him soon if demands not met" videos?



They (al-jazeera) are enablers and accomplices to the crimes of these sick pig terrorists.

These beheadings will do nothing but strengthen the resolve of anyone who was on the fence before.. their actions will only make moderate people turn to rage..

Do you honestly think one of the other big networks would not take the videos if they were brought to them first? Face it, news is fundamentally a business, and whoever has breaking news has ratings. If everyone was so concerned about "enabling" the terrorists, Fox News, CNN et al would not re-broadcast Al-Jazeera footage of the abductees continously.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: dahunan
What if al-jazeera told these terrorist scumbags to fck off whenever they brought their "we got hostage.... we behead him soon if demands not met" videos?



They (al-jazeera) are enablers and accomplices to the crimes of these sick pig terrorists.

These beheadings will do nothing but strengthen the resolve of anyone who was on the fence before.. their actions will only make moderate people turn to rage..

Do you honestly think one of the other big networks would not take the videos if they were brought to them first? Face it, news is fundamentally a business, and whoever has breaking news has ratings. If everyone was so concerned about "enabling" the terrorists, Fox News, CNN et al would not re-broadcast Al-Jazeera footage of the abductees continously.

I don't care who does it.. I think they are GIVING THEM POWER in greater numbers than they could ever imagine..

If every news agency told the terroists to go to hell and that they will not allow their messages to be broadcast .... wouldn't that be better? Sure there is freedom of the press.. but this is enabling and assiting the terrorists to get their message out in ways that are favorable to them.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: dahunan
What if al-jazeera told these terrorist scumbags to fck off whenever they brought their "we got hostage.... we behead him soon if demands not met" videos?



They (al-jazeera) are enablers and accomplices to the crimes of these sick pig terrorists.

These beheadings will do nothing but strengthen the resolve of anyone who was on the fence before.. their actions will only make moderate people turn to rage..

Do you honestly think one of the other big networks would not take the videos if they were brought to them first? Face it, news is fundamentally a business, and whoever has breaking news has ratings. If everyone was so concerned about "enabling" the terrorists, Fox News, CNN et al would not re-broadcast Al-Jazeera footage of the abductees continously.

I don't care who does it.. I think they are GIVING THEM POWER in greater numbers than they could ever imagine..

If every news agency told the terroists to go to hell and that they will not allow their messages to be broadcast .... wouldn't that be better? Sure there is freedom of the press.. but this is enabling and assiting the terrorists to get their message out in ways that are favorable to them.

You're missing my point, someone will ALWAYS be ready to broadcast their message. That's why its called the NEWS BUSINESS. And like I said, it's easy to be critical of alJazeera, it still doesn't stop ALL the other networks from also airing their footage. If FOX et al were so noble, you would not be seeing "AlJazeera Exclusive" printed across half their ME reports.

 

[arsbanned]

You talk about the terrorist mouthpiece, al Jazeera, as if it is funded by ads and "business". Nothing could be further from the truth. They are government supported. Qatar. Look it up. Learn before you spew.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
You talk about the terrorist mouthpiece, al Jazeera, as if it is funded by ads and "business". Nothing could be further from the truth. They are government supported. Qatar. Look it up. Learn before you spew.

Terrorist mouthpiece? Why? Because they don't bend over backwards to kiss America's ass and support the war in Iraq? Give me a break. What you think of them is exactly what the rest of the world thinks of Fox News. As hard as it might be for you, try to look at things from the perspective of others.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: arsbanned
You talk about the terrorist mouthpiece, al Jazeera, as if it is funded by ads and "business". Nothing could be further from the truth. They are government supported. Qatar. Look it up. Learn before you spew.

Terrorist mouthpiece? Why? Because they don't bend over backwards to kiss America's ass and support the war in Iraq? Give me a break. What you think of them is exactly what the rest of the world thinks of Fox News. As hard as it might be for you, try to look at things from the perspective of others.

Have you ever WATCHED Al-Jazeera? they dont even say the word America, they refer to us as an Arabic phrase that translates to "The Head of the Devil", they also throw all European Countries, (yes even Germany and France) into the same heap of "Evil Empires" that are constantly "Attacking Islam"

As easily as Fox News can be dismissed as a biased news source around here, its amazes me that someone can actually defend Al-Jazeera

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: arsbanned
You talk about the terrorist mouthpiece, al Jazeera, as if it is funded by ads and "business". Nothing could be further from the truth. They are government supported. Qatar. Look it up. Learn before you spew.

Terrorist mouthpiece? Why? Because they don't bend over backwards to kiss America's ass and support the war in Iraq? Give me a break. What you think of them is exactly what the rest of the world thinks of Fox News. As hard as it might be for you, try to look at things from the perspective of others.

