Ahmadinejad interview

[0marTheZealot]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

 

[JS80]

how do you read this crap? he never directly answers any of the tough questions

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

I heard his address to the UN this evening live. He is a nutjob. Not surprised that P&N posters would say "he makes some good points".

 

[OCGuy]

How about that holocaust point?

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

I heard his address to the UN this evening live. He is a nutjob. Not surprised that P&N posters would say "he makes some good points".

Sure, if you don't know history, have a set mindset and can't think for yourself, then yea, everyone is a nutjob if you try hard enough.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: OCguy
How about that holocaust point?

lol based on his name that's probably what he thinks were good points.

 

[OCGuy]

How about the "putting political rivals on trial" points?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

I heard his address to the UN this evening live. He is a nutjob. Not surprised that P&N posters would say "he makes some good points".

Sure, if you don't know history, have a set mindset and can't think for yourself, then yea, everyone is a nutjob if you try hard enough.

Did or did not Germany commit genocide against the jews? Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

No he is not a moron just a religious bigoted nut job.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

I heard his address to the UN this evening live. He is a nutjob. Not surprised that P&N posters would say "he makes some good points".

Sure, if you don't know history, have a set mindset and can't think for yourself, then yea, everyone is a nutjob if you try hard enough.

Did or did not Germany commit genocide against the jews? Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?

Sure, he did. The point is, we ignore all the other people attacked in the Holocaust as well. Where is the cry for the gypsy homeland? The homosexual homeland? The Mongoloid homeland? The point is that the Jews are the "charismatic megafauna" of the human race. Only they were given a homeland because of persecution.

Secondly, the Holocaust is only a big deal because Hitler lost. Victors write the history, not the losers. Look at the American Indian. They suffered an even worse Holocaust than the Jews (over 90% of them killed) and they suffer under an Apartheid-like existence on reservations. The difference between American Indians and Jews? The Jews were on the winning side in WWII, while the Native Americans were not. There are almost no mentions of Stalin's genocide/atrocities except in a passing manner. No one cries for those people (Siberians, Russians, Ukrainians, etc etc).

This is the point Ahmadinejad was trying to make. Jews are charismatic megafauna while all other peoples just have to deal with their plight.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

I heard his address to the UN this evening live. He is a nutjob. Not surprised that P&N posters would say "he makes some good points".

Sure, if you don't know history, have a set mindset and can't think for yourself, then yea, everyone is a nutjob if you try hard enough.

Did or did not Germany commit genocide against the jews? Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?

Sure, he did. The point is, we ignore all the other people attacked in the Holocaust as well. Where is the cry for the gypsy homeland? The homosexual homeland? The Mongoloid homeland? The point is that the Jews are the "charismatic megafauna" of the human race. Only they were given a homeland because of persecution.

Secondly, the Holocaust is only a big deal because Hitler lost. Victors write the history, not the losers. Look at the American Indian. They suffered an even worse Holocaust than the Jews (over 90% of them killed) and they suffer under an Apartheid-like existence on reservations. The difference between American Indians and Jews? The Jews were on the winning side in WWII, while the Native Americans were not. There are almost no mentions of Stalin's genocide/atrocities except in a passing manner. No one cries for those people (Siberians, Russians, Ukrainians, etc etc).

This is the point Ahmadinejad was trying to make. Jews are charismatic megafauna while all other peoples just have to deal with their plight.

Don't worry. If Glenn Beck questioned the Holocaust all you would hear is "he has the right to his opinions". Mel Gibson's father is a hugely anti-Israel Holocaust denier with a son who has been arrested making ethnic slurs. Wonder their opinion on him.

You forgot almost every person on these boards are partisan hacks, incapable of logical or abstract thinking unless it is a talking point of one of their mouthpieces.
We have no problem with what we did to the Native Americans. Or what China does to their people. Or what South Africaans had done to Blacks. But start mentioning what Hitler, or Castro, or Stalin did and you'd think we were a bunch of Quakers.

 

[rockyct]

He's a politician. Their political pandering is just quite a bit more extreme then ours. He's definitely not crazy.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

I heard his address to the UN this evening live. He is a nutjob. Not surprised that P&N posters would say "he makes some good points".

Sure, if you don't know history, have a set mindset and can't think for yourself, then yea, everyone is a nutjob if you try hard enough.

Did or did not Germany commit genocide against the jews? Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?

Sure, he did. The point is, we ignore all the other people attacked in the Holocaust as well. Where is the cry for the gypsy homeland? The homosexual homeland? The Mongoloid homeland? The point is that the Jews are the "charismatic megafauna" of the human race. Only they were given a homeland because of persecution.

Secondly, the Holocaust is only a big deal because Hitler lost. Victors write the history, not the losers. Look at the American Indian. They suffered an even worse Holocaust than the Jews (over 90% of them killed) and they suffer under an Apartheid-like existence on reservations. The difference between American Indians and Jews? The Jews were on the winning side in WWII, while the Native Americans were not. There are almost no mentions of Stalin's genocide/atrocities except in a passing manner. No one cries for those people (Siberians, Russians, Ukrainians, etc etc).

This is the point Ahmadinejad was trying to make. Jews are charismatic megafauna while all other peoples just have to deal with their plight.

its only a half point, and its not a good one

the jews didn't have to deal with their plight? NO because they were fucking dead

I can appreciate trying to see other points of view, but lets not be delusional here

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

I heard his address to the UN this evening live. He is a nutjob. Not surprised that P&N posters would say "he makes some good points".

Sure, if you don't know history, have a set mindset and can't think for yourself, then yea, everyone is a nutjob if you try hard enough.

