Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps

[CZroe]

Given UAVs have been around for a while I'm surprised I haven't seen talk about this before. It is starting to make a lot of sense...the main issue is security (how do you stop a terrorist from gaining remote control.)

You're telling me. Iran was able to commandeer a top secret spy UAV by jamming and spoofing the secure GPS-like navigational system the RQ-170 drone used to literally steer it to an airport of their choosing. Terrorists only need to figure out the jamming part. Also, as MH370 showed us, planes are not always within range for something like remote control without new sat systems.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Why do they have a kill setting for autopilot, The news is reporting that he set the autopilot for kill.

That feature should be removed.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Why do they have a kill setting for autopilot, The news is reporting that he set the autopilot for kill.

That feature should be removed.

kill = altitude below ground.

 

[Subyman]

He did not have labored breathing or panicked breathing. They know the cadence of conscious breathing. His breathing did not slow. He had to override to block the other pilot. Process of elimination tells us that he remained conscious and in control, therefore, his silence was also deliberate.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. People are claiming he brought it down deliberately, yet that doesn't follow from someone "breathing normally" anymore than someone passed out. Someone aiming an airplane into the ground likely wouldn't be calm. Its not anymore more likely that he is a zen buddhist keeping his cool in the face of mass murder as it is for him to have been unconscious and breathing regularly. I'm not claiming either side, I don't really have an opinion on this one way or another. Not enough information yet.

 

[Hugo Drax]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. People are claiming he brought it down deliberately, yet that doesn't follow from someone "breathing normally" anymore than someone passed out. Someone aiming an airplane into the ground likely wouldn't be calm. Its not anymore more likely that he is a zen buddhist keeping his cool in the face of mass murder as it is for him to have been unconscious and breathing regularly. I'm not claiming either side, I don't really have an opinion on this one way or another. Not enough information yet.

The most likely scenario is not co pilot committing suicide and inhibiting the entry code via the button, but ISIS taking control over the airplane and locking out the pilot, disabling the code, but luck had it that the co-pilot got sick at the same time and this is what really happened.

 

[Sulaco]

The most likely scenario is not co pilot committing suicide and inhibiting the entry code via the button, but ISIS taking control over the airplane and locking out the pilot, disabling the code, but luck had it that the co-pilot got sick at the same time and this is what really happened.

Seriously. 150 people just died in a gruesome, horrible way.

Are you really trolling this thread this much? Your schtick is not funny or amusing in the least. It's embarrassing.

 

[Pneumothorax]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. People are claiming he brought it down deliberately, yet that doesn't follow from someone "breathing normally" anymore than someone passed out. Someone aiming an airplane into the ground likely wouldn't be calm. Its not anymore more likely that he is a zen buddhist keeping his cool in the face of mass murder as it is for him to have been unconscious and breathing regularly. I'm not claiming either side, I don't really have an opinion on this one way or another. Not enough information yet.

A plausible explanation is that he drugged himself with some benzos like Valium/Xanax. Hopefully there's enough of his body that they can collect for tissue samples to run toxicology, but considering he was at the front. Unlikely to happen.

 

[LegendKiller]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. People are claiming he brought it down deliberately, yet that doesn't follow from someone "breathing normally" anymore than someone passed out. Someone aiming an airplane into the ground likely wouldn't be calm. Its not anymore more likely that he is a zen buddhist keeping his cool in the face of mass murder as it is for him to have been unconscious and breathing regularly. I'm not claiming either side, I don't really have an opinion on this one way or another. Not enough information yet.

They know somebody set the autopilot to go to 100'. The also found something at his home that might explain it. He did it.

 

[LegendKiller]

A plausible explanation is that he drugged himself with some benzos like Valium/Xanax. Hopefully there's enough of his body that they can collect for tissue samples to run toxicology, but considering he was at the front. Unlikely to happen.

He was in the front of a plane going many hundred miles per hour straight into a mountain When it was still full of fuel. Unlikely that there is much left of anybody in a recognizable manner. They will likely just dna everything they can find. Probably not enough to run toxicology.

 

[CZroe]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. People are claiming he brought it down deliberately, yet that doesn't follow from someone "breathing normally" anymore than someone passed out. Someone aiming an airplane into the ground likely wouldn't be calm. Its not anymore more likely that he is a zen buddhist keeping his cool in the face of mass murder as it is for him to have been unconscious and breathing regularly. I'm not claiming either side, I don't really have an opinion on this one way or another. Not enough information yet.

There's a lot you can tell and you seem to be ignoring that. They didn't say that his breathing was calm, just that it was normal. He wasn't gasping for air. He wasn't breathing intermittently. He wasn't having trouble breathing in any way. His breathing did not slow like it would for someone who is sleeping or unconscious and there was no interruption from an accident or other event they could hear. We also know he WAS conscious because he actively blocked the pilot and crew from entering with their code, so he could not have been unconscious. Don't suggest that again unless you have an explanation. There is no way *actively* blocking their entry helped him concentrate or control the plane in some other emergency.

Seriously. 150 people just died in a gruesome, horrible way.

Are you really trolling this thread this much? Your schtick is not funny or amusing in the least. It's embarrassing.

He's making fun of Subyman's conclusion.

 

[DCal430]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. People are claiming he brought it down deliberately, yet that doesn't follow from someone "breathing normally" anymore than someone passed out. Someone aiming an airplane into the ground likely wouldn't be calm. Its not anymore more likely that he is a zen buddhist keeping his cool in the face of mass murder as it is for him to have been unconscious and breathing regularly. I'm not claiming either side, I don't really have an opinion on this one way or another. Not enough information yet.

