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ch33zw1z said:
What's your point. Are you saying it's ok for them because we did it too?
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They work what they can to reduce it. Higher efficiency, huge amounts of money invested into renewable energy, building all the nuclear plants that the world got capacity to build. But when you are transforming 1.3 billion people into a western lifestyle in a short amount of time. It has to be this way.

You always have to look inside first. When an average american household uses 11500Kw/h and a german uses 3100kw/h. Who needs to reduce? (The answer is both.)

Western households should actually be down to around 1500Kw/h a year at this time. My own household is around 1000Kw/h a year.

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Thats 300 million americans vs 1350 million chinese. Is that fair? And we point fingers?
 
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ShintaiDK said:
They work what they can to reduce it. Higher efficiency, huge amounts of money invested into renewable energy, building all the nuclear plants that the world got capacity to build. But when you are transforming 1.3 billion people into a western lifestyle in a short amount of time. It has to be this way.

You always have to look inside first. When an average american household uses 11500Kw/h and a german uses 3100kw/h. Who needs to reduce? (The answer is both.)

Western households should actually be down to around 1500Kw/h a year at this time. My own household is around 1000Kw/h a year.

The US got 300 million people and they use the same amount as 1.3 billion chinese.
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So, the answer to my question is?
 
ShintaiDK said:
Little history example in pollution. Pittsburgh anno 1950s.

Pollution was once so bad in Pittsburgh that it could block out the midday sun.
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Same thing in Gary Indiana.

http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/638.html

The steel mills discharged the largest quantities of waste.

Skies glowed red at night from iron oxide particles spewed by open-hearth ovens.

Slag from blast furnaces was used to fill swampy land and extend the lakeshore.

Coal tars from coke plants and acids from finishing mills coated the Grand Calumet River.

Corporations dumped much of the captured waste into poorly designed landfills, as this method of disposal was not carefully regulated until the late 1970s.
 
ShintaiDK said:
They work what they can to reduce it. Higher efficiency, huge amounts of money invested into renewable energy, building all the nuclear plants that the world got capacity to build. But when you are transforming 1.3 billion people into a western lifestyle in a short amount of time. It has to be this way.

You always have to look inside first. When an average american household uses 11500Kw/h and a german uses 3100kw/h. Who needs to reduce? (The answer is both.)

Western households should actually be down to around 1500Kw/h a year at this time. My own household is around 1000Kw/h a year.

Worlds-Top-10-Polluting-Countries-2012.jpg


Thats 300 million americans vs 1350 million chinese. Is that fair? And we point fingers?
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So, what you're saying, is that it's ok because other countries have done it...and that we shouldn't learn from our mistakes?
 
ch33zw1z said:
So, the answer to my question is?
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Compared to the US, they can polute basicly 4 times as much as they do now. And be in they "right" to do so. Per capita the US is the number 1 poluter in the world. Its the last country on earth that should tell or educate anyone else in this matter.

Perhapsm also explains why the US wont agree on international commitments in the area.
 
I agree. The US is in no place to lecture other countries about pollution. We're the worst in the world at it and unlike China which is a developing nation, we have laws and hopefully education to stop it and we still do it.
 
ShintaiDK said:
Compared to the US, they can polute basicly 4 times as much as they do now. And be in they "right" to do so. Per capita the US is the number 1 poluter in the world. Its the last country on earth that should tell or educate anyone else in this matter.

Perhapsm also explains why the US wont agree on international commitments in the area.
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Short answer to my questions = yes, yes you do believe it's ok and we shouldn't learn from our mistakes as a race. Ok, cool. I'll take your opinion for what it's worth, an opinion.
 
ShintaiDK said:
What 2 countries made the great garbage patches the size of texas in the pacific?
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Atleast we aren't dumping it off on our poorest citizens. Didn't China get caught giving out Rice made with Plastic to their poor citizens?

Even in the worst neighborhoods in the US, those people still have access to clean water.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Short answer to my questions = yes, yes you do believe it's ok and we shouldn't learn from our mistakes as a race. Ok, cool. I'll take your opinion for what it's worth, an opinion.
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I knew you would have that attitude. Its ok for you to pollute 4 times more than a chinese. And you want others to reduce their pollution and do all the work? You are a hypocrite.

