Ahmadinijad addresses UN declares he will ignore US

[Lemon law]

Just in from Yahoo news. Iran says its nuclear future is dead as political issue. And Iran will ignore world powers and only deal with the UN's IEAE.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...kc0Wq.SuEH3TZqp0Os0NUE

My only comment is the US is acting childish for putting its fingers in its ears and walking out.

But like it or not, a major confrontation is brewing. I hope it can be peacefully resolved. And even if anyone thinks Ahmadinijad is nuts, I still think its Iran's position independent of Ahmadinijad.

 

[Aimster]

Why does the U.S hate Iran?
Why does Iran hate the U.S?

Answer those questions and you will see why the U.S is acting childish.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Iran has no intention of listening to anyone, and never did. They'll do as they please, and the UN will make loud noises, which is about all that it can do anyway.

 

[nick1985]

Mind if I join in on the Pro-Iran/Anti-America circle jerk? Not that we have enough of these threads anyway...

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Iran has no intention of listening to anyone, and never did. They'll do as they please, and the UN will make loud noises, which is about all that it can do anyway.

Iran might find out that sometimes the best course of action is to "let the wookie win".

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Iran has no intention of listening to anyone, and never did. They'll do as they please, and the UN will make loud noises, which is about all that it can do anyway.

They have a right to build nuclear plants and enrich uranium.

Would you listen to the U.S if it has ignored you for 28 years?
Why would Iran give up their right for the U.S?

You want Iran to stop their "right", engage in talks with them.
But like I said, doing so would make the U.S recognize the Iranian Regime. The U.S doesn't recognize it and wants it gone.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Iran has no intention of listening to anyone, and never did. They'll do as they please, and the UN will make loud noises, which is about all that it can do anyway.

They have a right to build nuclear plants and enrich uranium.

Would you listen to the U.S if it has ignored you for 28 years?
Why would Iran give up their right for the U.S?

You want Iran to stop their "right", engage in talks with them.
But like I said, doing so would make the U.S recognize the Iranian Regime. The U.S doesn't recognize it and wants it gone.

There is nothing the US could do or say that would make the Iranians change voluntarily . It's too late for that. Once the Axis speech did it's job on tossing out the moderates, the political landscape turned for the worse. I don't trust the Iranian leadership one bit. I'll listen to what they have to say, but I won't believe a word.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Aimster said:

Why does the U.S hate Iran?
Why does Iran hate the U.S?

What US has done to Iran:

1953, overthrew the moderate, secular, democratically elected Mossadegh government, installed a monarch on the Peacock Throne. Armed the Shah's army, sold them over-priced weaponry; trained the SAVAK, the dreaded Iranian secret police. Which murdered many.

After the Shah was deposed, allowed him sanctuary in US along with the $12,000,000,000.00 he stole from the Iranian treasury.

Turned US Embassy into a CIA spy nest.

July 3, 1988, USS Vincennes shoots down Iran Air airliner, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children. The Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters at the time.

1980-1988 Provided arms and intelligence to US ally, the murderous dictator Saddam Hussein, and encouraged him to wage war against Iran. 1,000,000 persons were killed in the war.



What Iran has done to US:

Seized hostages at US Embassy. Later, released all hostages.

May supply Shia militia in Iraq with arms and explosives.

 

[Hacp]

Ahmadinijad means squat. The real head honcho is Kholmeni.

 

[Lemon law]

At least in my mind this is not about justifications or moral arguments. Wake up to the fact that this may mean war. Somehow I am not happy with a GWB sitting in the oval office
or a Ahmadinijad sitting as the head of Iran. The UN may not be able to do squat, but France and Germany seem to have already moved to the US side. If China and Russia join, it may be game set and match for war.

What I feel matters nothing but we all better start worrying. Our world leaders may act like a bunch of irresponsible idiots.

 

[Aimster]

You forget if the U.S lifts sanctions on Iran (meaning friendly terms) Iran would become the largest economic powerhouse in the M.E. It would be the largest and most powerful Islamic nation in the M.E.

You really want a powerful Islamic nation? The West doesn't. Keep Iran as weak as you can.

Edit: I meant world.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster
You really want a powerful Islamic nation? The West doesn't. Keep Iran as weak as you can.

Edit: I meant world.

