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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yeah, just asking questions, that's hilarious:

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Bwahahaha. Still smarting over that thread, eh? Those righteous and kind fruit loopers from Air America ripping off the poor kids and old people of New York. Shame on them.

Sure sounds like you're throwing the book at them w/o any hard proof other than some blogger's anonymous source and an editorial that parrots the same sketchy information.
The proof is in Air America's reply. Ignore it if you want.

They've admitted no wrong doing in their reply. It's all in your head, as usual. You know TLC, I do believe you've become what you hate the most: A total looper who rushes to judgement without all of the facts, before the investigation has completed and makes accusations based on only the flimsiest "evidence" from anonymous sources and bloggers who don't bother to fact-check or vet their posts.

You're pathetic.
They've admitted the "transaction" took place. Nor does their reply say it's been paid back yet. It claims only that they agreed to "fully compnesate" them. And just the slightest application of analytical thought would tell you that they have not done so or there wouldn't have been a scramble to replace those funds. But don't bother actually using your head. Just spew BS all over the place in some lame attempt to malign me and focus on me in order to divert from the topic.

Now are you quite done looking ignorant?

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yeah, just asking questions, that's hilarious:

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Bwahahaha. Still smarting over that thread, eh? Those righteous and kind fruit loopers from Air America ripping off the poor kids and old people of New York. Shame on them.

Sure sounds like you're throwing the book at them w/o any hard proof other than some blogger's anonymous source and an editorial that parrots the same sketchy information.
The proof is in Air America's reply. Ignore it if you want.

They've admitted no wrong doing in their reply. It's all in your head, as usual. You know TLC, I do believe you've become what you hate the most: A total looper who rushes to judgement without all of the facts, before the investigation has completed and makes accusations based on only the flimsiest "evidence" from anonymous sources and bloggers who don't bother to fact-check or vet their posts.

You're pathetic.
They've admitted the "transaction" took place. Nor does their reply say it's been paid back yet. It claims only that they agreed to "fully compnesate" them. And just the slightest application of analytical thought would tell you that they have not done so or there wouldn't have been a scramble to replace those funds. But don't bother actually using your head. Just spew BS all over the place in some lame attempt to malign me and focus on me in order to divert from the topic.

Now are you quite done looking ignorant?

TLC, I usually think that you are disingenuous in your posts but relatively coherent. This time I think that you are so completely off base that you are on the road to sounding stupid.

First off, do a wee bit of research and you will see that the "loan" was NOT MADE TO AIR AMERICA. Period end of that discussion. The loan was made to Progress Media who was the parent company. Secondly, the new owners DID NOT TAKE OVER ALL OF PROGRESS MEDIA. They only bought the broadcasting company subsidiary from liquidation.

The assets of Air America are reported to be sold to a new corporate entity, leaving creditors of its existing corporate parents, Progress Media and Radio Free America, high and dry. According to the Chicago Tribune article, the new owner will be an outfit called Piquant, LLC, controlled by the original founders of the mini-net, Sheldon and Anita Drobney. Supposedly, millions are owed by the current corporate parents.

The new owners have no obligation whatsoever to repay a dime of those funds. They have committed to do so anyway because it is the right thing to do. Geez, get a freakin brain or just put in your sig that you are going to lie to make your point so that n00bs don't take you serious.
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yeah, just asking questions, that's hilarious:

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Bwahahaha. Still smarting over that thread, eh? Those righteous and kind fruit loopers from Air America ripping off the poor kids and old people of New York. Shame on them.

Sure sounds like you're throwing the book at them w/o any hard proof other than some blogger's anonymous source and an editorial that parrots the same sketchy information.
The proof is in Air America's reply. Ignore it if you want.

They've admitted no wrong doing in their reply. It's all in your head, as usual. You know TLC, I do believe you've become what you hate the most: A total looper who rushes to judgement without all of the facts, before the investigation has completed and makes accusations based on only the flimsiest "evidence" from anonymous sources and bloggers who don't bother to fact-check or vet their posts.

You're pathetic.
They've admitted the "transaction" took place. Nor does their reply say it's been paid back yet. It claims only that they agreed to "fully compnesate" them. And just the slightest application of analytical thought would tell you that they have not done so or there wouldn't have been a scramble to replace those funds. But don't bother actually using your head. Just spew BS all over the place in some lame attempt to malign me and focus on me in order to divert from the topic.

Now are you quite done looking ignorant?

TLC, I usually think that you are disingenuous in your posts but relatively coherent. This time I think that you are so completely off base that you are on the road to sounding stupid.

First off, do a wee bit of research and you will see that the "loan" was NOT MADE TO AIR AMERICA. Period end of that discussion. The loan was made to Progress Media who was the parent company. Secondly, the new owners DID NOT TAKE OVER ALL OF PROGRESS MEDIA. They only bought the broadcasting company subsidiary from liquidation.

The assets of Air America are reported to be sold to a new corporate entity, leaving creditors of its existing corporate parents, Progress Media and Radio Free America, high and dry. According to the Chicago Tribune article, the new owner will be an outfit called Piquant, LLC, controlled by the original founders of the mini-net, Sheldon and Anita Drobney. Supposedly, millions are owed by the current corporate parents.

The new owners have no obligation whatsoever to repay a dime of those funds. They have committed to do so anyway because it is the right thing to do. Geez, get a freakin brain or just put in your sig that you are going to lie to make your point so that n00bs don't take you serious.

I bet your the same kind of person that claims companies like Wachovia should have to pay slavery reparations.

Oh, the irony of it all!
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yeah, just asking questions, that's hilarious:

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Bwahahaha. Still smarting over that thread, eh? Those righteous and kind fruit loopers from Air America ripping off the poor kids and old people of New York. Shame on them.

Sure sounds like you're throwing the book at them w/o any hard proof other than some blogger's anonymous source and an editorial that parrots the same sketchy information.
The proof is in Air America's reply. Ignore it if you want.

You have ignored the truth in their reply. Let me c/p my previous post for you to spin:

Did you actually take the time to READ the statement by AAR, TLC? It states that the money was given to Progess Media. AAR WAS AT ONE TIME a subsidy of Progress Media but ceased to be upon the sell of the broadcast company. The OP's and your subsequent claims are based on circular logic at best and outright deception at worst. The fact that the new owners of AAR repaid the loan for Progress Media is what you probably wouldn't recognize.....class.

If you want to come back and play when you are willing to use facts instead of pure intellectual dishonesty, feel free.

Do you mean TLC lied to attack the left? I am shocked.
 
