Ahmadinejad tells West: Accept Israel's 'imminent collapse'

[ProfJohn]

Just when we thought this election would be about the economy Ahmedinejad reminds us that the world is still a dangerous place.

I am truly fearfull that the day we learn this guy has the bomb is the day he proves it to the world by setting of a nuke test ala North Korea.

link

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called on the West Wednesday to acknowledge Israel's "imminent collapse."

Speaking to a crowd on a visit to the southern port of Bushehr, where Iran's first light-water nuclear power plant is being built by Russia, Ahmadinejad further incited his listeners to "stop supporting the Zionists, as [their] regime reached its final stage."
Advertisement

"Accept that the life of Zionists will sooner or later come to an end," the Iranian president said in a televised speech.

He added, "What we have right now is the last chapter [of Israeli atrocities] which the Palestinians and regional nations will confront and eventually turn in Palestine's favor."

Iran does not acknowledge Israel and Ahmadinejad has in the past sparked international outcry by referring to the systematic murder of six million Jews in World War II as a "myth" and calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Iran is currently also mediating in the crisis over the Gaza Strip, where Israel has imposed a blockade on border crossings into the coastal territory, barring the entry of supplies into the already impoverished area. Last week, Palestinian militants blew holes in the barrier separating the Gaza Strip from Egypt, prompting hundreds of thousands of Gazans to pour into Egypt in search of supplies.

Ahmadinejad also urged the Western powers to help build nuclear power plants in his country saying it will be too late if they do not decide to do so immediately.

"If you will not come, this nation will build nuclear plants based on its own resources and when you come some four years later it will reject your request and not then give you any opportunity," he said.

"I am addressing leaders of two or three powers; do you remember I sent you message and told you to stop be stubborn? If you think that you can block the movement of Iranian nation, you are wrong," the Iranian president continued.

Also on Wednesday Ahmad Fayyazbakhsh, the deputy head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization told reporters the first Iranian-made light-water 360 megawatt nuclear power plant will go operational in 2016 in the southwestern Iranian town of Darkhovin.

The official also said that the Bushehr plant would go on test operation in October, though its precision instruments have yet to be delivered.

The United Nations Security Council has been trying to pressure Iran to freeze uranium enrichment, but it has repeatedly refused, and officials from the International Atomic Energy Agency have privately said Tehran is expanding the program.

The Security Council is considering a new draft resolution that calls for additional sanctions against Iran, including bans on travel. Two sets of sanctions have already been imposed on Iran for refusing to halt enrichment.

The five veto-wielding members of the council - the U.S., Britain, France, China and Russia - along with Germany, agreed last week on the basic terms of the new resolution. Diplomats have said the full, 15-nation Security Council will likely approve it next month.

Iran insists its enrichment activities are intended only to produce fuel for nuclear reactors that would generate electricity, but the U.S. and others suspect Tehran's real aim is to produce nuclear bombs.

A U.S. intelligence report released last month, however, concluded Tehran had stopped its nuclear weapons program in late 2003 and had not resumed it since.

Iranian officials have said they plan to generate 20,000 megawatts of electricity through nuclear energy in the next two decades.

 

[IronWing]

So Iran gets the bomb, big deal. They feel more secure, the raving lunatics don't have anything to rave about anymore, and a crack opens up for the moderates to exploit. The rest of the world adjusts to the new reality and life goes on.

 

[DarkThinker]

Israel has +300 Nuclear warheads, I don't judge anyone that finds that alarming.

 

[bamacre]

ProfJohn, if Iran gets "the bomb," what then? Do you honestly think they would use it preemptively?

 

[ProfJohn]

^ do you want to take that chance?

Plus Iran does not have a history of acting like a good country should.
Even Saddam honored diplomacy after his invasion of Kuwait, unlike Iran and it's take over of the US embassy.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ do you want to take that chance?

Plus Iran does not have a history of acting like a good country should.
Even Saddam honored diplomacy after his invasion of Kuwait, unlike Iran and it's take over of the US embassy.

It's not possible to prevent them from getting the bomb if they want to. And actually in terms of international diplomacy I can't think of much they've done outside of the embassy thing (which was almost 30 years ago now.) I guess they have some terrorism sponsoring issues, but then again what country doesn't these days, ourselves included? Even if you count the embassy thing its not completely fair to compare the actions of established countries with ones that are currently undergoing a popular revolution. I would even go so far as to say when it involves respecting other countries' territorial rights they put us to shame... haha.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ do you want to take that chance?

So, your answer to my question is "yes?"

What should we, and can we, do to prevent Iran from obtaining "the bomb" then?

If air-strikes couldn't get the job done, would you support a US-led invasion of Iran to prevent them from obtaining "the bomb?"

Plus Iran does not have a history of acting like a good country should.

This is a dumb statement. We don't even have a history of "acting like a good country should." I don't even quite know what that is supposed to mean.

Even Saddam honored diplomacy after his invasion of Kuwait, unlike Iran and it's take over of the US embassy.

And where did that get him?

 

[First]

Iran is a non-threat to national security as long as the U.S. doesn't invade them. Israel will continue to survive, prosperously. Ahmadinejad is merely another example of a ME politician playing the Israel card to drum up public support to reinvigorate his sagging ratings.

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

Who the hell cares

You all do realize that this guy has no real power? And that all hes doing is spewing out random crap that makes him popular in Iran.

Just wait till his re-election campaign when he'll be saying things left and right.

Edit: ah, beat me to it Evan.

 

[Jhhnn]

Even Saddam honored diplomacy after his invasion of Kuwait, unlike Iran and it's take over of the US embassy.

That's about as mealy-mouthed an obfuscation as I've ever encountered.

