Ahmadinejad's new campaign slogan

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Yes, We Can

The video features a cover picture of Ahmadinejad wearing his trademark white jacket and pointing to the Farsi phrase Ma Mitavanim (We Can) on a blackboard. The film is aimed at students and capitalises on his former status as a university lecturer.

This is just too funny. I think he's in for a surprise; I don't think Obama will be a pushover when it comes down to it-- he's too afraid of being labeled one.

We'll see.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Obama's slogan was 'Change we can apologize for' so this is a bit different.

Blithering idiocy. Change from Bush is good. Correcting our mistakes is good.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Change from Bush is good. Correcting our mistakes is good.
Well that can be credited to the Americans who voted against the Republicans in the last election.
 

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With the economy in recession and the bailout of the financial sector costing hundreds of billions of dollars, deficits would rocket to $1.7 trillion for the ongoing budget year, dipping to a still-astonishing $1.2 trillion in 2010. The national debt would rise from today's $11.2 trillion level to $17 trillion at the end of 2014.

Taking those pesky GWB decifits and doubling them.. thats definitely change.. 17 trillion dollar debt.. thats definitely change. But I guess in 5 years, Obama still thinks the economy is going to be in the tank..

His slogan should probably have been:

Spending we can't believe!
 

KK

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Linky

With the economy in recession and the bailout of the financial sector costing hundreds of billions of dollars, deficits would rocket to $1.7 trillion for the ongoing budget year, dipping to a still-astonishing $1.2 trillion in 2010. The national debt would rise from today's $11.2 trillion level to $17 trillion at the end of 2014.

Taking those pesky GWB decifits and doubling them.. thats definitely change.. 17 trillion dollar debt.. thats definitely change. But I guess in 5 years, Obama still thinks the economy is going to be in the tank..

His slogan should probably have been:

Spending we can't believe!

mo money mo money mo...
 

Lemon law

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Even though Ahmadinejad is running for another term, a campaign slogan means little, and Ahmadinejad is and remains an unpopular national embarrassment to most of Iran.

Never confuse what Ahmadinejad says and what the real power brokers in Iran do.

Unlike the US presidency which is a very powerful office, the Presidency of Iran does not come even close to having even a tiny fraction of the power to drive policy.

As it is, a moderate and not Ahmadinejad would have likely won the last election, but when Cheney kicked the Iranian moderates aside and rudely rebuffed their initiatives, it really weakened their position allowing Ahmadinejad to win.

And now that Ahmadinejad is up for election again, the Obama administration can really weaken Ahmadinejad and strength his moderate opponent in hundreds of subtle ways.

And then we may have a radical right, who may wake up after the 8/09 Iranian election will no more Ahmadinejad to kick around anymore.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Why would we want to weaken Ahmadinejad?

Chuck
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In other words you confess to being part of the WE that wants Iran to be incompetently led,
thus hurting all Iranians and many other people in the region in the process.

That must really make you a prince of a guy who just loves conflict and international tension.
 

chucky2

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Oh no LL, I just don't want the US/West doing what you and yours have bashed Bush for doing for 8 years...you know, meddling in the affairs of other countries.

The people of Iran have elected him, and they'll either chose to elect him again or not.

They're getting what they want...who are we to "really weaken Ahmadinejad and strength his moderate opponent in hundreds of subtle ways" ?????

Surely you aren't suggesting the US/West stick its nose into the business of other countries????

I must be mistaken in what I read here......

Chuck
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Oh no LL, I just don't want the US/West doing what you and yours have bashed Bush for doing for 8 years...you know, meddling in the affairs of other countries.

The people of Iran have elected him, and they'll either chose to elect him again or not.

They're getting what they want...who are we to "really weaken Ahmadinejad and strength his moderate opponent in hundreds of subtle ways" ?????

Surely you aren't suggesting the US/West stick its nose into the business of other countries????

I must be mistaken in what I read here......

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Ok, chucky2, I admit you have a minor point there, but Israel was able to very successfully distort what Ahmadinejad said by distorting what he actually meant vs. surface said . Lots of manipulators on all sides, its still a subtle matter of degree on what the USA can legitimately do and where the boundary on illegitimate manipulation starts.

Granted both the USA under Cheney and Israel more than crossed the illegitimate manipulation line, but there is a broad area remaining.

If you do not understand where Cheney and Israel crossed that line, I will be glad to tell you in much greater detail. Do you really want to take me up on my offer?
 

Lemon law

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OK Chucky2, when Achmadinejad said we will wipe Israel off the map, he is referring to the land gains Israel occupies but does not own from the 1967 war.
And those post 1967 gains redrew existing maps and Achmadinejad advocates that the world returns to the original 1948 Israeli borders, in that sense saying it would be wiped off the map.

The point being, Israel under UN charter is not permitted to gain land by conquest, so in that sense has to have the map redrawn anyway, its already been debated on countless other threads, and hopefully that eventual and inevitable redrawing of map can be done peacefully.

Yet, Israel is using the Achmadinejad statement as if he intends to use immediate violence against Israel to force the issue. Something simply not the case as evidence has born out.

As for the US and Iran under GWB&co, its been a continual try to poke Iran with sharp sticks at every opportunity, accusing Iran of aiding the Iraqi insurgents while the USA is subsidizing numerous terrorists groups who attack Iran. Ya I know, Iran took over a US embassy 30 years ago, but isn't 30 years a little long to stay in a Cheney induced snit, that even went as far as the US helping Iraq attack Iran.

Actually a US Iranian alliance makes a lot of sense, because if nothing else, Iran can help Uncle Sammy get out of the two quick sand bogs he has both feet stuck in, especially the Afghan one. And the reasoning is simple, Iran has huge reserves of natural gas with India as a eager buyer, what is lacking is a pipeline through Afghanistan and Pakistan, and something the US opposes. If such a Iranian financed pipeline is built, it would bring the economic development plus modern ideas needed win the war of ideas with the Taliban, force India to forge stronger ties with Pakistan or else their pipeline gets cut, and would be a general win win win for everyone. But no, can't have that under the Cheney snit, anything good for Iran is bad for us. That is something rather stupid to base our foreign policy on.