Have you ever WATCHED Al-Jazeera? they dont even say the word America, they refer to us as an Arabic phrase that translates to "The Head of the Devil", they also throw all European Countries, (yes even Germany and France) into the same heap of "Evil Empires" that are constantly "Attacking Islam"

As easily as Fox News can be dismissed as a biased news source around here, its amazes me that someone can actually defend Al-Jazeera

"Arabic phrase that translates to "The Head of the Devil"? This is news to me, care to elaborate, maybe with some proof of when this was said. Also, Fox is not that easy to dismiss when you think of all the armchair patriots who buy into their crap hook line and sinker and still beleive crap like Iraq and 9/11 being related.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: arsbanned
You talk about the terrorist mouthpiece, al Jazeera, as if it is funded by ads and "business". Nothing could be further from the truth. They are government supported. Qatar. Look it up. Learn before you spew.

Terrorist mouthpiece? Why? Because they don't bend over backwards to kiss America's ass and support the war in Iraq? Give me a break. What you think of them is exactly what the rest of the world thinks of Fox News. As hard as it might be for you, try to look at things from the perspective of others.

they refer to us as an Arabic phrase that translates to "The Head of the Devil"

What's the phrase?

 

[Train]

What a stupid Question,

A) I couldnt pronounce it if I tried, (as if any of you could hear me in person)
B) I coulndt spell it if I tried, even if I had an arabic keyboard(which I dont), or an Arabic character set on my computer,(which I dont, and I dont think this site could even store those characters in the DB anyways, I have a hunch Unicode is turned off)
C) like any of you would be able to translate it or even look it up if I posted it or something.

I heard it on the English voice over while watching it when i was in the Middle East. The reasoning behind it, IIRC goes like this: Isreal is the Devil, and the US, due to its support of Isreal through weapons and money, are "The Head of the Devil" I think the more literal translation is "Head of the snake" because I've also heard that one a lot.

edit: my question was: "have any of you actually watched Al-Jazeera"? and the CNN replays without sound dont count.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Train
What a stupid Question,

A) I couldnt pronounce it if I tried, (as if any of you could hear me in person)
B) I coulndt spell it if I tried, even if I had an arabic keyboard(which I dont), or an Arabic character set on my computer,(which I dont, and I dont think this site could even store those characters in the DB anyways, I have a hunch Unicode is turned off)
C) like any of you would be able to translate it or even look it up if I posted it or something.

I heard it on the English voice over while watching it when i was in the Middle East. The reasoning behind it, IIRC goes like this: Isreal is the Devil, and the US, due to its support of Isreal through weapons and money, are "The Head of the Devil" I think the more literal translation is "Head of the snake" because I've also heard that one a lot.

edit: my question was: "have any of you actually watched Al-Jazeera"? and the CNN replays without sound dont count.

So we're just supposed to take your word based on some voice over you say you saw. Sure buddy. And if what you say is correct, why does it not say the same thing on their English news site and channel? It seams they have no problem saying it on voice overs. I'll beleive it when you show some real proof, I'm sure you won't have trouble finding a transcript or some other anti-AlJazeera site to vouch for your claims. Also, someone said earlier that Al-Jazeera is not worried about buisness because it is privately funded and is only acting on an agenda. Do some homework: THE EMIR OF QATAR STOPPED FUNDING AL JAZEERA IN 2001, they have been on thier own since then. Even then, he only gave the $150mil to start off, not exactly much if you're trying to start an international news channel.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Train
What a stupid Question,

No it's not, it's a question designed to get facts from you. BTW the translation is Ras al-Ghul(Demons Head), which is the name for a constelation and the Arabic name for Medusa.

A) I couldnt pronounce it if I tried, (as if any of you could hear me in person)

It's easy, they do it on the batman animated series all the time.

B) I coulndt spell it if I tried, even if I had an arabic keyboard(which I dont), or an Arabic character set on my computer,(which I dont, and I dont think this site could even store those characters in the DB anyways, I have a hunch Unicode is turned off)

It's easy, try it with me R A S space A L hyphen G H U L

C) like any of you would be able to translate it or even look it up if I posted it or something.

Somehow I doubt that since a few very simple google searches brought up the answer.

I heard it on the English voice over while watching it when i was in the Middle East. The reasoning behind it, IIRC goes like this: Isreal is the Devil, and the US, due to its support of Isreal through weapons and money, are "The Head of the Devil" I think the more literal translation is "Head of the snake" because I've also heard that one a lot.

Sure you did.

edit: my question was: "have any of you actually watched Al-Jazeera"? and the CNN replays without sound dont count.

I don't speak Arabic, I don't recieve the channel, so the answer would be no.

 

[0roo0roo]

ah, aljazeera, where every terrorist is a martyre. worse then fox news

 

[TStep]

A little off topic but, Isn't this the reason why Americans pump billions into CIA black-ops programs? All this Al-Queda crap is way out of hand. Some things need to be dealt with in a different manner than the current international solutions are providing. I want to see my taxpayer CIA investment reap some benefit.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: TStep
A little off topic but, Isn't this the reason why Americans pump billions into CIA black-ops programs? All this Al-Queda crap is way out of hand. Some things need to be dealt with in a different manner than the current international solutions are providing. I want to see my taxpayer CIA investment reap some benefit.

After 8 years of budget reduction in the area of covert ops, it takes a little time to replenish the coffers, sir. One would think that after the bombings in NY, Saudi, Africa, Qatar, someone would have addressed this problem sooner...we are now paying for 8 years of complacency.