Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps

[RampantAndroid]

The surface of ice is wet until it gets super cold. Ice skating is possible because ice is wet.

No, it's possible because the top layer of the ice melts. Assuming that the air is below freezing and you're not hitting the ice with a lot of light, ice is not wet...wet is the liquid state of water. Ice is the solid state. Liquid water is wet.

 

[who?]

When the top layer of ice melts it is wet.

 

[RampantAndroid]

When the top layer of ice melts it is wet.

And then it is no longer ice. It is water. :whiste:

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Crazy idea right out of a James Bond film.

How do we know the co-pilot was the real Andreas Lubitz? Had the Pilot and Lubitz ever flown together before? What if the real Lubitz had been killed and his identity taken by an ISIS pilot? I suppose that investigators could compare tapes of conversations with the control towers to those from prior Lubitz flights.

Yeah, I know. I've seen too many James Bond films (like Goldeneye) and also Firefox (where Clint Eastwood became a Russian pilot).

 

[RampantAndroid]

Crazy idea right out of a James Bond film.

How do we know the co-pilot was the real Andreas Lubitz? Had the Pilot and Lubitz ever flown together before? What if the real Lubitz had been killed and his identity taken by an ISIS pilot? I suppose that investigators could compare tapes of conversations with the control towers to those from prior Lubitz flights.

Yeah, I know. I've seen too many James Bond films (like Goldeneye) and also Firefox (where Clint Eastwood became a Russian pilot).

I'm guessing that in Europe they check IDs on badges?

 

[CZroe]

And then it is no longer ice. It is water. :whiste:

But the ice is wet because it has liquid water on it just like my shirt is wet when it has liquid water on it. My shirt does not need to become liquid water to be wet with water just like ice with a thin coating of liquid water.

 

[rudder]

<insert meme about the WORLD jumping to conclusions>

- pilot locked out of the cockpit: How do we know it was him banging on the door?

- copilot locked the door thus the code to re-enter the cockpit is useless: How do we know this? the DATA recorder has yet to be found

- the copilot took the plane off autopilot and purposely flew the plane into the mountain: how do we know the autopilot was even on?
Again, the data recorder has yet to be found!

Because they have audio of the captain banging on the door for 5 minutes. Presumably he was calling out the copilot's name.

 

[z1ggy]

<insert meme about the WORLD jumping to conclusions>

- pilot locked out of the cockpit: How do we know it was him banging on the door?

- copilot locked the door thus the code to re-enter the cockpit is useless: How do we know this? the DATA recorder has yet to be found

- the copilot took the plane off autopilot and purposely flew the plane into the mountain: how do we know the autopilot was even on?
Again, the data recorder has yet to be found!

Just read an article stating he pressed a button to have the plane descend from 38kft to 100ft (lowest amount). So I'm assuming they found the data recorder now.

 

[purbeast0]

In this day and age, why are black boxes on the physical plane and not in a remote location with data being streamed to them?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Just read an article stating he pressed a button to have the plane descend from 38kft to 100ft (lowest amount). So I'm assuming they found the data recorder now.

That analysis came from FlightRadar24 from analyzing the transponder data being transmitted.

http://forum.flightradar24.com/thre...transponder-of-4U9525-and-found-some-more-dat

 

[z1ggy]

That analysis came from FlightRadar24 from analyzing the transponder data being transmitted.

http://forum.flightradar24.com/thre...transponder-of-4U9525-and-found-some-more-dat

What's the difference between transponder data and flight recorder data? Does data sent out via the transponder not differentiate between if a plane decreases altitude from an auto pilot command, or intentional manual manipulation? And does it even matter at this point if he simply pressed a button to make it go down, or if he did it himself? Odd to me that if he was manually controlling the plane, that he'd take it down in such a controlled motion. Seems like a nose dive as fast as possible would do the job same as a 5 minute descent.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What's the difference between transponder data and flight recorder data? Does data sent out via the transponder not differentiate between if a plane decreases altitude from an auto pilot command, or intentional manual manipulation? And does it even matter at this point if he simply pressed a button to make it go down, or if he did it himself? Odd to me that if he was manually controlling the plane, that he'd take it down in such a controlled motion. Seems like a nose dive as fast as possible would do the job same as a 5 minute descent.

Flight data recorders record every data input from the aircraft. Transponders are used by ATC to assist in identifying aircraft and their location. If you read through the thread at FlightRadar 24 I liked it explains some of what you are asking as far as how they would determine the settings being inputted for the autopilot altitude. I'm no expert on the subject.

 

[JEDI]

Just read an article stating he pressed a button to have the plane descend from 38kft to 100ft (lowest amount). So I'm assuming they found the data recorder now.

