Al Gore = pwned?

[Chronoshock]

Many posting in this thread make the mistake of confusing weather with climate. The two are very different things. Oh noes its cold and winter, that has nothing to do with global warming. One is a micro-scale phenomenon while the other is macro. The effects are not necessarily reflected in the weather. It is disappointing to see people with this understanding.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Apparently you have to be intelligent when reading something like "These two research papers became the bedrock of the science of global warming, even though they offered no proof that carbon dioxide was in fact a greenhouse gas. In addition they failed to explain how this trace gas, only a tiny fraction of the atmosphere, could have any significant impact on temperatures" to understand exactly what the author is trying to do. The author is trying to cast doubt on global warming. I read an interesting article today/yesterday that compared the people denying global warming with the tobacco industry and several other industries, and the tactics they used to spread doubt in the general public.

Read that quoted sentence again - it's trying to get you to doubt that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. It's attempting to dismiss one of the most crucial aspects of global warming. As if there's only been one study that ever suggested that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. And, it's trying to appeal to people's incredulity "tiny fraction of the atmosphere."


However, for the 20th time, I'm going to ask this question of those who deny global warming:
Why was the DSCVR satellite not launched?

Let me recap the entire anti-global warming argument: "Their data was flawed! Scientific consensus is meaningless! There is no consensus! What? You have a satellite that will answer this question once and for all? NO! You can't launch it. Lalalalalalalala I'm not listening to you."

You are a science teacher, are you not? Surely you've noticed in your students that some of them simply don't get logic, math and reasoning as well as others - they simply can't make the connection that if A implies B and B implies C, and A is true, then C is true.

I mean, the OP's mind certainly doesn't think anything along the lines of what you're saying. His mindset is more like:
- Al Gore says something
- I don't like Al Gore
- Random guy says something bad about Al Gore
- ergo, whatever random guy says is right.
In this case, Al Gore could have been talking about evolution or global warming or anything at all - the actual subject doesn't matter, hence your facts and reasoning don't matter.

So how DO you get through to your students that aren't very adept at reasoning? Or do you just say 'fuck it, just repeat this stuff on the test' and wait for the next batch?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: irishScott
lol

*downloads another climateprediction.net work unit*

i'm up to 140,000, how about you?

194,345 here

 

[SparkyJJO]

Well 650 UN national scientists are skeptics of global warming too. It IS a big scam.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: irishScott
lol

*downloads another climateprediction.net work unit*

i'm up to 140,000, how about you?

194,345 here

I'm pretty new. Been crunching other stuff for a while and I only have a Core Duo and a P3 to offer. Currently at 21,388.

 

[13Gigatons]

Climate Change is real. Al Gore is Fake.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Summary of it all:

Global warming IS real. What we don't know is how severe it will be and whether or not it is entirely our fault, if it is our fault at all. Basically those who are hyping it up to be this end of the world scenario are going too far, just like Coleman is going too far to claim it is a complete sham.

:thumbsup:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: mozirry
I always liked the general message of preventing global warming, which is to quit being a douchebag about littering and waste. Plus, I've noticed that going "Green" usually will benefit your local business/family more directly then benefiting some national/worldwide corporation.

Being clean, resourceful, and respectable to the environment is pretty awesome. But not everybody enjoys the outdoors I guess.

That is a good thing, but for a bunch of knee-jerk reaction because someone goes on the national circuit preaching all about something that is threatening us, but in the end is not real, well, that's an issue. I never bought in.

The Prius is still a great idea though.

You mean Insight right???

apparently any insight above is lacking.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: her209
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...iews_on_global_warming

Views on global warming
Despite having no educational or scientific credentials in meteorology, climatology, environmental science, or indeed any other scientific field or discipline, in the fall of 2007 Coleman described the current concern over global warming "a fictional, manufactured crisis, and a total scam." [3] His postings assessing the science behind global warming can be read at www.kusi.com. In fact, Coleman is not even a board-certified meteorologist or weather reader, the requirements for which are but several semester hours of successfully completed college coursework in meteorology or associated disciplines such as geology. In 2008 Coleman gave a speech of the same tone, before the San Diego Chamber of Commerce, blaming the "global warming scam" and environmentalist lobby, for rising gas and food prices. He also declared the scam "a threat to our economy and our civilization." [4]

Coleman has also made appearances on Fox News Channel and on the Showtime program, Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, to share his global warming views.

Coleman recently published an article entitled "The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam"[5] in which he promotes his personal view that many scientists and politicians have been embroiled in what amounts to scam based on incomplete science and a political motive for a world government. Coleman claims that the 'scam' was triggered by the claims of scientist Roger Revelle whose primary motivation was seeking increased funding for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography.

