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Al Franken is a big fat idiot.
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Here's the real story:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/27/elec04.prez.democrats.larouche/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/27/elec04.prez.democrats.larouche/index.html
Oops, Fausto got to it first.
thomsbrain
Lifer
it's not a "double standard." the word you're looking for is irony, you idiots. english, do you speak it?
but actually it wasn't even ironic. the heckler was trying to stop dean from speaking, franken removed the barrier. if the heckler wants to make his own gathering and speak there, he's free to do so. but stopping someone from speaking doesn't fall under free speech. that's another wonderful example of irony.
but actually it wasn't even ironic. the heckler was trying to stop dean from speaking, franken removed the barrier. if the heckler wants to make his own gathering and speak there, he's free to do so. but stopping someone from speaking doesn't fall under free speech. that's another wonderful example of irony.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
You mean like Rush Limbaugh, a confessed junkie, saying that drug users should be prosecuted and deported? That kind of double standard?
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
If people want to step out of the playground, you could read this.
Check on the link Heartsurgeon provided the a NH paper.
Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Check on the link Heartsurgeon provided the a NH paper.
Nothing to see here folks, move along.
HomeBrewerDude
Lifer
why not just link to the source and cite heartsurgeon for the original find?
0roo0roo
No Lifer
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1238195&STARTPAGE=1&zb=560896
apparently not an idiot.
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Point #1: The Heckler First Attacked People. According to Palace Theatre's manager, the heckler attacked the security guards and the theater manager:
Two members of Dean's security team immediately moved in on the man, who shoved and elbowed them, Ramsey said.
"He was screaming. He was out of control," Ramsey said.
Ramsey said he went over to help calm the situation and also got elbowed and pushed.
Point #2: Out of Control Attacker Then Presented Danger to Dean and Crowd. So what else did the heckler do that the conservative media did not report? He posed a potential danger to Howard Dean who, since he is a presidential candidate, is always subject to risk.
The protester had clambered over two or three people and had perched himself on the balcony railing.
"I thought he was going to jump. He was screaming at Dean. I was scared for a minute that he was going to jump on the stage and attack Dean," Ramsey said.
One New Hampshire voter sitting in the balcony said the heckler "kind of barreled through like a Patriots fullback."
"The way he moved, I thought he was going to jump or something," Wendy Branch of Northwood said. "Even if he didn't intend to jump, he was setting himself up for a fall. It was a little alarming."
Point #3: Franken Subdued the Attacker Only After He was Attacked. Al Franken was with the security guards trying to help get the heckler out of the room. However, it was only after the heckler physically attacked Franken and broke his glasses that Franken resorted to a wrestling move intended to subdue the attacker:
Ramsey said a news photographer later told him Franken reacted to being elbowed by the protester, who knocked his glasses off.
Indeed, while the Post used loaded language - "'body-slammed" - the reality is Franken subdued a man who had already assaulted two security guards. This is why the theater manager said:
I never met Al Franken before. He is now my new hero
http://alfrankenweb.com/
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Ramsey said a news photographer later told him Franken reacted to being elbowed by the protester, who knocked his glasses off.
When a second heckler ? apparently working in tandem with the first ? emerged from the audience, Dean security men and Franken went over to deal with him while the first protester headed to the balcony, Ramsey said.
While Ramsey pursued the first man to the balcony, he said, he saw Franken and three other men escort the second heckler out the stage door.
Once in the balcony, Ramsey encountered a more disturbing sight.
The protester had clambered over two or three people and had perched himself on the balcony railing.
?I thought he was going to jump. He was screaming at Dean. I was scared for a minute that he was going to jump on the stage and attack Dean,? Ramsey said.
One New Hampshire voter sitting in the balcony said the heckler ?kind of barreled through like a Patriots fullback.?
?The way he moved, I thought he was going to jump or something,? Wendy Branch of Northwood said. ?Even if he didn?t intend to jump, he was setting himself up for a fall. It was a little alarming.?
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=32449
apparently not an idiot.
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Point #1: The Heckler First Attacked People. According to Palace Theatre's manager, the heckler attacked the security guards and the theater manager:
Two members of Dean's security team immediately moved in on the man, who shoved and elbowed them, Ramsey said.
"He was screaming. He was out of control," Ramsey said.
Ramsey said he went over to help calm the situation and also got elbowed and pushed.
Point #2: Out of Control Attacker Then Presented Danger to Dean and Crowd. So what else did the heckler do that the conservative media did not report? He posed a potential danger to Howard Dean who, since he is a presidential candidate, is always subject to risk.
The protester had clambered over two or three people and had perched himself on the balcony railing.
"I thought he was going to jump. He was screaming at Dean. I was scared for a minute that he was going to jump on the stage and attack Dean," Ramsey said.
One New Hampshire voter sitting in the balcony said the heckler "kind of barreled through like a Patriots fullback."
"The way he moved, I thought he was going to jump or something," Wendy Branch of Northwood said. "Even if he didn't intend to jump, he was setting himself up for a fall. It was a little alarming."
Point #3: Franken Subdued the Attacker Only After He was Attacked. Al Franken was with the security guards trying to help get the heckler out of the room. However, it was only after the heckler physically attacked Franken and broke his glasses that Franken resorted to a wrestling move intended to subdue the attacker:
Ramsey said a news photographer later told him Franken reacted to being elbowed by the protester, who knocked his glasses off.
Indeed, while the Post used loaded language - "'body-slammed" - the reality is Franken subdued a man who had already assaulted two security guards. This is why the theater manager said:
I never met Al Franken before. He is now my new hero
http://alfrankenweb.com/
Quote
Ramsey said a news photographer later told him Franken reacted to being elbowed by the protester, who knocked his glasses off.
When a second heckler ? apparently working in tandem with the first ? emerged from the audience, Dean security men and Franken went over to deal with him while the first protester headed to the balcony, Ramsey said.
While Ramsey pursued the first man to the balcony, he said, he saw Franken and three other men escort the second heckler out the stage door.
Once in the balcony, Ramsey encountered a more disturbing sight.
The protester had clambered over two or three people and had perched himself on the balcony railing.
?I thought he was going to jump. He was screaming at Dean. I was scared for a minute that he was going to jump on the stage and attack Dean,? Ramsey said.
One New Hampshire voter sitting in the balcony said the heckler ?kind of barreled through like a Patriots fullback.?
?The way he moved, I thought he was going to jump or something,? Wendy Branch of Northwood said. ?Even if he didn?t intend to jump, he was setting himself up for a fall. It was a little alarming.?
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=32449
Red Dawn
Elite Member
LOL, that's the difference between Franken and O'Riely. Often on his show O'Riely will make a comment about getting physical with a wrong doer. Of course it's all Machismo BS meant to enhance his image of a no nonsense man of action type of person. Franken on the other hand doesn't talk about it, he just responds. Who would have thought that the real no nonsense man of action was Franken, not "Boisterous Bill"
yukichigai
Diamond Member
I find this thread amusing, as it has pretty much shown us what kinds of biases exist in what media outlets. If you can call the NY Post a media outlet that is.
I'm, with Fausto on this one; the NY Post is two hairs away from being a tabloid.
I'm, with Fausto on this one; the NY Post is two hairs away from being a tabloid.
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