Ahmed Abu Ali - plot to assassinate Bush or just a smokescreen?

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ahurtt

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Originally posted by: Aimster
It's Saudi Arabia. His friend gave him scars? Yeah, the Saudi Police flowered him with milk and cookies and red wine.

Well, if they forced him to drink red wine, now that would be torture for a Muslim.
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Too early to tell. But jump to conclusions like you usually do.
Too early to tell? It's been almost two years and still nothing!

Has there even been one person accused of being a terrorist who's gone to trial, been found guilty, and sentenced?

Unfortunately, proving someone is a terrorist is hard to do. I sometimes wonder if the 9/11 hijackers would have been convicted if we had arrested them before 9/11. Probably not -- it's not a crime to learn how to fly a plane but not how to land it.
 

ahurtt

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You are right, we'd have had to wait until they hijacked the plane. Only at that time did they commit a crime. . .unless they were in the country illegally in which case we'd have had to find them first.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
You are right, we'd have had to wait until they hijacked the plane. Only at that time did they commit a crime. . .unless they were in the country illegally in which case we'd have had to find them first.
Some of them were under observation and were known to be Al Qaeda.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Too early to tell. But jump to conclusions like you usually do.
Too early to tell? It's been almost two years and still nothing!

Has there even been one person accused of being a terrorist who's gone to trial, been found guilty, and sentenced?

YES and Yes,.

People who paid attention (read: Not You) know this already.

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Too early to tell? It's been almost two years and still nothing!

Has there even been one person accused of being a terrorist who's gone to trial, been found guilty, and sentenced?
I am talking about this story. When did you hear about it?
Just yesterday. And, honestly, when the reporter said he's been held for 20 months I literally busted out laughing!

This administration has become a farce.

true, they have *become* a farce. You, on the other hand, have always *been* a farce, as your continuous TROLL posts clearly illustrate.

Jason
 

conjur

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Can't believe I'm going to reply to a DragonMasterAlex troll post but here goes:

ooof...Stewart was railroaded (aiding and abetting a terrorist? Yeah...right)

Your other link is pre-9/11 so therefore doesn't count.



Again, has one TERRORIST been tried, convicted and sentenced since 9/11?
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Too early to tell. But jump to conclusions like you usually do.
Too early to tell? It's been almost two years and still nothing!

Has there even been one person accused of being a terrorist who's gone to trial, been found guilty, and sentenced?

YES and Yes,.

People who paid attention (read: Not You) know this already.

Jason
well, first time I hear about this and if it was something that people should know about then why did you use some very odd sources?
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: ahurtt
I saw this same story on my local news last night. Its funny. . .the part about the torture and the scars. . .Straight out of OBL's terrorist operation manual. This guy is following it to the letter. When captured they are instructed to claim they were tortured and smear the names of the guards and captors. If he does have scars, they are probably self-inflicted or he had a buddy do it. Show me video. Scars prove nothing.

scars proove hell of alot

What exactly do they prove? They prove SOMEBODY inflicted them. . .that is all. So who? Show me video.

so just to get things clear, torture does only happen when they get it on video? in otherwords there is reasonable doubt that it didnt happen so in fact it didnt happen?

No, it works like this: Reasonable doubt exists as to whether it happened, therefore there can be no clear conclusion that it DID happen. It's that whole "Innocent until proven guilty" thing you're always harping on. Funny how you're willing to overlook that when it might be AMERICANS being unfairly convicted.

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: Aimster
This guy is going to jail for life. He will never see freedom again.

I don't think he did anything. His crime is being a Sultan or a BarneyFile.

And your proof is...?
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Too early to tell. But jump to conclusions like you usually do.
Too early to tell? It's been almost two years and still nothing!

Has there even been one person accused of being a terrorist who's gone to trial, been found guilty, and sentenced?

YES and Yes,.

People who paid attention (read: Not You) know this already.

Jason
well, first time I hear about this and if it was something that people should know about then why did you use some very odd sources?

Do a google search for "Terrorist found guilty" and you'll find many links. I just grabbed the first couple I could find.

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Can't believe I'm going to reply to a DragonMasterAlex troll post but here goes:

ooof...Stewart was railroaded (aiding and abetting a terrorist? Yeah...right)

Your other link is pre-9/11 so therefore doesn't count.



Again, has one TERRORIST been tried, convicted and sentenced since 9/11?

Ah, OK, so she was *railroaded*, and you know this conclusively whereas a jury, who actually SAW the evidence and HEARD the testimony couldn't get it figured out? Wow, Conj(ect)ur(e), you must be some kind of deity to know that sort of thing without ever getting near the case!

