AK-47 vs M-16A2 Which is a better weapon? Why?

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: KGB

Full auto == waste of bullets.

When your giving covering/supressing fire it; comes in real handy. If your retreating and need cover fast; comes in real handy. I'd rather lose a few bullets that to give the sucker precious seconds to pop his head up and shoot me or my buddy. It's not like you go into battle with 3 mags or something

Suppressive fires - won't.

- M4H

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: KGB

Full auto == waste of bullets.

When your giving covering/supressing fire it; comes in real handy. If your retreating and need cover fast; comes in real handy. I'd rather lose a few bullets that to give the sucker precious seconds to pop his head up and shoot me or my buddy. It's not like you go into battle with 3 mags or something

Suppressive fires - won't.

- M4H

funny jokes from M4H - aren't.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: KGB

Full auto == waste of bullets.

When your giving covering/supressing fire it; comes in real handy. If your retreating and need cover fast; comes in real handy. I'd rather lose a few bullets that to give the sucker precious seconds to pop his head up and shoot me or my buddy. It's not like you go into battle with 3 mags or something

Suppressive fires - won't.

- M4H

funny jokes from M4H - aren't.

Alive you are - shou

Bah. Kill yourself.

- M4H

 

[clicknext]

Originally posted by: FuZioN
well with my vast amount of games i played ;-)

The M4 is generally better but i hear the AK is the better gun in real life. Though I never heald a firearm in my life... ;-)

LOL, yes, I'm sure CS is the most accurate depiction of firearm use.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
As far as stopping power, the .223 round of the M-16 was designed such as that it was less leathal, because a wounded soilder would need another soilder or 2 to help him thus, shooting one person effectively takes 2-3 combatants out of commision.

Actually, even though it is a smaller caliber, but because of the rifling (7-1,and the 50,000 pounds of boost), it still have the stopping power at closer range (greater chance for wound at a longer distance). Hence both are high powered rifle.

50,000 pounds of boost? huh???? Also, Jeffrey Lebowski is right. Seems like the biggest complaint with experienced soldiers is the lack of stopping power of the M16/M4. Sure there's more power behind the bullet, but that tells me that it'll buzz straight through the person, whereas an M14 would leave a nice big exit wound.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
50,000 pounds of boost? huh???? Also, Jeffrey Lebowski is right. Seems like the biggest complaint with experienced soldiers is the lack of stopping power of the M16/M4. Sure there's more power behind the bullet, but that tells me that it'll buzz straight through the person, whereas an M14 would leave a nice big exit wound.

52,000 PSI to be exact, that and a combination of a 7 to 1 twist will also leave a nasty exit wound.

EDIT: man, teh link sux0r... but view as HTML and look for teh 5.56mm ball round specs.

 

[Gyrene]

Have fun fighting it out on the ground. I'll be up in a tree or a building with my Barret .50 Rifle, blowing holes in you punks from up to 1km away.

 

Seeing as this weekend I will be able to shoot both, you want me to report back?

The AK has a heavier round, comes out of the barrel at about 2400 feet per second, and almost never jams.
The AR-15 (basically the same as the M16A2) has a lighter round, a bit more accuracy and comes out of the barrel at around 3000 feet per second.

It really depends on what you like. I can always come back to this thread sunday after I go to the range and tell you which one I prefer.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Originally posted by: dtyn
Have fun fighting it out on the ground. I'll be up in a tree or a building with my Barret .50 Rifle, blowing holes in you punks from up to 1km away.

Now there's a good answer. (no sarcasm intended)

 

[BuckNaked]

Pic... M-16 series tends to be more ergonomic, more accurate, has more accesories that enhance the weapon, and is nearly as reliable as the AK when kept clean and magazines are in good shape, using good ammo...

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: dtyn
Have fun fighting it out on the ground. I'll be up in a tree or a building with my Barret .50 Rifle, blowing holes in you punks from up to 1km away.

You will be where you are ordered to be and using the weapon you are issued under most circumstances.