Coleman's global warming views are closely aligned with those of the International Climate Science Coalition, an organization of over 197 climate science specialists or scientists in closely related fields, who in 2008 in Manhattan N.Y., issued a declaration known as the Manhattan Declaration stating that ?Global warming? is not a global crisis [6] .

Is this the first owned thread of the year Nom for compuwiz1 :laugh:

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
This article says Al is full of shit, basically.

"Global Warming. It is the hoax. It is bad science. It is a high jacking of public policy. It is no joke. It is the greatest scam in history," Coleman wrote.

It looks like GW was not anything but made up crap afterall. :shocked:

Don't you know that it's called Climate Crisis now? Globing Warming is so last year.

Remember folks humans are damaging the environment and are to blame for any variations in weather. Send us your tax deductible donations now to help the fight against weather patterns.

Then send the rest to the WWF since the Polar Bears are dying because of us.

 

[akshatp]

Keanu Reeves is going to come after OP for spreading BS propaganda

 

[GTaudiophile]

Who cares about global warming and where it comes from?

For me, the issue is sustainability. We need to be less wasteful. We need to recycle. We need to develop sustainable energy sources that don't require imports from foreign enemies.

Sometimes I think of it like this:

Back during the days of Manifest Destiny, the white man would often slaughter massive herds of buffalo, taking only their hides for sale and profit. Contrast this with the original Native American Indians who would slaughter far fewer buffalo but get a whole lot more use out of them, using every part of the animal down to the bones. When it comes to the resources of this world, the USA needs to lead the world in acting more like the latter than the former.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Who cares about global warming and where it comes from?

For me, the issue is sustainability. We need to be less wasteful. We need to recycle. We need to develop sustainable energy sources that don't require imports from foreign enemies.

Sometimes I think of it like this:

Back during the days of Manifest Destiny, the white man would often slaughter massive herds of buffalo, taking only their hides for sale and profit. Contrast this with the original Native American Indians who would slaughter far fewer buffalo but get a whole lot more use out of them, using every part of the animal down to the bones. When it comes to the resources of this world, the USA needs to lead the world in acting more like the latter than the former.

The Ecological Indian: Myth and History

 

[waggy]

while i think "global warming" is real it is being used as a corprate buzzword to make money. the whole buying credits seems just wrong. Seems to many are trying to hype it for there own greed.


BUT i do agree with 2extreme21 who said "I can't see us dumping unbelievable amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere HELPING the environment-- can you? " yeah we are harming the envirment,. i just don't feel at the rate that most are claiming.

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Well 650 UN national scientists are skeptics of global warming too. It IS a big scam.

You mean These people who say that climate change is real and anthropogenic? Every report from the UN in the last decade has essentially said the same thing - what are you talking about?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Well 650 UN national scientists are skeptics of global warming too. It IS a big scam.

You mean These people who say that climate change is real and anthropogenic? Every report from the UN in the last decade has essentially said the same thing - what are you talking about?

I am highly doubtful of whatever the UN puts out.

I personally think MMGW is bullshit. The extrapolation of the data that's used (OMG, HOCKEYSTICK! But wait, two different measurement areas and sources!), is farfetched and silly.

I do feel that we shouldn't shit where we eat though.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: rockyct
lol, KUSI is such a joke of a tv station.

as much as i hate john coleman, he is a meterologist...

and i think he has a much better idea of what's happening with regard to global climate change than some dumbass politician like al gore.

I was going to point you to the Wikipedia page, but apparently someone just made an edit to the section of interest.

Anyways, see link:
http://www.kusi.com/about/bios/weather/1838191.html

:laugh: No shit. How hard is it to predict the weather in San Diego? It's going to be warm and sunny today, it's going to be warm and sunny tomorrow, it's going to be warm and sunny next week. That guy is a toolbag and an idiot.

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[40Hands]

Thread title needs to be changed.

compuwiz1 = pwned.

 

[smokeyjoe]

An interesting article.

http://www.nationalpost.com/st...-8719-778c0973526e&p=1

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: l0cke
<--- P&N

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: her209
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...iews_on_global_warming

Views on global warming
Despite having no educational or scientific credentials in meteorology, climatology, environmental science, or indeed any other scientific field or discipline, in the fall of 2007 Coleman described the current concern over global warming "a fictional, manufactured crisis, and a total scam." [3] His postings assessing the science behind global warming can be read at www.kusi.com. In fact, Coleman is not even a board-certified meteorologist or weather reader, the requirements for which are but several semester hours of successfully completed college coursework in meteorology or associated disciplines such as geology. In 2008 Coleman gave a speech of the same tone, before the San Diego Chamber of Commerce, blaming the "global warming scam" and environmentalist lobby, for rising gas and food prices. He also declared the scam "a threat to our economy and our civilization." [4]

Coleman has also made appearances on Fox News Channel and on the Showtime program, Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, to share his global warming views.