BTW, Piquant doesn't state whether they have actually paid the money back, only that they agreed to do so "months ago".
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yeah, just asking questions, that's hilarious:

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Bwahahaha. Still smarting over that thread, eh? Those righteous and kind fruit loopers from Air America ripping off the poor kids and old people of New York. Shame on them.

Sure sounds like you're throwing the book at them w/o any hard proof other than some blogger's anonymous source and an editorial that parrots the same sketchy information.
The proof is in Air America's reply. Ignore it if you want.

They've admitted no wrong doing in their reply. It's all in your head, as usual. You know TLC, I do believe you've become what you hate the most: A total looper who rushes to judgement without all of the facts, before the investigation has completed and makes accusations based on only the flimsiest "evidence" from anonymous sources and bloggers who don't bother to fact-check or vet their posts.

You're pathetic.
They've admitted the "transaction" took place. Nor does their reply say it's been paid back yet. It claims only that they agreed to "fully compnesate" them. And just the slightest application of analytical thought would tell you that they have not done so or there wouldn't have been a scramble to replace those funds. But don't bother actually using your head. Just spew BS all over the place in some lame attempt to malign me and focus on me in order to divert from the topic.

Now are you quite done looking ignorant?

TLC, I usually think that you are disingenuous in your posts but relatively coherent. This time I think that you are so completely off base that you are on the road to sounding stupid.

First off, do a wee bit of research and you will see that the "loan" was NOT MADE TO AIR AMERICA. Period end of that discussion. The loan was made to Progress Media who was the parent company. Secondly, the new owners DID NOT TAKE OVER ALL OF PROGRESS MEDIA. They only bought the broadcasting company subsidiary from liquidation.

The assets of Air America are reported to be sold to a new corporate entity, leaving creditors of its existing corporate parents, Progress Media and Radio Free America, high and dry. According to the Chicago Tribune article, the new owner will be an outfit called Piquant, LLC, controlled by the original founders of the mini-net, Sheldon and Anita Drobney. Supposedly, millions are owed by the current corporate parents.

The new owners have no obligation whatsoever to repay a dime of those funds. They have committed to do so anyway because it is the right thing to do. Geez, get a freakin brain or just put in your sig that you are going to lie to make your point so that n00bs don't take you serious.
If you'd have done enough research, or would have provided the link to where you got your information from, you might have noted this as well:

http://www.professorbainbridge.com/2004/06/air_america_the.html

Yet, on facts like this, the creditors do have a couple of cards to play. They can attack the transaction as a fraudulent transfer.

Basically, a Fraudulent Transfer (a/k/a "Fraudulent Conveyance") is a transfer which a debtor makes for the purpose of defeating a creditor's collection efforts against the debtor. This typically happens when, say, a debtor attempts to "sell" everything to his wife, cousin or business partner for $5 to keep his stuff out of the hands of his creditors. If the court figures out that the transaction is a sham to defeat the creditor, the court will set aside the transaction and make the person holding the assets give them to the creditor.

As Thomas notes, this transaction smacks of an effort to hinder Air America's creditors, which is decidedly not a good thing. Since it appears likely, based on the WSJ article, moreover, that the selling entities were de facto insolvent at the time of the transfer, the probability that a court would find a fraudulent transfer goes up significantly. The sellers will have to show that the selling entities received fair value and that the transaction had economic substance above and beyond merely stiffing their creditors.

Another option for the creditors would be to seek to pierce the corporate veil of the selling entities to hold their owners liable. Since the purchasing entity was owned by most of the same investors as the selling entities (another factor that will weigh in favor of finding a fraudulent transfer, by the way), the creditors may be able to recover from the individual investors. As I explain in Chapter 4 of my book Corporation Law and Economics, the precise phrasing of the test for veil piercing varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Under a common phrasing, the creditors would have to show that:

(1) the corporation was the controlling shareholder's alter ego; and (2) adherence to the limited liability rule would "sanction a fraud or promote injustice." Under this standard, the prospect of an unsatisfied claim is not enough to meet the latter prong of the test. After all, why would a plaintiff invoke the doctrine if the corporation had enough assets to satisfy the claim? If an unsatisfied claim sufficed, the veil would be pierced in every case. ... Instead, there must be some element of unjust enrichment.
If they could show that the investors allowed the selling entities to continue borrowing even while the investors were planning the reorganization, for example, the requisite fraud or injustice could be found.
Make excuses and apologies for Air America's scam all you want. This sheds even more light on the extent of what scammers they are, and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey

They've admitted no wrong doing in their reply. It's all in your head, as usual. You know TLC, I do believe you've become what you hate the most: A total looper who rushes to judgement without all of the facts, before the investigation has completed and makes accusations based on only the flimsiest "evidence" from anonymous sources and bloggers who don't bother to fact-check or vet their posts.

You're pathetic.
Would you say the same about the people pre-judging Rove? Or is hypocrisy only a 1 way street?
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey

They've admitted no wrong doing in their reply. It's all in your head, as usual. You know TLC, I do believe you've become what you hate the most: A total looper who rushes to judgement without all of the facts, before the investigation has completed and makes accusations based on only the flimsiest "evidence" from anonymous sources and bloggers who don't bother to fact-check or vet their posts.

You're pathetic.
Would you say the same about the people pre-judging Rove? Or is hypocrisy only a 1 way street?

Yes, I would. I've personally discussed the Plame case without laying blame on anyone in particular. I've even noted that I'm waiting on the outcome of the grand jury case before making any judgement whatsoever.

And yet in this case, TLC is jumping up and down and going batsh!t over the slightest possibility that there's some wrongdoing on Air America's part. I know you partisan types (and that includes the bloggers and the lame anonymous sources who are feeding this story) are overly eager to get some lib group like AA or Moveon.

But hey let's not let the fact that there is no evidence of wrongdoing or impropriety get in the way of the lynch mob.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey

They've admitted no wrong doing in their reply. It's all in your head, as usual. You know TLC, I do believe you've become what you hate the most: A total looper who rushes to judgement without all of the facts, before the investigation has completed and makes accusations based on only the flimsiest "evidence" from anonymous sources and bloggers who don't bother to fact-check or vet their posts.

You're pathetic.
Would you say the same about the people pre-judging Rove? Or is hypocrisy only a 1 way street?

Yes, I would. I've personally discussed the Plame case without laying blame on anyone in particular. I've even noted that I'm waiting on the outcome of the grand jury case before making any judgement whatsoever.

Yeah, you're a regular non-judgemental saint. From the Rove thread:

--------

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: conjur
Well, imo, enough evidence surrounds Rove's unethical behavior to be worthy of being fired or, at the least, submitting his resignation.
While I tend to agree, you're forgetting the administration's famous "loyalty" to each other. I doubt anything will happen unless formal charges are leveled against Rove.