Jason
 

fornax

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Conjur, DragonMasterAlex will not answer the question because he knows he is in a dire need of clue. While we've known for a long time that our government has been renting thugs and torture services in other contries to extract information from detainees, it appears it has sunk so low that will now send (or leave) US citizens to be tortured abroad. I can see now why Bush and his junta oppose the International Court: since the US government is now an accessory to torture (and a perpetrator, judging from the reports coming out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo), there is no hope that the guilty will be ever brought to justice here in the US.
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: Aimster
This guy is going to jail for life. He will never see freedom again.

I don't think he did anything. His crime is being a Sultan or a BarneyFile.
Yea these days being an Arab, Persian or Afghani nationalist automatically makes you a terrorist. Ridiculous.
 

Starbuck1975

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Yea these days being an Arab, Persian or Afghani nationalist automatically makes you a terrorist. Ridiculous.
The only thing more ridiculous is those of you who honestly believe this guy's hands are clean...it's not like the Saudi authorities did not compile enough compelling evidence to suggest Abu Ali has ties to Al Quaida.

There is not enough information out there to support allegations of a supposed plot against Bush, but cooperating and providing information to Al Quaida is hardly a triviality.
 

Aimster

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The Saudi Academy is a few miles from my house. Let's just say they are extreme. How do I know? Do a google search on the school. There is no evidence they support Al Qaeda however.

Their only crime is being racist and praising 9-11.

This guy had how to avoid wiretap information in his house because it is a given his phones were tapped. Anyone who goes to that school is being watched by the FBI. They praise 9-11 in the school and they come from a country where a handul of the 9-11 terrorist came from.

I guarantee most of the information the police seized from his home came from the school.

Solution: make laws to close these private schools that teach terror. Make laws to sanction Saudi Arabia when they cry about it. Problem solved.
 

Aimster

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The school teaches : Wahhabi curriculum

The problem with Islam are sects such as Wahhabism. If you don't know about Wahhabism go look it up and read their teachings/practices. Saudi Arabia teaches this practice and Saudi Arabia is where most of the terrorist come from. Yet they have a very small population in the Muslim world, but they rank in the top for terror.
 
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Originally posted by: fornax
Conjur, DragonMasterAlex will not answer the question because he knows he is in a dire need of clue. While we've known for a long time that our government has been renting thugs and torture services in other contries to extract information from detainees, it appears it has sunk so low that will now send (or leave) US citizens to be tortured abroad. I can see now why Bush and his junta oppose the International Court: since the US government is now an accessory to torture (and a perpetrator, judging from the reports coming out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo), there is no hope that the guilty will be ever brought to justice here in the US.


And what question is that? If you refer to the question of whether a terrorist has been convicted, I refer you to the above link. Aiding and Abetting terrorism *IS* Terrorism, sorry. I answered the question. I've never once said that our government *doesn't* or *hasn't* done unscrupulous things. I challenge you to find ONE government in the ENTIRE HISTORY of this planet that HASN'T done such things. That's not a valid excuse, but it's a fact nonetheless.

If someone here needs to get a CLUE it's people like you and Conjur, who refuse to look at ANYTHING in an honest and objective light, whose ONLY GOAL is to pin anything and everything you can on BUSH. Well guess what, kiddo: Bush is a complete fvckhead, no question about it, but to act as if the man is the ONLY president now or ever to commit questionable acts or whose administration under him has done so is PURE DISHONESTY.

People like you are FRAUDS, pure and simple. You are an AFFRONT to honesty, an ASSAULT on reason and a MOCKERY of objectivity. You should be ASHAMED of your absurd tactics.

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Aimster
This guy is going to jail for life. He will never see freedom again.

I don't think he did anything. His crime is being a Sultan or a BarneyFile.
Yea these days being an Arab, Persian or Afghani nationalist automatically makes you a terrorist. Ridiculous.

Funny, I don't think that's true. Does anyone else here think that's true? There are 3 people I work with EVERY DAY who are from the middle east (one is from Pakistan, two are from Saudi) and NONE of them would I imagine for a moment as a potential terrorist. On the contrary, ALL of them came here to ESCAPE persecution by the rest of those religious nutjobs over there. I suppose not coincidentally, ALL three of them stand in FULL support of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and are VERY vocal about their support.

But then, your game isn't about being FOR any particular IDEA, it's just about being AGAINST AMERICA and AMERICANS.

Jason
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: conjur
Can't believe I'm going to reply to a DragonMasterAlex troll post but here goes:

ooof...Stewart was railroaded (aiding and abetting a terrorist? Yeah...right)

Your other link is pre-9/11 so therefore doesn't count.



Again, has one TERRORIST been tried, convicted and sentenced since 9/11?

???