the vaccine is still working, they only need 3 under the skin injections at beginning of treatment, and it lasts at least 1 year and keeps improving for at least 1 year
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Uh-huh.. That'll work for sure, just like it has, already. :roll:
Talk's cheap, but stopping everyone from engaging in sex, protected or otherwise isn't going to happen. Meanwhile, it's a freaking disease. Viruses don't know squat about your "morals," and they could care even less.
It's a disease that can be spread by lots of behavior that would not be considered "risky." In many countries, healthy wives are infected by sex with their husbands who were infected by sex with other women (or men). You can know for damned sure you won't stop all sex between young, hormone stoked teens.
Anyone who thinks people should be denied access to a cure for a life threatening disease based on someone else's morals is a freaking mental and moral dwarf.
easy harve, i think that rip is finally being logical about this issue, read the discussions we've had
Thanks. I wasn't ripping hard on Rip. I was just pointing out the impracticality of thinking that relying only on telling people not to engage in risky behavior would solve the whole problem. It won't because it's impossible to stop all of it. That's why I said anyone (NOT Rip) who thinks it can, or thinks that helping any victim with an available cure, is not thinking straight.
See, I am conflicted in two ways. AIDs is a terrible disease that no one should be subjected to. On the other hand, we drastically require a reduction in population. And then I love science and solving these sorts of problems (otherwise I wouldn't signed on to do work).
Overall, my desire for the continuity of the species and a technological society takes precedence and thusly, I don't think there should be a huge push towards a cure for AIDs. One way or another, the population of human beings is going to come down to something sustainable.
Overall, my desire for the continuity of the species and a technological society takes precedence and thusly, I don't think there should be a huge push towards a cure for AIDs. One way or another, the population of human beings is going to come down to something sustainable.
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Abstenence is a sure fire way to avoid STDs, but I just use celibacy, and monogamy. BTW I don't do it out of any moral compunction. I do it out of love and respect to my girlfriend, and avoidance of STDs. Even if you stop people from having sex, you have not saved the soul. So any religious motive effectively goes out the window. You can stop me from doing alot of things, but you can never change my mind.
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May be a bit Off Topic however....
Your wish will come true. I just think it'll have to do with the enviornment and not so much just a single pestilence such as HIV/AIDS. The ecosystem will not support us much longer. And we will do something very similiar to the Mayans, and the we'll leave this lifestyle, and find new ways to survive. But not until some disaster drastically reduces the population. If you have a box of ten mice, and put in food enough for ten. They will keep the population at ten, give or take a couple. If you increase the food to enough for fifteen, the mice will also increase their population accordingly. If you then suddenly drop the food supply down to enough for five, most will die off, and the mice will approximate a population accordingly. Too bad humans aren't as smart as mice.
but aids and its ARCS are too slow to cull the population, thats where the filoviruses like ebola step in, fast burn, hard hitting, and then it's gone again. It can selectively manage the population.
just watch, give it 5-10 years, their baselines will rise, they always do even on cocktails that keep the virus in check. also undetectable levels of virus mean less than 60 viruses/ml of blood
looks promising, but remeber this is aids, its a retro virus, its inherent reverse transcriptase makes many errors during each replicaion, evolution alone will allow it to over come this at some point, also i think the most promising treatments are RNAi based or miRNA based
RNA like proteins folds, using SELEX you can raise a large number of RNAi sequences that have super high binding affinities quickly allowing for quick changes in formula when a new strain of HIV arises in the body
you also have to remember that AIDS infects some of the very cells that the body uses to fight viral infections, antibodies the body makes don't work becuase of high glycosylation of the aids envelope proteins that bind cd4+, a better way to fight aids is to block receptors like CCR5 which there is currently being worked on
looks promising, but remeber this is aids, its a retro virus, its inherent reverse transcriptase makes many errors during each replicaion, evolution alone will allow it to over come this at some point, also i think the most promising treatments are RNAi based or miRNA based
RNA like proteins folds, using SELEX you can raise a large number of RNAi sequences that have super high binding affinities quickly allowing for quick changes in formula when a new strain of HIV arises in the body
you also have to remember that AIDS infects some of the very cells that the body uses to fight viral infections, antibodies the body makes don't work becuase of high glycosylation of the aids envelope proteins that bind cd4+, a better way to fight aids is to block receptors like CCR5 which there is currently being worked on
the hardest thing is saying who shoudl die first. since your a proponent of population reduction, shouldn't you do your part by removing yourself?