"Honored diplomacy" means what, exactly? Maybe you're referring to Saddam's support of the MEK, a terrorist organization that attacked 13 Iranian embassies around the world in 1992... and for the deaths of thousands of Iranian civilians, too...

An organization that's now nurtured and protected by the US military, even though they're rightfullly labelled as a terrorist organization by the US State Dept...

They were also involved in the original takeover of the American embassy 30 years ago, too- before they had a falling out with the Ayatollah's people... I guess if it's easy enough to forgive them their part in it all, put it off onto the current Iranian regime... Gotta love it- neocon reactionaries in bed with islamic marxists...

http://smintheusblog.blogspot....i-terrorists-down.html

Stick with your usual cut and paste of the usual rightwing agitprop, pj- your own arguments are extremely clumsy and transparent...

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Just when we thought this election would be about the economy Ahmedinejad reminds us that the world is still a dangerous place.

I am truly fearfull that the day we learn this guy has the bomb is the day he proves it to the world by setting of a nuke test ala North Korea.

If he nukes a nation, we nuke his nation. Of course, that IS how he believes the 12th Imam returns to earth for the Islamic version of revelations. But hey, it's apparently popular to go ahead and let this unfold before us.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ do you want to take that chance?

Plus Iran does not have a history of acting like a good country should.
Even Saddam honored diplomacy after his invasion of Kuwait, unlike Iran and it's take over of the US embassy.

Fifty years back Iran had a democratic, secular government with a liberal, popular elected leader, now just what happened to change that? Oh! Ya! Liberty loving interference.:laugh:

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ do you want to take that chance?

Plus Iran does not have a history of acting like a good country should.
Even Saddam honored diplomacy after his invasion of Kuwait, unlike Iran and it's take over of the US embassy.

Fifty years back Iran had a democratic, secular government with a liberal, popular elected leader, now just what happened to change that? Oh! Ya! Liberty loving interference.:laugh:

I'll take radical Islam for $400.

Did I answer correctly?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Fifty years back Iran had a democratic, secular government with a liberal, popular elected leader, now just what happened to change that? Oh! Ya! Liberty loving interference.:laugh:

I'll take radical Islam for $400.

Did I answer correctly?

Hahaha, honestly you really didn't.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ do you want to take that chance?

Plus Iran does not have a history of acting like a good country should.
Even Saddam honored diplomacy after his invasion of Kuwait, unlike Iran and it's take over of the US embassy.

Fifty years back Iran had a democratic, secular government with a liberal, popular elected leader, now just what happened to change that? Oh! Ya! Liberty loving interference.:laugh:

no clue huh???

 

[Jaskalas]

I'll share a clue.

"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every corner in the world... But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world"

1st Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini

 

[fskimospy]

Guys I'll share a hint for you. Whampom was talking about the US installed Shah of Iran that overthrew the elected popular government.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Guys I'll share a hint for you. Whampom was talking about the US installed Shah of Iran that overthrew the elected popular government.

and the reason was because the elected government wanted to nationize the iranian oil industries and the western oil companies would have lost out big time.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Guys I'll share a hint for you. Whampom was talking about the US installed Shah of Iran that overthrew the elected popular government.

and the reason was because the elected government wanted to nationize the iranian oil industries and the western oil companies would have lost out big time.

Their Oil, their rules.

 

[morkinva]

So long as the democracy you are subverting consists of brown people that aren't really human, then the cia is justified in doing so. What's so hard to understand?

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I'll share a clue.

"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every corner in the world... But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world"

1st Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini

Here's more clues:
Operation AjaxOperatoon Ajax
Mosaddeq

There is a school of thought that considers these actions by the Brits & CIA to be the starting point of modern Islamic terrorism which has grown to what we see today.

 

[Lemon law]

Yes it still gets us back to the problem of how we prevent Israel, Pakistan, and India from obtaining nuclear weapons. Next trick, go back to 1948, and create the nation state of Israel
the right way.

But I am also betting Ahmadinejad is being somewhat quoted out of context because he usually refers to restoring the pre 1967 borders of Israel which Israeli propaganda then inflates into the whole of Israel. But point taken, Ahmadinejhad is almost as big of a kook as GWB. At least most Iranians will admit it publically. And they can hardly wait until 8/2009 to see his term expire.

 

[StageLeft]

Who cares. Even if he got a nuke, which he is not working on (supposedly), he won't do anything with it.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who cares. Even if he got a nuke, which he is not working on (supposedly), he won't do anything with it.

Even if Iran gets an eventual nuclear weapon, which will not be before 2014 or so, Ahmadinejhad will be discarded into the scrap bin of history long before. And while Ahmadinejhad is very unpopular in Iran, the idea of obtaining nuclear energy for power
generation is very popular in Iran and now amounts to a national mandate.

And as the nuclear plants for power generation now start to go on line in Iran, that fork in the road will become possible by 2012 and be made by a future Iranian leadership. To extract the Plutonium from spent fuel rods for nuclear weapons or not.

The point is, what can we do NOW so that future Iranian leaders decide not to divert spent fuel rods into nuclear weapons production?

hint hint---a poking of Iran with sharp sticks diplomacy is not very smart.

But its what we have grown used to from GWB&co. Stupid brainfarts that backfire big time.

And in future we may not be dealing with a motor mouth Iranian idiot like Agmadinejhad, but rather some Iranian leader who speaks softly but carries a very big self defense stick.

 

[StageLeft]

Yes, put yourself in Iran's shoes. Wouldn't you want a nuke? It's the only way to prevent the US from attacking. When the last report came out saying they were not looking at WMD, Bush's response was "ah ha, but they WERE, they could start it up again!". Basically, "they can't win", nothing they can do would keep people like Bush at bay besides wielding a nuclear weapon. What the US can help to do prevent it, not sure. What they can help do to speed it along--keep doing what it's doing.