------

And yet in this case, TLC is jumping up and down and going batsh!t over the slightest possibility that there's some wrongdoing on Air America's part. I know you partisan types (and that includes the bloggers and the lame anonymous sources who are feeding this story) are overly eager to get some lib group like AA or Moveon.
We already know there was wrong-doing, unless you want to try to make some odd excuse for the transfer of government funds to a partisan radio station. Is it Air America's fault? Only if you want to play the separation game. Ultimately though, that loan went to Air America's former corporate entity. Even after being taken over (which comes off as a shady way to shed debts), Air America was aware of this "transaction" and apparently failed to follow through with their promise to make good on it. That makes them still at fault here.

But hey let's not let the fact that there is no evidence of wrongdoing or impropriety get in the way of the lynch mob.
As I've already stated, I haven't asked for Franken or anyone in Air America to be frogmarched or shot, like some have requested for Rove. So who's the real lynch mob?
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
As I've already stated, I haven't asked for Franken or anyone in Air America to be frogmarched or shot, like some have requested for Rove. So who's the real lynch mob?
Obviously, it's all those protesting marching frogs. :laugh:

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

If you'd have done enough research, or would have provided the link to where you got your information from, you might have noted this as well:

http://www.professorbainbridge.com/2004/06/air_america_the.html

Yet, on facts like this, the creditors do have a couple of cards to play. They can attack the transaction as a fraudulent transfer.

Basically, a Fraudulent Transfer (a/k/a "Fraudulent Conveyance") is a transfer which a debtor makes for the purpose of defeating a creditor's collection efforts against the debtor. This typically happens when, say, a debtor attempts to "sell" everything to his wife, cousin or business partner for $5 to keep his stuff out of the hands of his creditors. If the court figures out that the transaction is a sham to defeat the creditor, the court will set aside the transaction and make the person holding the assets give them to the creditor.

As Thomas notes, this transaction smacks of an effort to hinder Air America's creditors, which is decidedly not a good thing. Since it appears likely, based on the WSJ article, moreover, that the selling entities were de facto insolvent at the time of the transfer, the probability that a court would find a fraudulent transfer goes up significantly. The sellers will have to show that the selling entities received fair value and that the transaction had economic substance above and beyond merely stiffing their creditors.

Another option for the creditors would be to seek to pierce the corporate veil of the selling entities to hold their owners liable. Since the purchasing entity was owned by most of the same investors as the selling entities (another factor that will weigh in favor of finding a fraudulent transfer, by the way), the creditors may be able to recover from the individual investors. As I explain in Chapter 4 of my book Corporation Law and Economics, the precise phrasing of the test for veil piercing varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Under a common phrasing, the creditors would have to show that:

(1) the corporation was the controlling shareholder's alter ego; and (2) adherence to the limited liability rule would "sanction a fraud or promote injustice." Under this standard, the prospect of an unsatisfied claim is not enough to meet the latter prong of the test. After all, why would a plaintiff invoke the doctrine if the corporation had enough assets to satisfy the claim? If an unsatisfied claim sufficed, the veil would be pierced in every case. ... Instead, there must be some element of unjust enrichment.
If they could show that the investors allowed the selling entities to continue borrowing even while the investors were planning the reorganization, for example, the requisite fraud or injustice could be found.
Make excuses and apologies for Air America's scam all you want. This sheds even more light on the extent of what scammers they are, and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.

So, let me see if I get this latest claim of yours straight....Air America's new owners sole purpose was to defraud the creditors of Progress Media? Is that your claim?

If you look at the article that you provided, it states (and I bolded it for your ease of finding) that IF the judge or trustee that is assigned to oversee the sale believes that is the intent, than they will make them give the assets to the debtors. Did that happen? I'm just wondering cause I don't see any details on that anywhere.

I'll be waiting for you to dig long enough to find another right wing blogger stating anonymous sources giving details of that happening too. Please don't be offended if I don't hold my breath.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey

They've admitted no wrong doing in their reply. It's all in your head, as usual. You know TLC, I do believe you've become what you hate the most: A total looper who rushes to judgement without all of the facts, before the investigation has completed and makes accusations based on only the flimsiest "evidence" from anonymous sources and bloggers who don't bother to fact-check or vet their posts.

You're pathetic.
Would you say the same about the people pre-judging Rove? Or is hypocrisy only a 1 way street?

Yes, I would. I've personally discussed the Plame case without laying blame on anyone in particular. I've even noted that I'm waiting on the outcome of the grand jury case before making any judgement whatsoever.

Yeah, you're a regular non-judgemental saint. From the Rove thread:

--------

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: conjur
Well, imo, enough evidence surrounds Rove's unethical behavior to be worthy of being fired or, at the least, submitting his resignation.
While I tend to agree, you're forgetting the administration's famous "loyalty" to each other. I doubt anything will happen unless formal charges are leveled against Rove.

Notice the "While I tend to agree..." it by no means implies that I know for sure or that I'm making any final judgements. The rest of my comments go to the White House's infamous shifting statements on the matter. You know, first that anyone *involved* in the leak would be fired which has since been adjusted to anyone *prosecuted.*

Also notice the "...unless formal charges are leveled against Rove." Not exactly a judgement there either.

Unless of course you have a reading comprehension problem.

And yet in this case, TLC is jumping up and down and going batsh!t over the slightest possibility that there's some wrongdoing on Air America's part. I know you partisan types (and that includes the bloggers and the lame anonymous sources who are feeding this story) are overly eager to get some lib group like AA or Moveon.
We already know there was wrong-doing, unless you want to try to make some odd excuse for the transfer of government funds to a partisan radio station. Is it Air America's fault? Only if you want to play the separation game. Ultimately though, that loan went to Air America's former corporate entity. Even after being taken over (which comes off as a shady way to shed debts), Air America was aware of this "transaction" and apparently failed to follow through with their promise to make good on it. That makes them still at fault here.

But hey let's not let the fact that there is no evidence of wrongdoing or impropriety get in the way of the lynch mob.
As I've already stated, I haven't asked for Franken or anyone in Air America to be frogmarched or shot, like some have requested for Rove. So who's the real lynch mob?

You are! You've basically come to a conclusion in a complete vacuum of facts. All of your sources are suspect and biased. All of their sources are anonymous. What are they hiding from? It's not exactly national security that they're commenting on here. Why the anonominity?

Even your articles are riddled with questions. For example, the site you reference here:

http://www.professorbainbridge.com

"As Thomas notes, this transaction smacks of an effort to hinder Air America's creditors..."