I don't want anyone to die honestly. However, what I want doesn't exactly syngerize with the state of the planet.
i agree and see the need for population reduction, however that is impossible with people following religions that preach to conquer the earth since it was made for us humans
that and religions liek catholocism that actually say condoms and birth control are just as bad as abortion, leading many catholic families to have more than 2 children
i can't believe they consider sperms and eggs to be humans
that and religions liek catholocism that actually say condoms and birth control are just as bad as abortion, leading many catholic families to have more than 2 children
i can't believe they consider sperms and eggs to be humans
AFAIK, AIDS integrates itself into your immune system. Basically, once it's in, it's in, and you're never getting rid of it.
You can only stop the proliferation of AIDS, you cannot remove it from your body.
You can only stop the proliferation of AIDS, you cannot remove it from your body.
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I'm actually with ya on this one. I think the solution relies on the concious choice of millions not to procreate, and if they do, limit themselves to one child. There doesn't need to be any "culling." I just think we are trying to wring too much out of this planet.
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I think this title is a little misleading. Traditional vaccines prevent infections, in this case, the person remains infected but immune activity against the virus is increased. The person is still infected, but the person's immune system is able to manage the infection now.
Of course this is good news, but it won't put a stop to the AIDS epidemic, only slow it down. Supposedly at this point in time, on a numerical basis, HIV/AIDS is the worst epidemic the world has ever seen, even worse than the plague of the middle ages.
Of course this is good news, but it won't put a stop to the AIDS epidemic, only slow it down. Supposedly at this point in time, on a numerical basis, HIV/AIDS is the worst epidemic the world has ever seen, even worse than the plague of the middle ages.
well the title is appropriate because it does prevent aids, it halts hiv in it's tracks and prevents aids from occurring. it doesn't however make one immune to aids
This may be the first time John Titor was proven wrong.....
He said there was still no cure for AIDs in 2036.
He said there was still no cure for AIDs in 2036.
To go back to something Chris Rock said many years ago that still rings true today, the drug companies aren't in it for the cure, they're in it for the money.
Pretty soon, people are going to be like, "Hey man, I noticed you weren't at work yesterday, what's up?"
"Ah man, my AIDS was actin' up, but I took some Robitussin and it's all good!"
Pretty soon, people are going to be like, "Hey man, I noticed you weren't at work yesterday, what's up?"
"Ah man, my AIDS was actin' up, but I took some Robitussin and it's all good!"
HAHAHAHAHA funny~!
Either way I dont beleive in Titor and hopefully he will be talked about nothing once this US civil war doesn't erupt
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I doubt drug companies would cover the cost. They would wonder why you think you need such a vaccine. And no doubt a vaccine would lead to a false sense of "anything goes", send in the naked midgets.
I could see people like Bill Gates and other billionaires funding vaccine programs in third world countries where hiv runs ramped.
And everyone knows hiv was a government created virus created in a lab after WWII during the cold war era to play war games. Then someone had the bright idea to use it against the less desirables in society. No doubt given the go ahead by some past republican president.
So if a vaccine really worked, the government would just create something new and send it down the pipeline...
I could see people like Bill Gates and other billionaires funding vaccine programs in third world countries where hiv runs ramped.
And everyone knows hiv was a government created virus created in a lab after WWII during the cold war era to play war games. Then someone had the bright idea to use it against the less desirables in society. No doubt given the go ahead by some past republican president.
So if a vaccine really worked, the government would just create something new and send it down the pipeline...
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