If the US just got down to european pollution per capita amount. 10% of the worlds pollution would be gone.
 
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ShintaiDK said:
I knew you would have that attitude. Its ok for you to pollute 4 times more than a chinese. And you want others to reduce their pollution and do all the work? You are a hypocrite.

If the US just got down to european pollution per capita amount. 10% of the worlds pollution would be gone.
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hah, quote me where I said it was ok for any country to pollute in the amount that we (as a human race) do. You won't find it...but whatever, keep on hatin'.

You answered my questions, loud and clear.
 
ShintaiDK said:
They work what they can to reduce it. Higher efficiency, huge amounts of money invested into renewable energy, building all the nuclear plants that the world got capacity to build. But when you are transforming 1.3 billion people into a western lifestyle in a short amount of time. It has to be this way.

You always have to look inside first. When an average american household uses 11500Kw/h and a german uses 3100kw/h. Who needs to reduce? (The answer is both.)

Western households should actually be down to around 1500Kw/h a year at this time. My own household is around 1000Kw/h a year.

Worlds-Top-10-Polluting-Countries-2012.jpg


Thats 300 million americans vs 1350 million chinese. Is that fair? And we point fingers?
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uuhh...that graph accounts for greenhouse gas emissions. I agree that such emissions are something to be concerned with however the immediate problem for the Chinese (and their global neighbors) is the vast amounts of ozone, PM2.5, sulfur, and other crazy bad shit they are dumping into the atmosphere. The impending healthcare cost alone boggles my mind. The argument can be made that all nations experience this when moving through development and industrialization but the Chinese have access to a vast array of empirical evidence as to how this will affect them in the future...information that previously developing nations didn't really have.
 
We all want education, consumer goods, technology, science yet we want to reduce pollution and live in a better world? Please get your priorities right. You can't have all that and yet have a clean world. Now that all the countries in the world want to be Western, multiply the destruction of the earth several times.
 
raildogg said:
We all want education, consumer goods, technology, science yet we want to reduce pollution and live in a better world? Please get your priorities right. You can't have all that and yet have a clean world. Now that all the countries in the world want to be Western, multiply the destruction of the earth several times.
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Yes you can. Quit being a Defeatist.
 
sandorski said:
Yes you can. Quit being a Defeatist.
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Have you not seen the destruction of the earth in the 21st century? Imagine that level of destruction continuing in the upcoming decades, let alone centuries. With the huge population growth rates in poor countries (due to science), combined with their appetite for Western style life, I don't see anything good. All I see is more focus on science, education, material goods, consumerism. Rather than respecting the earth, we're trying to find new ways, through science, to manipulate it to suit our needs. How long can this continue?
 
raildogg said:
Have you not seen the destruction of the earth in the 21st century? Imagine that level of destruction continuing in the upcoming decades, let alone centuries. With the huge population growth rates in poor countries (due to science), combined with their appetite for Western style life, I don't see anything good. All I see is more focus on science, education, material goods, consumerism. Rather than respecting the earth, we're trying to find new ways, through science, to manipulate it to suit our needs. How long can this continue?
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You assume nothing will change. I have Hope that it will.
 
raildogg said:
Have you not seen the destruction of the earth in the 21st century? Imagine that level of destruction continuing in the upcoming decades, let alone centuries. With the huge population growth rates in poor countries (due to science), combined with their appetite for Western style life, I don't see anything good. All I see is more focus on science, education, material goods, consumerism. Rather than respecting the earth, we're trying to find new ways, through science, to manipulate it to suit our needs. How long can this continue?
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War will reap billions, problem solved.
 
ShintaiDK said:
Do they? I heard fracking pollutes the water and sometimes even gasses the houses.
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lol Fracking? Did you hear about that on TV?

AFAIK Pollutants due to Fracking affects areas that are being drilled for Natural Gas. For the majority of the American population, this is not a problem.
 
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