 

[0roo0roo]

swear i've read that the m16a2 uses rounds with more destructive power. they tumble through the body or something.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: dtyn
Have fun fighting it out on the ground. I'll be up in a tree or a building with my Barret .50 Rifle, blowing holes in you punks from up to 1km away.

You will be where you are ordered to be and using the weapon you are issued under most circumstances.

I would also, most likely, be a sniper, so I would be at a long distance no matter what. I've been training with rifles at a distance since I was 10 years old. I still remember the first time my dad's rifle (180 grain 30-06 round, forgot who made the gun) left bruises all over my shoulder. I've been trained in long distance, I doubt they would hand me M16 and waste my talent. Plus, if I'm freelancing, I make my own orders.

 

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
Pic... M-16 series tends to be more ergonomic, more accurate, has more accesories that enhance the weapon, and is nearly as reliable as the AK when kept clean and magazines are in good shape, using good ammo...

thats part of the problem right there. You NEED to keep it clean, NEED good ammo, and it NEEDS to have everything in almost perfect shape. Combat conditions are NEVER ideal, which is why the AK is the most widely used assault rifle in the world.

 

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: dtyn
Have fun fighting it out on the ground. I'll be up in a tree or a building with my Barret .50 Rifle, blowing holes in you punks from up to 1km away.

You will be where you are ordered to be and using the weapon you are issued under most circumstances.

I would also, most likely, be a sniper, so I would be at a long distance no matter what. I've been training with rifles at a distance since I was 10 years old. I still remember the first time my dad's rifle (180 grain 30-06 round, forgot who made the gun) left bruises all over my shoulder. I've been trained in long distance, I doubt they would hand me M16 and waste my talent. Plus, if I'm freelancing, I make my own orders.

being trained with hunting rifles for long distance is a far cry from being a sniper. You need to take into effect wind speed, temp, and distance. Not to mention bullet type, barrel length and the drop rate.

 

[Looney]

If i was going to shoot like a terrorist and not even aim it, but shooting wildly, then AK. Otherwise, M-16.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
Pic... M-16 series tends to be more ergonomic, more accurate, has more accesories that enhance the weapon, and is nearly as reliable as the AK when kept clean and magazines are in good shape, using good ammo...

thats part of the problem right there. You NEED to keep it clean, NEED good ammo, and it NEEDS to have everything in almost perfect shape. Combat conditions are NEVER ideal, which is why the AK is the most widely used assault rifle in the world.

It is also the most widely used due to the fact that AK's are VERY easy to come by and are VERY cheap, and are manufactured by a number of countries (russia, china, etc.). Not so with the AR.

 

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
Pic... M-16 series tends to be more ergonomic, more accurate, has more accesories that enhance the weapon, and is nearly as reliable as the AK when kept clean and magazines are in good shape, using good ammo...

thats part of the problem right there. You NEED to keep it clean, NEED good ammo, and it NEEDS to have everything in almost perfect shape. Combat conditions are NEVER ideal, which is why the AK is the most widely used assault rifle in the world.

It is also the most widely used due to the fact that AK's are VERY easy to come by and are VERY cheap, and are manufactured by a number of countries (russia, china, etc.). Not so with the AR.

this is true. But I have to say, stamped recievers and parts SUCK. I go all milled on my weapons, its the only way. A bit heavier, but the gains in accuracy and reliablity far outweigh that disadvantage.

 

[Shockwave]

I'll take an AK ANY day of the week.
The greater accuracy of the .223 is very nice, but the AK can be damned accurate enough to do the job, and more importantly, in a combat situation your gun absolutely positively HAS to fire when you need it, no questions asked. With an AK, barring your jackass buddy pulling the firing pin out the gun WILL fire. M16? Perhaps.... If its cleaned, polished, has match grade ammo and hasnt been shot once previously to you needing to shoot it
I'll sacrafice accuracy for reliability.


**EDIT**
I should add, both are equally geared for killing, so one really isnt BETTER then another IMO.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: dtyn
Have fun fighting it out on the ground. I'll be up in a tree or a building with my Barret .50 Rifle, blowing holes in you punks from up to 1km away.

You will be where you are ordered to be and using the weapon you are issued under most circumstances.