"Transponder data shows that the autopilot was reprogrammed during the flight by someone inside the cockpit to change the plane's altitude from 38,000 feet to 100 feet."

what is transponder data?
how is it captured?
is it like a live feed to the air traffic controller's computer?

and this would explain the slow 8min death decent instead of the push the yolk forward and dive bomb into the ground in 1 min.

it's like suicide by cop. u cant pull to the trigger to kill yourself. let somebody/something else do it.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I'm guessing that in Europe they check IDs on badges?

Sure, but so what? An Andreas Libutz impersonator would look passable as him.

 

[Jaskalas]

Sure, but so what? An Andreas Libutz impersonator would look passable as him.

That's not a terrible theory, we just don't have any indicators leading us towards it.

 

[Subyman]

Did they find anything in the house yet?

 

[boomerang]

Did they find anything in the house yet?

Yes, in two residences but they're not saying what at this point. There is some evidence of a potential religious influence which is certain to rile up some people here. Nothing for certain on that at this point.

There is also some noise about him being deemed unworthy of being granted a pilot's license with of course an obvious reversal on that. There is also a report of him being under psychological treatment for 18 months.

 

[Hugo Drax]

"Transponder data shows that the autopilot was reprogrammed during the flight by someone inside the cockpit to change the plane's altitude from 38,000 feet to 100 feet."

what is transponder data?
how is it captured?
is it like a live feed to the air traffic controller's computer?

and this would explain the slow 8min death decent instead of the push the yolk forward and dive bomb into the ground in 1 min.

it's like suicide by cop. u cant pull to the trigger to kill yourself. let somebody/something else do it.

Exactly. He did not have the balls to do it so he let the plane do it for him, instead of him pushing the stick forward and taking action.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yes, in two residences but they're not saying what at this point. There is some evidence of a potential religious influence which is certain to rile up some people here. Nothing for certain on that at this point.

There is also some noise about him being deemed unworthy of being granted a pilot's license with of course an obvious reversal on that. There is also a report of him being under psychological treatment for 18 months.

Right now it's looking like doctors had declared him unfit to work.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

 

[Magic Carpet]

Lufthansa, the German carrier that owns Germanwings, says it has adopted the "rule of two" - requiring at least two authorised people to be present in the cockpit at all times. Several other airlines have also pledged to adopt this rule over the last 24 hours, following the latest news about the Germanwings crash. The rule has been in place for longer among US airlines.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/32085476

 

[Abwx]

Right now it's looking like doctors had declared him unfit to work.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

Some fuzzy theory :

Despite being unfit to work he did hide this fact to his company, this mean that it was this very plane that he wanted to crash, otherwise why not wait to be fit and do the thing with another plane..??.

So it s quite possible that he was sure that the relevant person(s) would be flying in this plane and at this moment he could knew only the list of his colleagues, not of the passengers, it s possible that people from his company were the real target, not himself and the rest of the passengers as collateral damage...

Check for the woman and the eventual annoying rival, what if they were both in this plane and that it was some kind of revenge.?..

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Some fuzzy theory :

Despite being unfit to work he did hide this fact to his company, this mean that it was this very plane that he wanted to crash, otherwise why not wait to be fit and do the thing with another plane..??.

So it s quite possible that he was sure that the relevant person(s) would be flying in this plane and at this moment he could knew only the list of his colleagues, not of the passengers, it s possible that people from his company were the real target, not himself and the rest of the passengers as collateral damage...

Check for the woman and the eventual annoying rival, what if they were both in this plane and that it was some kind of revenge.?..

Or it just means he was deem unfit to work for a specific time and, realizing his dreams were over or, if it was due to mental illness, this just pushed him over the edge and he took the first opportunity that presented itself when he found himself alone in the cockpit.

 

[who?]

The big question is did he decide to do this in advance or did he just do it on the spur of the moment.

 

[Abwx]

Or it just means he was deem unfit to work for a specific time and, realizing his dreams were over or, if it was due to mental illness, this just pushed him over the edge and he took the first opportunity that presented itself when he found himself alone in the cockpit.

He had more serious medical issues years before and this wasnt a problem, while recently he was following some treatment, but the company was fully aware of this fact and apparently this didnt prevent him to work in the weeks preceding this event.

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/articl...ote-souffrant-de-depression_4602441_3214.html

But at this point anything is possible, one can only wonder what did happen in his brain that did trigger such a radical decision..

The guy :

His appartment :

I mean, as a pilot he didnt had a miserable life materialy speaking.

What could it be else than someone who thought that this was the end of the world because of a love affair that didnt work as well as expected..??.

 

[Hugo Drax]

The big question is did he decide to do this in advance or did he just do it on the spur of the moment.

I suspect spur of the moment. The opportunity arose, and he got recently dumped and he was mentally ill.

I bet he was a hookup, nepotism or connected to someone who gave him the job.

Typically you dont see green pilots fresh out of school as A320 copilots. And he already had issues where he had to take mental breaks etc.. and they still let him fly.

He probably got lots of get out of jail cards, connected to someone I bet.