We honestly wouldn't have to do that if Iran respected worldwide sentiment and UN resolutions stating that they must stop their enrichment processes - at least for the time being.

It's also ironic that Iran has so much respect for the UN's IAEA, yet none whatsoever for the UN Security Council.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: nick1985
Mind if I join in on the Pro-Iran sovereignty /Anti-American foreign policy circle jerk? Not that we have enough of these threads anyway...

Fixed

 

[Auric]

Quick, go to news.google main page and see the thumbnail piccy used for the World section headline as per topic (Iran President Vows to Ignore UN Measures)...

It's two dudes engaged in a traditional cheek kiss greeting but obviously a not-so-subtle back-handed slap in accordance with the misconstrued "no homosexuals in Iran" hysteria.

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Oh ah heck, it's gone.

 

[Lemon law]

I have checked various sources, but I can't seem to find anything on the Russian and Chinese positions on this issue.

 

[Aimster]

Russia China and Germany say no more

 

[daveshel]

This guy is scary. He sounds completely out of touch when he states his position regarding the nuclear issues.

Then all of a sudden he makes some valid points regarding the conduct of the US during the recent world events.

Then he goes to the nugget about "who was truly involved" in 9/11.

Either 1.)he is totally nuts, 2)he has way more balls than brains and is doing some grossly inept saber-rattling, or 3) he does actually know something we don't and so far in his tour he has been toying with us and building up to a dramatic revelation (capital R is optional)

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Russia China and Germany say no more

???

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Russia China and Germany say no more

???

no more sanctions

 

[Aimster]

NM germany said today they will impose more sanctions

 

[maluckey]

BMW540I6speed

Are you sure you aren't Narmer? Let me correct your post

Mosaddegh or Mossadegh) (19 May 1882 ? 5 March 1967) served as the Prime minister of Iran.from 1951 to 1953. He was democratically elected to the parliament, and as leader of the nationalists was twice appointed as prime minister by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, after a positive vote of inclination by the parliament. Mossadegh was a nationalist and passionately opposed foreign intervention in Iran. He was also the architect of the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry, which had been under British control through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, today known as British Petroleum (BP).

Due to a multitude of disagreements with his former allies, especially the communists and Islamists, and disagreements with the Shah and with the parliament over his handling of the talks regarding compensation of the British side, he dissolved the parliament using a referendum to avoid impeachment. This act was characterized as unconstitutional by some of his closest allies as well as opponents, and led to the Shah's dismissing him from office on August 16, 1953

July 3, 1988, USS Vincennes shoots down Iran Air airliner, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children. The Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters at the time. The Airbus was 4 miles west of the usual commercial airline route and had not responded to requests by the Vincennes to change course. An hour earlier, the Vincennes had been engaged in a gun battle with three Iranian gunboats, after a helicopter from the Vincennes was fired on. US warships were tasked to keep the Straits of Hormuz open during the Iran-Iraq war and was escorting Kuwaiti tankers at the time.

What Iran has done to US:

Seized hostages at US Embassy. Later, released all hostages.

May supply Shia militia in Iraq with arms and explosives.

I'll fix this for you..

Seized hostages at US Embassy
Supplies chemical weapons and "expertise" to Syria.
Founded and still supports/trains Hezbolla
Is delevoping an illegal nuclear program
Threatens extermination of a neighboring country
Supplies expertise to train AIF/AQ and supplies them with weapons and money (now confirmed with photos and arrests to back claim)

Shall I go on? You are certainly in the same boat as Narmer on this matter.



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[Aimster]

chemical weapons to Syria? W T F?
Arms AQ?

W T F

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: maluckey
BMW540I6speed

Are you sure you aren't Narmer? Let me correct your post

Mosaddegh or Mossadegh) (19 May 1882 ? 5 March 1967) served as the Prime minister of Iran.from 1951 to 1953. He was democratically elected to the parliament, and as leader of the nationalists was twice appointed as prime minister by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, after a positive vote of inclination by the parliament. Mossadegh was a nationalist and passionately opposed foreign intervention in Iran. He was also the architect of the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry, which had been under British control through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, today known as British Petroleum (BP).

