AIDs question.

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Lifer
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Will the rates of infection in developed countries continue to decrease? It's been assumed that infection rates decrease substantially when education is increased, but there has also been an assumption that the decrease in infection rate is permanent. Is it possible for infection rates to initially decrease, then increase with social/cultural adaptation and complacence?

I heard some information about the UK's infection rate and how it had increased in recent years. I am curious if the US will experience a similar increase - culturally, we continue to treat sex as a harmless activity, we treat it as something of little value, to be given freely. Drugs, a little less common. Homosexuality is growing and increasing in cultural acceptance (which is a good thing), but the lifestyle frequented by many gay men is conducive to AIDs transmission.

What will it take the US as a culture to combat the spread of AIDs and other pandemic viruses?
 

Peetoeng

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Keep working on the vaccines. There's nothing can be done in controlling people's sexual behaviors other than education; that's the difficult part for eliminating HIV.


 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Peetoeng
Keep working on the vaccines. There's nothing can be done in controlling people's sexual behaviors other than education; that's the difficult part for eliminating HIV.

If death doesn't control someone's sexual behavior, I don't know what will.
 

Aceshigh

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The problem is that the death comes slowly. If aids killed in a week, the disease would have been eradicated years ago. But because it kills slowly, people have plenty of time to spread the disease.

It is proven that the possibility of death won't even help control people's sexual behavior. Many people are just ignorant.
 

IGBT

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So I guess we are driven by animal instinct after all...to our death.:(
 

0roo0roo

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my guess is many people that are involved in risky behavior are playing russian roulette because they are a bit suicidal:p which is slightly different from stupidity.

and yes there are those that believe that aids isn't spread that way etc.. ignorance and misinformation.
 

Antisocial Virge

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and yes there are those that believe that aids isn't spread that way etc.. ignorance and misinformation.

Do the Foo Fighters fit into that section?


http://www.aliveandwell.org/index.php?page=foofighters

In case nobody gets my jab. The FooFighters support a group that don't believe in getting tested or treating HIV with drugs. They also have no problem with getting pregnant or unprotected sex even when being HIV+
 

StageLeft

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Education lowers it and then as the problem becomes less significant the education cuts back and then it will rise again.

Developed nations have no business studying AIDs vacines for themselves. People in developed 1st world nations have access to education in such a manner that if you get HIV in this current climate it's entirely your own fault (rape/blood transfusions aside).

In continents like Africa bringing education to such a point that the AIDS epidemic is cut back seems more difficult so there a vaccine seems more of a responsible approach perhaps although I don't know what's so hard about sitting a bunch of villagers together for a day and telling them some basic points about AIDS.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Finding a cure/vaccine to be administered to people in the western world seems a bit of a waste of time, since by the time a cure is found it's only going to be able to treat people who should have known better anyway. I'd rather the money went towards cancer - something that can't always be controlled.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge
and yes there are those that believe that aids isn't spread that way etc.. ignorance and misinformation.

Do the Foo Fighters fit into that section?

i dunno, but i've heard of some gay barebacking advocacy thing... its fringe but real.


 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Peetoeng
Keep working on the vaccines. There's nothing can be done in controlling people's sexual behaviors other than education; that's the difficult part for eliminating HIV.

If death doesn't control someone's sexual behavior, I don't know what will.

The problem is it takes many years for someone to die from the disease or even begin showing symptoms. In that time that infected person could spread the disease to a number of partners. Plus people begin to get the attitude that if Magic johnson is doing so well that the disease can't be all that bad and don't take as many precautions.

If you look at ebola, most infected die so quickly they don't spread it too many people. If AIDS were like that I think the numbers would definetly decrease.

 

StageLeft

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If AIDS were like that I think the numbers would definetly decrease.
Yeah if a virus is so ruthless you die almost immediately it's a poorly formed virus because it never has time to spread.

 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Peetoeng
Keep working on the vaccines. There's nothing can be done in controlling people's sexual behaviors other than education; that's the difficult part for eliminating HIV.

If death doesn't control someone's sexual behavior, I don't know what will.

The problem is it takes many years for someone to die from the disease or even begin showing symptoms. In that time that infected person could spread the disease to a number of partners. Plus people begin to get the attitude that if Magic johnson is doing so well that the disease can't be all that bad and don't take as many precautions.

If you look at ebola, most infected die so quickly they don't spread it too many people. If AIDS were like that I think the numbers would definetly decrease.

Ebola (Zaire) would be one of the most effective killers in history if the incubation period were months or years instead of days.
 

StageLeft

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Illusions of immortality.
No doubt that's responsible for a lot of it. If God came down and told somebody "Look, you carry on doing this I personally assure you that you're going to get Aids and will die exactly 14 years later." I think a lot would stop. People think they're immune, and teenagers especially are often unable to control themselves and realize how their actions will affect their lives in the future.

 

McPhreak

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Originally posted by: Peetoeng
Keep working on the vaccines. There's nothing can be done in controlling people's sexual behaviors other than education; that's the difficult part for eliminating HIV.

I think something that's even more important would be the creation of easy early detection methods. Coupled with education, it's our best way of decreasing HIV cases.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge
Ebola (Zaire) would be one of the most effective killers in history if the incubation period were months or years instead of days.

Or if it was airborn.

To an extent. Ebola still wouldn't become a pandemic, imo, because it still kills too quickly. Considering where outbreaks occur, isolation is much easier than it is for AIDs.