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AIG Gives a Big F U to the Country

RadiclDreamer

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http://money.cnn.com/news/news...INE001058_FORTUNE5.htm

By Michael R. Crittenden

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- American International Group Inc.'s (AIG) former chairman blamed the executives who replaced him for the company's collapse, refusing to accept any responsibility despite coming under fire from lawmakers on his role in fostering the firm's financial products division.

"I think they got greedy. I think they wrote considerably more business than they should have," Maurice R. Greenberg told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Thursday.

AIG, in a statement released by the company, called Greenberg's claims " implausible."

"The claim that he could have hedged the entire book, or forced counterparties to renegotiate collateral provisions, is not grounded in reality," the company said. "It is also at odds with the fact that under his tenure none of these trades was ever hedged."

Greenberg, who headed AIG for 38 years before departing under pressure in 2005, said the U.S. government's effort to prop up the firm - to the tune of $ 170 billion in government aid - has "failed" and the company should be restructured. AIG would have been better off filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection instead of seeking government help, he said, and the current plan to liquidate the firm and sell off its assets should be abandoned.

Instead, Greenberg continued, AIG's current management should be replaced and the U.S. government should reduce its stake in the firm from 80% to 15%.

"My approach focuses on reconstructing and sustaining AIG so it will in the future be a healthy and vibrant company once again," Greenberg told the committee. "Let me be clear, AIG's business model did not fail. Its management did."

He was even critical of current AIG CEO Edward Liddy, who was put in place at the firm after the government rescue in September. Though he called Liddy a " nice man," he said the longtime Allstate Corp. (ALL) executive does not have the experience managing a global financial services firm.

"He doesn't have the background for the job that needs to be done," Greenberg said.

Lawmakers wanted more from Greenberg, pressing him on his ongoing litigation with AIG and what role he played in fostering AIG's financial products division, the unit that wrote vast amounts of credit-default swap contracts that ended up forcing the government's rescue of the firm.

"Mr. Greenberg's testimony should be taken with a grain of salt," Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said. "At the very least, we must acknowledge these biases."

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., was more direct, asking Greenberg: "Do you take any responsibility at all?"

Greenberg, accompanied by high-profile attorney David Boies, refused to accept any blame.

"No I don't," Greenberg said, referring to subsequent losses at the financial products division and downgrades of AIG's ratings. He said the management that took over when he left the firm "must have paid very little attention" to the growing problems that led to the firm's demise.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, was involved in a heated exchange with Greenberg over the number of AIG shares he still owns and whether he should use the proceeds of any stock sales to help pay back what the company owes the government.

"Would you be willing to give this money back to go back to the taxpayers?" Chaffetz asked.

Greenberg appeared annoyed by the question.

"Why would it go back to the taxpayers?" Greenberg said. "You go out in the street and start collecting from them."

Additionally, Greenberg said billions in government funds should not have been paid to AIG's counterparties; giving other financial firms guarantees would've been a better option.

"These cash payments to (credit-default swap) counterparties should never have occurred," Greenberg said. "It would have been more beneficial for the American taxpayer if the federal government had walled off AIG Financial Products...and provided guarantees to (AIG financial products') counterparties rather than putting up billions of dollars in cash collateral to those counterparties."

The battle of words between Greenberg and his former company did not stop at the end of the hearing. Following the meeting on Capitol Hill both sides released more critical statements.

"He refuses to acknowledge that he approved entry into the credit default swap business, approved more than $40 billion of swaps written on CDO's containing sub-prime loans, and didn't hedge or put up reserves against them," AIG said in a statement.

Lee Wolosky, Greenberg's attorney, responded with his own critical statement forllowing the testimony.

"AIG has launched a taxpayer-funded public relations campaign to try to blame Mr. Greenberg - who retired from AIG in early 2005, when AIG was a very strong company - for massive losses that occurred in 2007 and 2008," Wolosky's statement said.

-By Michael R. Crittenden, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-9273; michael.crittenden@dowjones.com
 
Originally posted by: Xanis
so much fail it hurts

And the sad thing is, its the taxpayers getting hurt. We need to grab the pitch forks and torches and get shit done the old fashioned way
 
Yeah, I bought into the AIG stock when it was super cheap, it climbed a good deal and got out close close to 100% profit... if I would have noticed the falling trend earlier I could have scored pretty big compared to the initial investment. But regardless, I felt it was only rising because it was riding the wave of the other financial institutions climbing at the time, even when everything was just pure bad news.
AIG is a big fail, and I refuse to gamble on them again even if they start another huge positive trend.

However, Citi... come on baby, you're gonna be a true long with this second try.
I really need to hold on to them for a year this time.... just now learning about how taxes work with stocks, and well... need to hold for a year to lower the tax. Hope they don't make big gains and scare me again, I think they'll be a perfect long-term hold.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Yeah, I bought into the AIG stock when it was super cheap, it climbed a good deal and got out close close to 100% profit... if I would have noticed the falling trend earlier I could have scored pretty big compared to the initial investment. But regardless, I felt it was only rising because it was riding the wave of the other financial institutions climbing at the time, even when everything was just pure bad news.
AIG is a big fail, and I refuse to gamble on them again even if they start another huge positive trend.