Coleman recently published an article entitled "The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam"[5] in which he promotes his personal view that many scientists and politicians have been embroiled in what amounts to scam based on incomplete science and a political motive for a world government. Coleman claims that the 'scam' was triggered by the claims of scientist Roger Revelle whose primary motivation was seeking increased funding for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography.

Coleman's global warming views are closely aligned with those of the International Climate Science Coalition, an organization of over 197 climate science specialists or scientists in closely related fields, who in 2008 in Manhattan N.Y., issued a declaration known as the Manhattan Declaration stating that ?Global warming? is not a global crisis [6] .

I think this thread just turned into :

OP = Pwned?
Bad sources biggest scam in history?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: NSFW
If anyone sees it, can they please send global warming my way? Its flippin cold up here!

This has been the coldest winter in KY since I have been here. School out all week. Cannot get the car out of the garage. Will not be able to until Sunday. Why we have a sheet of Ice with snow on top. Then we have another layer of ice with snow on top and now it is snowing and 25 degrees. Like shoveling concrete.

GW is a scam IMO. Even the head of the weather channel said it is BS. I care more about clean water and sustainable land so we can use it for recreational purposes. Hunters and fisherman are doing more for the planet than anyone else. Cause we use it and we want to pass it along to our kids.

To endorse something that scientists that get paid to study and say is there is like trusting a russian oil conglomerate to take care of the land. Any scientist that has not agreed with the Gore Doctrine has been the victom of cut funding and ran out of the field. That says something to me. Also says something that Gore will not make any money unless the government passes legislation that would implement the science he is heavily invested in. he has a Multi BILLION dollar Fund that is tied up in might be "Green" technology.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: NSFW
If anyone sees it, can they please send global warming my way? Its flippin cold up here!

This has been the coldest winter in KY since I have been here. School out all week. Cannot get the car out of the garage. Will not be able to until Sunday. Why we have a sheet of Ice with snow on top. Then we have another layer of ice with snow on top and now it is snowing and 25 degrees. Like shoveling concrete.

GW is a scam IMO. Even the head of the weather channel said it is BS. I care more about clean water and sustainable land so we can use it for recreational purposes. Hunters and fisherman are doing more for the planet than anyone else. Cause we use it and we want to pass it along to our kids.

To endorse something that scientists that get paid to study and say is there is like trusting a russian oil conglomerate to take care of the land. Any scientist that has not agreed with the Gore Doctrine has been the victom of cut funding and ran out of the field. That says something to me. Also says something that Gore will not make any money unless the government passes legislation that would implement the science he is heavily invested in. he has a Multi BILLION dollar Fund that is tied up in might be "Green" technology.

Are you talking about Coleman? the guy that has no educational or scientific credentials in meteorology, climatology, environmental science, or indeed any other scientific field or discipline. He is also NOT the head of the weather channel. He was kicked out of it a long time ago.

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: rockyct
lol, KUSI is such a joke of a tv station.

as much as i hate john coleman, he is a meterologist...

and i think he has a much better idea of what's happening with regard to global climate change than some dumbass politician like al gore.

I was going to point you to the Wikipedia page, but apparently someone just made an edit to the section of interest.

Anyways, see link:
http://www.kusi.com/about/bios/weather/1838191.html

:laugh: No shit. How hard is it to predict the weather in San Diego? It's going to be warm and sunny today, it's going to be warm and sunny tomorrow, it's going to be warm and sunny next week. That guy is a toolbag and an idiot.

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Tried to find the Live on Broadway bit from Robin Williams about being a Weather Reporter in San Diego... It is pretty funny.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
This article says Al is full of shit, basically.

"Global Warming. It is the hoax. It is bad science. It is a high jacking of public policy. It is no joke. It is the greatest scam in history," Coleman wrote.

It looks like GW was not anything but made up crap afterall. :shocked:

His postings assessing the science behind global warming can be read at www.kusi.com. In fact, Coleman is not even a board-certified meteorologist or weather reader, the requirements for which are but several semester hours of successfully completed college coursework in meteorology or associated disciplines such as geology.

I would say Al Gore pwns him