This is 100% wrong wrong wrong. When you pass out you do NOT breath normally. When you are a sleep or passed out your heart rate and breathing lower significantly.

 

[Subyman]

This is 100% wrong wrong wrong. When you pass out you do NOT breath normally. When you are a sleep or passed out your heart rate and breathing lower significantly.

But when you are tilting a plane down into the ground you are breathing normally?

I'm not saying he didn't intentionally do it, I just find his "breathing" to be a dumb piece of evidence. Him setting the auto pilot to 100', locking the cabin door, and such are much better pieces of evidence.

 

[Subyman]

He's making fun of Subyman's conclusion.

And you quote me just before saying:

I'm not claiming either side, I don't really have an opinion on this one way or another. Not enough information yet.

I find the breathing "evidence" to be very weak. The other evidence is becoming more revealing.

 

[DCal430]

Well... only way to explain that is you cannot physically descend the Airbus any faster. Flight controls do not allow an angle so steep that you'd rip the wings off.

Can anyone with greater knowledge confirm that the computer would prevent a 2 minute descent?

You can if you force a stall, as a simple free fall results in a quicker decent.

 

[DCal430]

But when you are tilting a plane down into the ground you are breathing normally?

I'm not saying he didn't intentionally do it, I just find his "breathing" to be a dumb piece of evidence. Him setting the auto pilot to 100', locking the cabin door, and such are much better pieces of evidence.

Yes you could be if you have no care or fear of dying. To you it is nothing. The breathing is important because it shows he wasn't unconscious.

 

[Darwin333]

You can if you force a stall, as a simple free fall results in a quicker decent.

I believe the new Airbus computer system will take over control and/or not allow you to put the aircraft in such a severe stall.

 

[CZroe]

But when you are tilting a plane down into the ground you are breathing normally?

I'm not saying he didn't intentionally do it, I just find his "breathing" to be a dumb piece of evidence. Him setting the auto pilot to 100', locking the cabin door, and such are much better pieces of evidence.

The "breathing normally" was never used WITHOUT those other bits of information. Even accelerated breathing you're talking about is "normal" with no indication that he was having an issue that would prevent him from responding IN THE CONTEXT OF SOMEONE WHO WAS CONSCIOUS AND CAPABLE OF LOCKING THE OTHER PILOT OUT.

 

[crashtech]

You can if you force a stall, as a simple free fall results in a quicker decent.

But a stall is a good way to lose control of the aircraft. It's falling without style.

 

[MongGrel]

I believe the new Airbus computer system will take over control and/or not allow you to put the aircraft in such a severe stall.

I would imagine it would, on a multi million dollar aircraft.

Of course you'd think they would also make the thing take over and avoid flying it into a mountain also, when the onboard radar could pprobably pick that up, most things a pilot can manually over ride still I imagine.

I know it's not a military aircraft flying NOE, but I may wrongly assume they have some form of radar on airliners that can detect things somewhat ?

Perhaps not.

 

[JEDI]

<insert meme about the WORLD jumping to conclusions>

- pilot locked out of the cockpit: How do we know it was him banging on the door?

- copilot locked the door thus the code to re-enter the cockpit is useless: How do we know this? the DATA recorder has yet to be found

- the copilot took the plane off autopilot and purposely flew the plane into the mountain: how do we know the autopilot was even on?
Again, the data recorder has yet to be found!

 

[RampantAndroid]

<insert meme about the WORLD jumping to conclusions>

- pilot locked out of the cockpit: How do we know it was him banging on the door?

- copilot locked the door thus the code to re-enter the cockpit is useless: How do we know this? the DATA recorder has yet to be found

- the copilot took the plane off autopilot and purposely flew the plane into the mountain: how do we know the autopilot was even on?
Again, the data recorder has yet to be found!

Another service that reports data was used to determine the autopilot was still on.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ge...voice-recorder-yields-timeline-terror-n330616

"We hear several calls from the pilot to access the cockpit," Robin said.

But Lubitz never responded, even when the captain physically knocked on the door.

If a pilot becomes incapacitated in the cockpit, a code entered on a keypad will release the lock after a pre-programmed delay &#8212; but not if the double lock has been selected from within. The double lock cannot be overridden from the passenger cabin.

That means "we are speaking of a deliberate action to refuse to open the door &#8230; for the commander," Robin said.

Maybe you should read the articles.

 

[Subyman]

The "breathing normally" was never used WITHOUT those other bits of information. Even accelerated breathing you're talking about is "normal" with no indication that he was having an issue that would prevent him from responding IN THE CONTEXT OF SOMEONE WHO WAS CONSCIOUS AND CAPABLE OF LOCKING THE OTHER PILOT OUT.

I think he got up, slipped, his toe hit the lock button, his other leg manipulated the controls and programmed the autopilot to descend, and then he laid passed out breathing normally. 😛

 

[Jaskalas]

I think he got up, slipped, his toe hit the lock button, his other leg manipulated the controls and programmed the autopilot to descend, and then he laid passed out breathing normally. 😛

P&N... where "water is wet" becomes a serious topic and arguments line up to support both sides.

 

[Subyman]

P&N... where "water is wet" becomes a serious topic and arguments line up to support both sides.

Ice isn't wet.

 

[who?]

Ice isn't wet.

The surface of ice is wet until it gets super cold. Ice skating is possible because ice is wet.