However, Citi... come on baby, you're gonna be a true long with this second try.
I really need to hold on to them for a year this time.... just now learning about how taxes work with stocks, and well... need to hold for a year to lower the tax. Hope they don't make big gains and scare me again, I think they'll be a perfect long-term hold.

sometimes, it's better to just take the profits and forget about the short term taxes

case in point, i bought in nintendo pink sheets (NTDOY) and made a cool 30-40% profit. I held out and wanted to wait the full year so not to get taxed as short term (it was a month or two away i think), then it tanked (along with the market) and now, although they're nowhere as bad as financials stocks, I'm at a steeper loss (i dont even check now, maybe like 35%?)

so you think about it, a 35% tax off of your gain? or taking a loss?

 
Why doesnt anyone get mad at the lawmakers for bailing them out in the first place. It seems everyone just gets mad at AIG. All this was a predictable consequence of bailing them out. We gave them the money.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Yeah, I bought into the AIG stock when it was super cheap, it climbed a good deal and got out close close to 100% profit... if I would have noticed the falling trend earlier I could have scored pretty big compared to the initial investment. But regardless, I felt it was only rising because it was riding the wave of the other financial institutions climbing at the time, even when everything was just pure bad news.
AIG is a big fail, and I refuse to gamble on them again even if they start another huge positive trend.

However, Citi... come on baby, you're gonna be a true long with this second try.
I really need to hold on to them for a year this time.... just now learning about how taxes work with stocks, and well... need to hold for a year to lower the tax. Hope they don't make big gains and scare me again, I think they'll be a perfect long-term hold.


I wish you luck with CITI. I am starting to think FM-BK was used for the Jan.-Feb. profit.
Nothing I know and no facts to back it up either. Just a nagging question I can't put my finger on. As much I would like to be right. I hope I am wrong and this recession gets turned around.


..
 
Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Why doesnt anyone get mad at the lawmakers for bailing them out in the first place. It seems everyone just gets mad at AIG. All this was a predictable consequence of bailing them out. We gave them the money.

Well it's beyond that now. Us lowly folk don't get a vote in this bullshit, other than keeping the damn idiot politicians out of office.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Why doesnt anyone get mad at the lawmakers for bailing them out in the first place. It seems everyone just gets mad at AIG. All this was a predictable consequence of bailing them out. We gave them the money.

Well it's beyond that now. Us lowly folk don't get a vote in this bullshit, other than keeping the damn idiot politicians out of office.

This. Even at that, we don't get much of a say... seems like the idiot politicians wind up getting voted in anyhow.
 
There are a lot of idiots in business, just look back at all the business majors you went to college/university with.
 
Originally posted by: James3shin
There are a lot of idiots in business, just look back at all the business majors you went to college/university with.

Don't be jealous. It takes brains to rip people off repeatedly outta their hard earn money w/o going to jail.
 
Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: James3shin
There are a lot of idiots in business, just look back at all the business majors you went to college/university with.

Don't be jealous. It takes brains to rip people off repeatedly outta their hard earn money w/o going to jail.

Jealous? Not a bit, I'm doing just fine in life thank you. Besides, jealousy is a female trait, I kid - not really😛. Also it's not brains, there are just a lot of stupid people in this world. Yes, even dumber then businessmen. It doesn't take much to outwit a businessman, just promise them money and they will follow and listen like a lost puppy.
 
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Why doesnt anyone get mad at the lawmakers for bailing them out in the first place. It seems everyone just gets mad at AIG. All this was a predictable consequence of bailing them out. We gave them the money.

Well it's beyond that now. Us lowly folk don't get a vote in this bullshit, other than keeping the damn idiot politicians out of office.

This. Even at that, we don't get much of a say... seems like the idiot politicians wind up getting voted in anyhow.

Because idiots vote for them.

Americans are too soft on politicians. Even with all the bashing we do, a large percentage (obviously) still vote for their politicians, even after the politician helped pass something the voter didn't agree with. Why? Because of all the good things the guy voted for apparently overshadows a few bad things.
Oh, and then the whole party-line voting bullshit. Ugh. And the problem with the two-party system, is the parties basically push candidates to be ideal models of the party, so in the end... voters see no other choice but to vote along party lines.

But like every other system man has invented, nothing is perfect. There will always be a flaw to every political system devised, so we'll always have bad times as things get shuffled around for various reasons.
 
Originally posted by: Eomer of Aldburg
jealousy is a female trait ? Ok..... *walks away from thread* :roll:

I was K-I-D-D-I-N-G. Does anyone even know where I got that statement from?
 
Meanwhile Congress handed out 9 million in bonuses to their staffers and not a peep of outrage in the MSM, go figure. :Q
 
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