There are plenty of "smacks of" and "if this happened" and so on. Nobody has any real facts on what happened during the transaction between Air America's former parent company and the new one.

Get some facts and then let us all know how it works out...

 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

If you'd have done enough research, or would have provided the link to where you got your information from, you might have noted this as well:

http://www.professorbainbridge.com/2004/06/air_america_the.html

Yet, on facts like this, the creditors do have a couple of cards to play. They can attack the transaction as a fraudulent transfer.

Basically, a Fraudulent Transfer (a/k/a "Fraudulent Conveyance") is a transfer which a debtor makes for the purpose of defeating a creditor's collection efforts against the debtor. This typically happens when, say, a debtor attempts to "sell" everything to his wife, cousin or business partner for $5 to keep his stuff out of the hands of his creditors. If the court figures out that the transaction is a sham to defeat the creditor, the court will set aside the transaction and make the person holding the assets give them to the creditor.

As Thomas notes, this transaction smacks of an effort to hinder Air America's creditors, which is decidedly not a good thing. Since it appears likely, based on the WSJ article, moreover, that the selling entities were de facto insolvent at the time of the transfer, the probability that a court would find a fraudulent transfer goes up significantly. The sellers will have to show that the selling entities received fair value and that the transaction had economic substance above and beyond merely stiffing their creditors.

Another option for the creditors would be to seek to pierce the corporate veil of the selling entities to hold their owners liable. Since the purchasing entity was owned by most of the same investors as the selling entities (another factor that will weigh in favor of finding a fraudulent transfer, by the way), the creditors may be able to recover from the individual investors. As I explain in Chapter 4 of my book Corporation Law and Economics, the precise phrasing of the test for veil piercing varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Under a common phrasing, the creditors would have to show that:

(1) the corporation was the controlling shareholder's alter ego; and (2) adherence to the limited liability rule would "sanction a fraud or promote injustice." Under this standard, the prospect of an unsatisfied claim is not enough to meet the latter prong of the test. After all, why would a plaintiff invoke the doctrine if the corporation had enough assets to satisfy the claim? If an unsatisfied claim sufficed, the veil would be pierced in every case. ... Instead, there must be some element of unjust enrichment.
If they could show that the investors allowed the selling entities to continue borrowing even while the investors were planning the reorganization, for example, the requisite fraud or injustice could be found.
Make excuses and apologies for Air America's scam all you want. This sheds even more light on the extent of what scammers they are, and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.

So, let me see if I get this latest claim of yours straight....Air America's new owners sole purpose was to defraud the creditors of Progress Media? Is that your claim?

If you look at the article that you provided, it states (and I bolded it for your ease of finding) that IF the judge or trustee that is assigned to oversee the sale believes that is the intent, than they will make them give the assets to the debtors. Did that happen? I'm just wondering cause I don't see any details on that anywhere.

I'll be waiting for you to dig long enough to find another right wing blogger stating anonymous sources giving details of that happening too. Please don't be offended if I don't hold my breath.
New owners? You act as if if an entire new group of people came along. They didn't. Sheldon Drobny was a co-founder of Air America. He was an owner in Progess Media. Now he is an owner in Piquant LLC. Most of the same people involved in Progess Media are now Piquant LLC, except for Sorensen and Cohen. Regardless of whether a judge slapped them around or not, their little reorg appears to be a shady deal an was pulled off to shaft their creditors. Maybe the DOI in NY will shine some light on that little Icky Shuffle and some questions will start being asked?

And where are the people that, when the law doesn't work to their heart's desire, start riding the "morals and ethics" high-horse instead? They've suddenly dismounted on this topic. How inexplicably odd.

Do you think it would be the "right thing" to do for Piquant LLC to pay that money back? Or are you simply going to proclaim that, under the law, they have no such responsibility and leave it at that?
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

So, let me see if I get this latest claim of yours straight....Air America's new owners sole purpose was to defraud the creditors of Progress Media? Is that your claim?

If you look at the article that you provided, it states (and I bolded it for your ease of finding) that IF the judge or trustee that is assigned to oversee the sale believes that is the intent, than they will make them give the assets to the debtors. Did that happen? I'm just wondering cause I don't see any details on that anywhere.

I'll be waiting for you to dig long enough to find another right wing blogger stating anonymous sources giving details of that happening too. Please don't be offended if I don't hold my breath.

New owners? You act as if if an entire new group of people came along. They didn't. Sheldon Drobny was a co-founder of Air America. He was an owner in Progess Media. Now he is an owner in Piquant LLC. Most of the same people involved in Progess Media are now Piquant LLC, except for Sorensen and Cohen. Regardless of whether a judge slapped them around or not, their little reorg appears to be a shady deal an was pulled off to shaft their creditors. Maybe the DOI in NY will shine some light on that little Icky Shuffle and some questions will start being asked?

And where are the people that, when the law doesn't work to their heart's desire, start riding the "morals and ethics" high-horse instead? They've suddenly dismounted on this topic. How inexplicably odd.

Do you think it would be the "right thing" to do for Piquant LLC to pay that money back? Or are you simply going to proclaim that, under the law, they have no such responsibility and leave it at that?

Does your ignorance for facts know no boundries? You continue to make statements without any basis. Drobny was not a co-founder of Air America. Period. End of story. He was a founder, along with his wife Anita, in AnShell Media. It was started with the intent of forming a liberal alternative to conservative talk radio. They cultivated the ground and planted the seed. Progress Media harvested the crop (badly I might add) by actually following through with the initial intentions and got more investors, hired the talent and got the whole thing up and running. Hell, the name Air America didn't even exist at the time of the sale!

As you can see and will flatly deny, they founded a company and SOLD it to someone else. Sold, in this case, means that they had no other say or stake in the operation of the company.

Then, they buy back the company after the Progress Media folks HAD ALREADY BEEN TERMINATED with another investor (Rob Glaser from Real Networks) who had previously NOTHING TO DO WITH PROGRESS MEDIA!! Can you show any proof, maybe corporate reports that lists the board of Progress Media and are now members of Piquant, LLC? Bet you can't!

And to answer your last question which is a blatantly apparent trap to see if I will answer this one differently than I have when it was posed by a company on the right in the same situation......

They have absolutely no obligation to pay back the money legally. Ethically and morally, they should pay it back.


Here is a time line from a very biased, albeit right wing, site:

Link to Right wing site that tries to make the AAR financial shortcomings into a sign from God that there should be no left wing radio counterpart!

Feb. 2003 - Sheldon and Anita Drobny Announce launch of AnShell Media to create a liberal talk radio network.