Due to a multitude of disagreements with his former allies, especially the communists and Islamists, and disagreements with the Shah and with the parliament over his handling of the talks regarding compensation of the British side, he dissolved the parliament using a referendum to avoid impeachment. This act was characterized as unconstitutional by some of his closest allies as well as opponents, and led to the Shah's dismissing him from office on August 16, 1953

July 3, 1988, USS Vincennes shoots down Iran Air airliner, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children. The Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters at the time. The Airbus was 4 miles west of the usual commercial airline route and had not responded to requests by the Vincennes to change course. An hour earlier, the Vincennes had been engaged in a gun battle with three Iranian gunboats, after a helicopter from the Vincennes was fired on. US warships were tasked to keep the Straits of Hormuz open during the Iran-Iraq war and was escorting Kuwaiti tankers at the time.

What Iran has done to US:

Seized hostages at US Embassy. Later, released all hostages.

May supply Shia militia in Iraq with arms and explosives.

I'll fix this for you..

Seized hostages at US Embassy
Supplies chemical weapons and "expertise" to Syria.
Founded and still supports/trains Hezbolla
Is delevoping an illegal nuclear program
Threatens extermination of a neighboring country
Supplies expertise to train AIF/AQ and supplies them with weapons and money (now confirmed with photos and arrests to back claim)

Shall I go on? You are certainly in the same boat as Narmer on this matter.

I thought maybe I would help you understand the question "What has Iran done to the U.S." a little better.

I'll fix this for you..

Seized hostages at US Embassy
Supplies chemical weapons and "expertise" - to Syria. Wasn't done to the U.S., and we did the same with Iraq
Founded and still supports/trains Hezbolla - Wasn't done to the U.S.
Is delevoping an illegal nuclear program - Wasn't done to the U.S., they have just as much right as we do.
Threatens extermination of a neighboring country - Wasn't done to the U.S.
Supplies expertise to train AIF/AQ and supplies them with weapons and money (now confirmed with photos and arrests to back claim) - this was done to the U.S., but wouldn't even be an issue "if" we had never went in the first place (foreign policy rears its ugly head AGAIN

Shall I go on?

Please enlighten us on what Iran has done directly to the U.S.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: maluckey
BMW540I6speed

Are you sure you aren't Narmer? Let me correct your post

Mosaddegh or Mossadegh) (19 May 1882 ? 5 March 1967) served as the Prime minister of Iran.from 1951 to 1953. He was democratically elected to the parliament, and as leader of the nationalists was twice appointed as prime minister by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, after a positive vote of inclination by the parliament. Mossadegh was a nationalist and passionately opposed foreign intervention in Iran. He was also the architect of the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry, which had been under British control through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, today known as British Petroleum (BP).

Due to a multitude of disagreements with his former allies, especially the communists and Islamists, and disagreements with the Shah and with the parliament over his handling of the talks regarding compensation of the British side, he dissolved the parliament using a referendum to avoid impeachment. This act was characterized as unconstitutional by some of his closest allies as well as opponents, and led to the Shah's dismissing him from office on August 16, 1953

July 3, 1988, USS Vincennes shoots down Iran Air airliner, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children. The Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters at the time. The Airbus was 4 miles west of the usual commercial airline route and had not responded to requests by the Vincennes to change course. An hour earlier, the Vincennes had been engaged in a gun battle with three Iranian gunboats, after a helicopter from the Vincennes was fired on. US warships were tasked to keep the Straits of Hormuz open during the Iran-Iraq war and was escorting Kuwaiti tankers at the time.[/I

What Iran has done to US:

Seized hostages at US Embassy. Later, released all hostages.

May supply Shia militia in Iraq with arms and explosives.

I'll fix this for you..

Seized hostages at US Embassy
Supplies chemical weapons and "expertise" to Syria.
Founded and still supports/trains Hezbolla
Is delevoping an illegal nuclear program
Threatens extermination of a neighboring country
Supplies expertise to train AIF/AQ and supplies them with weapons and money (now confirmed with photos and arrests to back claim)

Shall I go on? You are certainly in the same boat as Narmer on this matter.

Somebody called? Anyways, your assertion that an inter-Iranian conflict was enough for alien forces to intervene and back their horse (the Shah) is a joke. Try harder next time.

 

[Lemon law]

Iran arms Al-Quida sez maluckey?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

You are really drinking some potent GWB&co. koolaid. Must be recycled Saddam Hussein WMD. Removes 99 times its weight in extraneous and un needed logic.