I would also, most likely, be a sniper, so I would be at a long distance no matter what. I've been training with rifles at a distance since I was 10 years old. I still remember the first time my dad's rifle (180 grain 30-06 round, forgot who made the gun) left bruises all over my shoulder. I've been trained in long distance, I doubt they would hand me M16 and waste my talent. Plus, if I'm freelancing, I make my own orders.

being trained with hunting rifles for long distance is a far cry from being a sniper. You need to take into effect wind speed, temp, and distance. Not to mention bullet type, barrel length and the drop rate.

I wasn't training with hunting rifles, I was training with my grandfather's rifle, which he gave to my dad, which was his original sniper rifle from WWII. My grandfather was a sniper in WWII and would take me out and teach me how to shoot. Believe me, I know the difference between hunting animals, and sniping people. I've heard all the stories from my grandfather. "But you've never actually killed someone, so you don't know what it's like to be a sniper" You're right, but I'm closer to it than most others who joined the armed forces, and thus would most likely be prefered for the training. When you can put 5 bullets within 7 inches of each other from 700 meters, outdoors, with the wind blowing, I'd say you're a good candidate for sniper training.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: dtyn
I wasn't training with hunting rifles, I was training with my grandfather's rifle, which he gave to my dad, which was his original sniper rifle from WWII. My grandfather was a sniper in WWII and would take me out and teach me how to shoot. Believe me, I know the difference between hunting animals, and sniping people. I've heard all the stories from my grandfather. "But you've never actually killed someone, so you don't know what it's like to be a sniper" You're right, but I'm closer to it than most others who joined the armed forces, and thus would most likely be prefered for the training. When you can put 5 bullets within 7 inches of each other from 700 meters, outdoors, with the wind blowing, I'd say you're a good candidate for sniper training.

Most snipers are good ole boys of America like dtyn here...

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: dtyn
I wasn't training with hunting rifles, I was training with my grandfather's rifle, which he gave to my dad, which was his original sniper rifle from WWII. My grandfather was a sniper in WWII and would take me out and teach me how to shoot. Believe me, I know the difference between hunting animals, and sniping people. I've heard all the stories from my grandfather. "But you've never actually killed someone, so you don't know what it's like to be a sniper" You're right, but I'm closer to it than most others who joined the armed forces, and thus would most likely be prefered for the training. When you can put 5 bullets within 7 inches of each other from 700 meters, outdoors, with the wind blowing, I'd say you're a good candidate for sniper training.

Shooting is only 1 step to sniping. You need to move through the terrain quietly and unnoticed. You need to be able to remain in some places for days with food. You need to know counter-sniping. But you are right, someone like you would be a good candidate for sniper training b/c you can shoot good. I'm always admired snipers. I'm getting off topic though

 

[Colt45]

kalashnikov, i would have to say.

 

[glenn1]

With an AK, barring your jackass buddy pulling the firing pin out the gun WILL fire. M16? Perhaps.... If its cleaned, polished, has match grade ammo and hasnt been shot once previously to you needing to shoot it

I keep on hearing this over and over again and just haven't seen it to be true in real-life. With the M-16 series rifles, the most common reason for misfire is by far magazine misfeed, with secondary reasons being failure of the extractor to properly grab the rim and eject, stovepiping, and poor ammunition quality causing insufficient gas blowback to cycle the bolt carrier. What is it for the AK-series? The same things. Most military grade individual-served weapons share this characteristic.... the magazine or ammunition feeding system is almost always the weakest link in the weapon system. Neither weapon really has an advantage over the other on any of these counts.

Yes, the Ak-series isbasicallly made from Tonka Toy parts. But that doesn't make it better. The overpowered gas drive mechanism which is the key reason normally cited for the "reliability" of the AK47 doesn't come into play at all for the most part when discussing the most common types of malfunctions. The whole debate about milled vs. stamped vs. machined vs. etc. is a bunch of cr@p. I don't care if a blacksmith made my rifle with his hammer and anvil, it's not going to ensure my magazine isn't going to double-feed my chamber.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

What it comes down to is this:

You take care of your gear, your gear will take care of you.