Dec. 2003 - Sheldon and Anita Drobny Sell AnShell Media To Evan Cohen and Mark Walsh; company renamed Progress Media; network to be called "Central Air" Radio Network, Evan Cohen named as Chairman, Mark Walsh named CEO.

Jan. 2004 - Progress Media signs Al Franken and Robert F. Kennedy to host shows, additional signings follow including Janeane Garafolo, Chuck D., Randi Rhodes and Lizz Winstead.

Mar. 31, 2004 - Air America Launches with stations in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Bernadino, and Portland, with a staff of about 100 employees

Apr. 14, 2004 - Air America Stop Broadcasting in Chicago over Billing Dispute

Apr. 14, 2004 - Air America Stop Broadcasting in Los Angeles over Billing Dispute

Apr. 20, 2004 - Air America Temporarily Resumes Broadcasting in Chicago After Billing Dispute and Getting a 10 day Reprieve; Los Angeles Remains Off-the-air.

Apr. 26, 2004 - VP, Operations and Programming David Logan Terminated

Apr. 26, 2004 - Co-founder & CEO Mark Walsh Terminated

Apr. 30, 2004 - Air America Stops Broadcasting in Chicago

May 5, 2004 - Air America Fails to Meet Payroll for All Employees

May 6, 2004 - Chairman Evan Cohen Terminated

May 6, 2004 - Vice Chairman Rex Sorensen Terminated

May 12, 2004 - Entire Los Angeles Salesforce and Staff Terminated Without Pay (11 people)

May 12, 2004 - Entire Chicago Salesforce and Staff Terminated Without Pay (7 people)

May 12, 2004 - Entire San Francisco Salesforce and Staff Terminated Without Pay (3 people)

May 14, 2004 - Investor Doug Kreeger Named Interim-CEO

May 20, 2004 - Sheldon and Anita Drobny Announce Interest to Acquire Progressive Media in bid to Save Air America Radio

May 21, 2004 - Rob Glaser of Real Networks partner with Sheldon and Anita Drobny to committ to invest in Air America Radio and help praise $8 million to pay unpaid debts (payroll to staff in Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco) and fund ongoing operations.

 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Does your ignorance for facts know no boundries? You continue to make statements without any basis. Drobny was not a co-founder of Air America. Period. End of story. He was a founder, along with his wife Anita, in AnShell Media.
Ignorance, eh? Well you better inform Drobny himself that he's not a co-counder:

http://www.opednews.com/drobny_081604_Beat_the_press.htm

I am writing this piece with the full knowledge that it will never be published in any major newspaper or broadcast outlet. As the co-founder of Air America Radio, I am hopeful that our network will pick this up and pass the word around.
Way to talk out of your @ss.

Strike one.

It was started with the intent of forming a liberal alternative to conservative talk radio. They cultivated the ground and planted the seed. Progress Media harvested the crop (badly I might add) by actually following through with the initial intentions and got more investors, hired the talent and got the whole thing up and running. Hell, the name Air America didn't even exist at the time of the sale!
Well at least you got that part right.

As you can see and will flatly deny, they founded a company and SOLD it to someone else. Sold, in this case, means that they had no other say or stake in the operation of the company.
Drobny was part owner in Progess Media. They didn't sell the AnSHell entirely. Get your facts straight.

http://wwww.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=12815

In 2003 Drobny and his wife sold ?much? (but not all) of their ownership of AnShell to a group formed by New York investor Evan Cohen, an entrepreneur ?who at the time was developing a pan-Asian radio network,? and his classmate at Beloit College in Wisconsin David Goodfriend, a former Clinton White House staffer.

Strike two.

Then, they buy back the company after the Progress Media folks HAD ALREADY BEEN TERMINATED with another investor (Rob Glaser from Real Networks) who had previously NOTHING TO DO WITH PROGRESS MEDIA!! Can you show any proof, maybe corporate reports that lists the board of Progress Media and are now members of Piquant, LLC? Bet you can't!
Glaser had already been an investor in Air America previously. He threw more cash at them after Progess Media changed their name to Piquant LLC and they appointed Glaser Chairman.

http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=P7407_0_6_0_C

The liberal talk show network, heard on 40 stations, also announced it received $13 million in new investments. A spokeswoman said Glaser has been an investor in AAR and is one of the lead investors in this latest round of funding.

http://www.makethemaccountable.com/articles/Radio_Daze.htm

Air America's left-leaning orientation gave the fledging network a public profile and helped lure donors, including RealNetworks Inc.'s Chief Executive Rob Glaser and New York's Durst family of real-estate developers. It also helped attract big-name talent, including comedian Al Franken. Amid the hype, however, investors and executives overlooked Air America's haphazard organization, opaque finances and flawed business strategy.

Strike three. You're out. Please step away from the batter's box.

Maybe you should check your "facts" more closely next time, eh?

And to answer your last question which is a blatantly apparent trap to see if I will answer this one differently than I have when it was posed by a company on the right in the same situation......

They have absolutely no obligation to pay back the money legally. Ethically and morally, they should pay it back.
Thank you.
 
I'm sure if CAD were here he'd chastize a lot of members in here while lecturing them about not believing ALLEGATIONS until they are proven.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Does your ignorance for facts know no boundries? You continue to make statements without any basis. Drobny was not a co-founder of Air America. Period. End of story. He was a founder, along with his wife Anita, in AnShell Media.
Ignorance, eh? Well you better inform Drobny himself that he's not a co-counder:

http://www.opednews.com/drobny_081604_Beat_the_press.htm

I am writing this piece with the full knowledge that it will never be published in any major newspaper or broadcast outlet. As the co-founder of Air America Radio, I am hopeful that our network will pick this up and pass the word around.
Way to talk out of your @ss.

Strike one.

It was started with the intent of forming a liberal alternative to conservative talk radio. They cultivated the ground and planted the seed. Progress Media harvested the crop (badly I might add) by actually following through with the initial intentions and got more investors, hired the talent and got the whole thing up and running. Hell, the name Air America didn't even exist at the time of the sale!
Well at least you got that part right.

As you can see and will flatly deny, they founded a company and SOLD it to someone else. Sold, in this case, means that they had no other say or stake in the operation of the company.
Drobny was part owner in Progess Media. They didn't sell the AnSHell entirely. Get your facts straight.

http://wwww.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=12815

In 2003 Drobny and his wife sold ?much? (but not all) of their ownership of AnShell to a group formed by New York investor Evan Cohen, an entrepreneur ?who at the time was developing a pan-Asian radio network,? and his classmate at Beloit College in Wisconsin David Goodfriend, a former Clinton White House staffer.

Strike two.

Then, they buy back the company after the Progress Media folks HAD ALREADY BEEN TERMINATED with another investor (Rob Glaser from Real Networks) who had previously NOTHING TO DO WITH PROGRESS MEDIA!! Can you show any proof, maybe corporate reports that lists the board of Progress Media and are now members of Piquant, LLC? Bet you can't!
Glaser had already been an investor in Air America previously. He threw more cash at them after Progess Media changed their name to Piquant LLC and they appointed Glaser Chairman.

http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=P7407_0_6_0_C

The liberal talk show network, heard on 40 stations, also announced it received $13 million in new investments. A spokeswoman said Glaser has been an investor in AAR and is one of the lead investors in this latest round of funding.

http://www.makethemaccountable.com/articles/Radio_Daze.htm

Air America's left-leaning orientation gave the fledging network a public profile and helped lure donors, including RealNetworks Inc.'s Chief Executive Rob Glaser and New York's Durst family of real-estate developers. It also helped attract big-name talent, including comedian Al Franken. Amid the hype, however, investors and executives overlooked Air America's haphazard organization, opaque finances and flawed business strategy.

Strike three. You're out. Please step away from the batter's box.

Maybe you should check your "facts" more closely next time, eh?

And to answer your last question which is a blatantly apparent trap to see if I will answer this one differently than I have when it was posed by a company on the right in the same situation......

They have absolutely no obligation to pay back the money legally. Ethically and morally, they should pay it back.
Thank you.

Concerning "strike one"....could it be that he was just claiming that because that is what came of the idea/vision that he had? After all, he sold the company in 2003 and HERE in 2004....the radio station was still going by the "birth name" of Central Air Network.

Progress Media expects to go on the air in March with Central Air network on five AM stations in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and Boston, just as the 2004 presidential race starts to get down and dirty. Central Air will provide around-the-clock talk shows with a liberal political bent. It will be the first of its kind, as no politically partisan network, conservative or liberal, has even been launched.

It couldn't be that he was simplifying the whole deal for people like...oh, I don't know...YOU...to understand?

Concerning strike two...do you think that it just might be possible that the portion that they didn't sell to Cohen, was sold to someone else? I think that it should be easy for you to find documentation showing that they still were part owners. They should be listed on corporate statements if they own some of the company.

Concerning strike three....That I will concede was an error on my part. However....being an investor does not give you a full decision maker in the company. Not unless your investment was rather substantial. Again...that should be easy for you to prove, right?
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Does your ignorance for facts know no boundries? You continue to make statements without any basis. Drobny was not a co-founder of Air America. Period. End of story. He was a founder, along with his wife Anita, in AnShell Media.
Ignorance, eh? Well you better inform Drobny himself that he's not a co-counder:

http://www.opednews.com/drobny_081604_Beat_the_press.htm

I am writing this piece with the full knowledge that it will never be published in any major newspaper or broadcast outlet. As the co-founder of Air America Radio, I am hopeful that our network will pick this up and pass the word around.
Way to talk out of your @ss.

Strike one.

It was started with the intent of forming a liberal alternative to conservative talk radio. They cultivated the ground and planted the seed. Progress Media harvested the crop (badly I might add) by actually following through with the initial intentions and got more investors, hired the talent and got the whole thing up and running. Hell, the name Air America didn't even exist at the time of the sale!
Well at least you got that part right.

As you can see and will flatly deny, they founded a company and SOLD it to someone else. Sold, in this case, means that they had no other say or stake in the operation of the company.
Drobny was part owner in Progess Media. They didn't sell the AnSHell entirely. Get your facts straight.

http://wwww.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=12815

In 2003 Drobny and his wife sold ?much? (but not all) of their ownership of AnShell to a group formed by New York investor Evan Cohen, an entrepreneur ?who at the time was developing a pan-Asian radio network,? and his classmate at Beloit College in Wisconsin David Goodfriend, a former Clinton White House staffer.

Strike two.

Then, they buy back the company after the Progress Media folks HAD ALREADY BEEN TERMINATED with another investor (Rob Glaser from Real Networks) who had previously NOTHING TO DO WITH PROGRESS MEDIA!! Can you show any proof, maybe corporate reports that lists the board of Progress Media and are now members of Piquant, LLC? Bet you can't!
Glaser had already been an investor in Air America previously. He threw more cash at them after Progess Media changed their name to Piquant LLC and they appointed Glaser Chairman.

http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=P7407_0_6_0_C

The liberal talk show network, heard on 40 stations, also announced it received $13 million in new investments. A spokeswoman said Glaser has been an investor in AAR and is one of the lead investors in this latest round of funding.

http://www.makethemaccountable.com/articles/Radio_Daze.htm

Air America's left-leaning orientation gave the fledging network a public profile and helped lure donors, including RealNetworks Inc.'s Chief Executive Rob Glaser and New York's Durst family of real-estate developers. It also helped attract big-name talent, including comedian Al Franken. Amid the hype, however, investors and executives overlooked Air America's haphazard organization, opaque finances and flawed business strategy.

Strike three. You're out. Please step away from the batter's box.

Maybe you should check your "facts" more closely next time, eh?

And to answer your last question which is a blatantly apparent trap to see if I will answer this one differently than I have when it was posed by a company on the right in the same situation......

They have absolutely no obligation to pay back the money legally. Ethically and morally, they should pay it back.
Thank you.

Concerning "strike one"....could it be that he was just claiming that because that is what came of the idea/vision that he had? After all, he sold the company in 2003 and HERE in 2004....the radio station was still going by the "birth name" of Central Air Network.
I believe he refers to himself as a "co-founder" because he considers his wife the other co-founder.

Progress Media expects to go on the air in March with Central Air network on five AM stations in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and Boston, just as the 2004 presidential race starts to get down and dirty. Central Air will provide around-the-clock talk shows with a liberal political bent. It will be the first of its kind, as no politically partisan network, conservative or liberal, has even been launched.

It couldn't be that he was simplifying the whole deal for people like...oh, I don't know...YOU...to understand?
Or possibly his wife had just as much input to the idea so he wanted to give her the credit as well? Maybe it's something I understand that you seem to have missed? Possibly the simplicity of that is too much for you to comprehend? 😉

Concerning strike two...do you think that it just might be possible that the portion that they didn't sell to Cohen, was sold to someone else? I think that it should be easy for you to find documentation showing that they still were part owners. They should be listed on corporate statements if they own some of the company.
I think I've provided enough links thus far to substantiate my case. Now it's time for you to produce something to substantiate yours. Feel free to produce those corporate statements, since you seem to think they'll be available.

Concerning strike three....That I will concede was an error on my part. However....being an investor does not give you a full decision maker in the company. Not unless your investment was rather substantial. Again...that should be easy for you to prove, right?
I never claimed that. Besides, do you really think many of the original investors were just begging to take on the liabilities of Progress Media?
 
TastesLikeChicken, in reading your posts in this thread and in the now-locked Rove thread I'm reminded of this statement by you...
Do you not understand about people making all this idiotic commentary before the facts are in, and making comments on the level of 12 year olds?


 
Originally posted by: Gaard
TastesLikeChicken, in reading your posts in this thread and in the now-locked Rove thread I'm reminded of this statement by you...
Do you not understand about people making all this idiotic commentary before the facts are in, and making comments on the level of 12 year olds?
I will say this one more time. I am not making comments such as 'The guys from Air America should be frogmarched, tried, and then shot in the head.' That kind of BS commentary is at the level of a 12 year old. I'm not making similar sorts of wishful, moronic commentary in this thread.

And has anyone proven me wrong yet about Air America's involvement in this?

No.

So feel as if you're pointing out hypocrisy if it makes you feel better but there's a vast difference between what I've said in this thread and what others stated in the Rove thread.

 
Originally posted by: outriding
Rove has a history of doing those types of things.
Air America does not.
You see the difference?

I don't think it should matter whether one has a pattern of criminal behavior or just decides to commit a crime later in life.

What moonbeam said: Let the truth be known and justice be done.

that said, just because Cohen may have bilked someone in the interests of AirAmerica, that doesn't extend the dirty laundry into their offices. If you watched "left of the dial" or read the book, you'd realize that the people at the office weren't exactly privy to Cohen's dealings, they were more alarmed by the fact that he was delivering what he'd promised, when he promised.

and please, if we're going to try and hold company's accountable for their employee's actions, then why don't we also get to the bottom of who let Guckert/Gannon into the White House for 400 consecutive days, running around the security background.
or one of the other dozen improprieties committed by members of this administration?
 
Looks like it's even worse than originally stated. It's now being claimed that Cohen and Air America received @ $800,000 from Gloria Wise. Air America has agreed to pay all of the money back over 2 years time. Does that mean they haven't paid any of it back yet? What about interest on this money? Shouldn't Air America, who so often demands tranparency from others, be a bit more tranparent themselves here?

Some of the MSM are finally starting to jump on this story as well. The NY Times, however, is still mum on the issue.

http://www.nysun.com/article/17846

Funds of a Bronx Youth Group Allegedly Lent to Air America

BY DAVID LOMBINO - Special to the Sun
August 1, 2005

A D V E R T I S E M E N T


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The top executive at a Bronx youth organization said yesterday that the former director of Air America Radio received more than $800,000 in loans for himself and the radio network from the nonprofit organization while serving as its development director.

Some of the transfers, according to the president of the Bronx-based Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club organization's executive committee, Jeannette Graves, occurred when the development director, Evan Montvel Cohen, who for a time served simultaneously as the liberal radio network's director, appealed to the organization for two loans worth $35,000. Another member of the executive committee said Mr. Cohen told the executive director of the organization that he needed the money to pay for chemotherapy for himself and other medical expenses for his ill father.

Ms. Graves said that Mr. Cohen also received another $213,000 loan for Air America in a check that was approved without her authorization and stamped with an imprint of her signature, and that the club wired more than $400,000 to him without her knowledge.

Mr. Cohen, who no longer is employed by either Air America or Gloria Wise, and who has not been charged with a crime, could not be reached for comment.

Air America Radio, launched with some fanfare on March 31, 2004, is carried on dozens of stations. It probably is best known for its program host Al Franken, the liberal comedian, writer, and political gadfly.

Some of the allegations about Mr. Cohen and Air America have appeared in published reports in the past several weeks, including articles in the New York Post, the Daily News, and the Washington Times, as well as postings on Michelle Malkin's blog and the Radio Equalizer, but Ms. Graves provided The New York Sun with much more extensive details of the allegations.

In June, the city's Department of Investigation announced the suspension of city grants and contracts with Gloria Wise, worth millions of dollars, because of allegations, among others, that its officials had approved "significant inappropriate transactions and falsified documents that were submitted to various city agencies."

The current parent corporation of Air America is Piquant LLC, with offices on Park Avenue. On May 24, 2004, Piquant acquired Air America from Progress Media. Piquant said in a statement last week that Progress was the entity to which the Gloria Wise loans went, and that it has been defunct since May 2004. Piquant said Mr. Cohen has not had any affiliation with the radio network since that point.

"The current owners of Air America Radio have no obligation to Progress Media's business activities," the statement read. "We are very disturbed that Air America Radio's good name could be associated with a reduction in services for young people, which is why we agreed months ago to fully compensate the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club as a result of this transaction."

Ms. Graves said Air America has agreed in writing to pay back the full amount of more than $800,000 in installments over the next two years. It is unclear whether the funds allegedly obtained from Gloria Wise were ultimately received or spent by Air America.

Ms. Graves said Gloria Wise is fully cooperating with the Department of Investigation. She said that thanks to contracts and funds secured from other entities, it is "business as usual" for all of the organization's social programs, which serve 20,000 children, elderly residents, and people with disabilities in the Co-op City section of the Bronx.

In 2003, Gloria Wise reported receiving more than $3.7 million in government grants and more than half a million dollars in government contracts. It reported spending a total of more than $4.5 million that year.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Investigations, Emily Gest, said the organization does not comment on continuing investigations.

Mr. Cohen, 39, was co-founder of Progress Media Inc. He left Air America in May 2004 - at which time he remained in the employ of the Boys & Girls Club. In 2003, he was paid more than $74,000 as Gloria Wise's development director, according to the organization's filings with the Internal Revenue Service.

In telephone interviews yesterday, several members of the executive committee of Gloria Wise remembered the shock they felt learning last month about the scandal.

One member of the executive committee, Anna Capell, 80, said she feared answering the phone or attending a scheduled meeting of the committee as a result of anxiety that she would be investigated or sued.

"I'm still rocking from the experience," Ms. Capell said.

Initially, members of the executive committee viewed Mr. Cohen fondly because he had thrown a tremendously successful fund-raising affair for Gloria Wise in Manhattan last year. They recalled being impressed by the wealthy clientele and the large sums of money he raised, according to Ms. Graves.

Because of that confidence in Mr. Cohen, she said, the executive committee approved two loans to Air America, one for $80,000 and another for $87,000.

Ms. Capell said she had met Mr. Cohen several times.

"He was very suave, a very wonderful young man. He left a very favorable impression," she said in a telephone interview.

After the initial two loans, Ms. Graves said that just before the launch of Air America her organization lent the network another $213,000, authorized with a rubber stamp of her signature on a document she said she never saw. More recently, Ms. Graves said, Gloria Wise made a wire transfer of at least $400,000 to Air America without her knowledge.

In addition, according to Ms. Graves, the longtime executive director of Gloria Wise, Charles Rosen, later told the board he had lent an additional $35,000 of the organization's funds to Mr. Cohen for medical expenses. According to Ms. Capell, the board member, Mr. Cohen told Mr. Rosen he needed $25,000 to pay for chemotherapy. Mr. Cohen told associates that he recovered from brain cancer, according to Ms. Capell. Later, Mr. Cohen asked for $10,000 - which he was lent - be cause his father, a businessman in Asia, was "gravely ill," Ms. Capell said.

Ms. Graves said that she knew of the personal loans to Mr. Cohen, but that she thought they were taken from Mr. Rosen's personal discretionary budget, "not the agency's."

Mr. Rosen could not be reached for comment.

Gloria Wise received personal checks in various amounts from Mr. Cohen to pay back some of the loans, but Ms. Graves said the checks did not clear. The executive committee dismissed him when members learned of some of his actions, according to another member of the executive committee, John Rose.

While she spoke critically of Mr. Cohen, Ms. Graves said she thought Mr. Rosen performed exceptionally well as the organization's executive director. According to Ms. Graves, Mr. Rosen, 62, helped the organization's annual budget grow from $175,000 into the millions. He recently resigned.

According to IRS filings Mr. Rosen earned nearly $148,000 in 2003 from the Gloria Wise organization for working approximately 23 hours a week as executive director. Previously, Mr. Rosen worked as a typographer for the New York Post and was active in union politics, leading a rent strike in Co-op City in the early 1970s.
 
Kudos to Air America for stepping up and showing the integrity to accept responsibility for repaying this money. It's a great example of the kind of accountability the Bush administration consistently shuns.

:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Kudos to Air America for stepping up and showing the integrity to accept responsibility for repaying this money. It's a great example of the kind of accountability the Bush administration consistently shuns.

:thumbsup:
LOL. They pretty much remind me of the Bush admin in that they have to get caught red-handed and be called on the floor before making a stuttering admission and doing the right thing. And supposedly they were already doing the right thing months ago and haven't done it yet, but now they're taking accountability.

 
Maloney reports on how some of the lefties have gone bonkers and began their spewing and denial routine:

http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2005...berals-not-happy-with-air-america.html

Liberals Not Happy With Air America Scandal Reporting

Backlash Begins

A "Fake Story", What Took Lefties So Long?


If you've at all followed previous sticky liberal flaps, the routine should by now be clear:

First, it's silence, then quiet consultation, followed by a "collective" response, repeated verbatim across the Internet and mainstream media.

On Air America's taxpayer funding diversion scandal, it was inevitable liberals would snap out of their stunned silence and fight back.

Don't forget, Air America has been the realization of an ages-old lefty dream, to take on Rush Limbaugh and conservative talk radio. They're not going to let $480,000 in taxpayer funds meant for a community center, going instead to the network, get in the way.

The only question was how long it would take.

Answer: about four days. That must have been some pow-wow. How do we spin a way out of this mammoth mess?

When it came to how they would respond, there was never any question: with all of the usual tactics, name calling, trickery and nastiness.

What they're saying this weekend reveals much about the state of "progressive" politics.

Step one is to kill the messenger, that happens to be me this time.

It's a "fake story", Brian Maloney is "sweaty", "baloney", plus all of the usual radical-right labeling highlight (lowlight?) what we've so far seen. I'm noticing the same attack pattern across sites, with cut-and-pasted copy.

Emanating first from the Daily Kos, the nation's largest liberal blog site, it then spreads to smaller sites. I'm accused outright of making up a story:

It's fun to check in with Memeorandum now and then to see what the righties are linking to. Yesterday they were swarming like flies to a carcass to a story that appears to be phony.

I say "appears"; maybe it isn't. It's hard to tell, for reasons that I hope become apparent as you read this post. The point of this post is not to prove or disprove certain allegations, but to illustrate how, shall we say, uncritical reading and writing can create a lot of smoke without there necessarily being a fire.

The "appears" and "maybe" elements are just a way of hedging on Kos writer Maha's part. From here, it devolves into a lengthy "examination" of how conservatives have sloppily gone bonkers over a single report in a Bronx community newspaper.

I just can't figure out Maha's (Barbara O'Brien) logic, since the quote from Air America's second statement is included, indicating that the company agreed "months ago" to repay the money.

What's "made up" about that? Air America knows it has a problem, but liberals can't accept reality.

More devastating for the left's case is this third statement, made by the company to Brit Hume of FOX News:

An Air America spokesman says, "We're committed to paying this money and the terms are being worked out... We are awaiting direction from the investigation into how to proceed."

Hold on a second! Didn't the company agree months ago to repay it? But nothing happened until we brought it to light?

So they're now saying they haven't yet repaid a dime? If we hadn't gotten on their case, would it have ever happened?

Didn't they say they weren't being investigated, just a few days ago? They seem to at least be in contact with New York Department of Investigation (DOI) personnel.

The company's inconsistent statements will be the subject of the Radio Equalizer's next piece, watch for it this weekend.

The left's biggest problem is the company's own actions, where each successive statement makes the previous one look misleading.

How can they honestly say there's nothing going on here, when Air America sure makes it look like that's the case?

Some conservatives are howling this weekend over Maha's initial inability to find the Bronx News story via Google. Is that my fault?

Here's a third link, as this article makes its way around the liberal blogosphere. In each case, the emphasis is on this as "fake news".

Then, things get nastier. At this liberal site, featuring a dead panda, it's name calling and what may be an anti-Irish slur.

Here, it's "baloney and spew" and apparently, I'm supposed to be ashamed of myself for reasons that aren't very clear. Northwest Progressive also gets in the act, but doesn't put too much thought into the matter.

The Politburo Diktat, an exceptionally interesting site, is already all over this, especially Barbara O'Brien's (Mahablog, Maha's diary at Daily Kos, both linked above) Google search troubles.

Are other conservatives ready for battle? Liberals aren't going to let Franken & Co. go down the drain without a fight.
I bet these are some of the same lefties who lay the lame accusation out about those who supposedly 'spew the Bush party-line' or the 'Republican talking points.' Seems they are doing the very same thing in collective opposition.
 
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