Did or did not Germany commit genocide against the jews? Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?

Sure, he did. The point is, we ignore all the other people attacked in the Holocaust as well. Where is the cry for the gypsy homeland? The homosexual homeland? The Mongoloid homeland? The point is that the Jews are the "charismatic megafauna" of the human race. Only they were given a homeland because of persecution.

Secondly, the Holocaust is only a big deal because Hitler lost. Victors write the history, not the losers. Look at the American Indian. They suffered an even worse Holocaust than the Jews (over 90% of them killed) and they suffer under an Apartheid-like existence on reservations. The difference between American Indians and Jews? The Jews were on the winning side in WWII, while the Native Americans were not. There are almost no mentions of Stalin's genocide/atrocities except in a passing manner. No one cries for those people (Siberians, Russians, Ukrainians, etc etc).

This is the point Ahmadinejad was trying to make. Jews are charismatic megafauna while all other peoples just have to deal with their plight.

its only a half point, and its not a good one

the jews didn't have to deal with their plight? NO because they were fucking dead

I can appreciate trying to see other points of view, but lets not be delusional here

The surviving Jews received a homeland. You dodged the question. Why did the Jews get a homeland while the surviving Gypsies, homosexuals, Mongoloids, and others affected by the Holocaust not get any consideration?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

Sooner or later you will realize that in order to see that somebody who is called a moron isn't you will have to not be a moron yourself. You aren't going to have very much luck changing the perceptions of a good many of the folk here for that reason.

 

[peonyu]

Heres the truth of it Omar, jews as a people overall are wealthy and have connections. Karl Marx, Lennon, countless scientiests, all jewish. Name one Gypsy who has any real connections on the global stage, you cant do it. Thats why the Jewish holocaust is > the Gypsy holocaust, the Armenian holocaust and countless others. Its not right but thats how things are. Power speaks, money speaks..

On the same token, its the same reason why we bombed Serbia in the late 90s, and dont give a fk about Darfur or other areas which are far worse off...Serbia is in Europe and the Europeans have power and didnt want what was going on there to 'mess' with thier countries and spill over. So we [with nato] got involved and stopped it, im sure it helped our bottom line by doing so in some way.

As for ahwhatshisname, hes right on some issues, media does dominate our country [usa] and the media is very often incedibly biased [cnn/fox/nbc...cant trust them at all nowadays]. On the other hand hes a Islamic zealot and his only reason for being anti jewish is it gives him brownie points with other fanatics in his area. Also im sure if he had his way christians would be slaves to his regime so w/e his words are meaningless to most people.

 

[Aimster]

he sounds like all the other religious fanatics.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: peonyu
Heres the truth of it Omar, jews as a people overall are wealthy and have connections. Karl Marx, Lennon, countless scientiests, all jewish. Name one Gypsy who has any real connections on the global stage, you cant do it. Thats why the Jewish holocaust is > the Gypsy holocaust, the Armenian holocaust and countless others. Its not right but thats how things are. Power speaks, money speaks..

Well yea, I've understood that point for a long time now. It still doesn't make it right and I'm just using it to point out the cognitive dissonance that should be in people's minds. Unfortunately, people can't think for themselves and are wholly ignorant of history.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: peonyu
Heres the truth of it Omar, jews as a people overall are wealthy and have connections. Karl Marx, Lennon, countless scientiests, all jewish.

VI Lenin (not Lennon) was not Jewish but but he did have a lot to say about anti-semitism in the revolution.

Your post reeks of knucklehead bs.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JS80
how do you read this crap? he never directly answers any of the tough questions

His answers require some semblance of an attention span.

Originally posted by: peonyu
On the other hand hes a Islamic zealot and his only reason for being anti jewish is it gives him brownie points with other fanatics in his area.

He isn't ant-Jewish, and to the contrary gets along well with the ones who aren't intent on wiping Palestine off the map. For example sake, see here.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
http://www.newsweek.com/id/216040

I have to say, he does make some very good points. A lot of our press drowns out his legitimate concerns with hyperbole and mis-information. Worth a read, no matter what your political persuasion is.

I heard his address to the UN this evening live. He is a nutjob. Not surprised that P&N posters would say "he makes some good points".

Sure, if you don't know history, have a set mindset and can't think for yourself, then yea, everyone is a nutjob if you try hard enough.

Did or did not Germany commit genocide against the jews? Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?

Sure, he did. The point is, we ignore all the other people attacked in the Holocaust as well. Where is the cry for the gypsy homeland? The homosexual homeland? The Mongoloid homeland? The point is that the Jews are the "charismatic megafauna" of the human race. Only they were given a homeland because of persecution.

Secondly, the Holocaust is only a big deal because Hitler lost. Victors write the history, not the losers. Look at the American Indian. They suffered an even worse Holocaust than the Jews (over 90% of them killed) and they suffer under an Apartheid-like existence on reservations. The difference between American Indians and Jews? The Jews were on the winning side in WWII, while the Native Americans were not. There are almost no mentions of Stalin's genocide/atrocities except in a passing manner. No one cries for those people (Siberians, Russians, Ukrainians, etc etc).

This is the point Ahmadinejad was trying to make. Jews are charismatic megafauna while all other peoples just have to deal with their plight.

its only a half point, and its not a good one

the jews didn't have to deal with their plight? NO because they were fucking dead

I can appreciate trying to see other points of view, but lets not be delusional here

The surviving Jews received a homeland. You dodged the question. Why did the Jews get a homeland while the surviving Gypsies, homosexuals, Mongoloids, and others affected by the Holocaust not get any consideration?

I didn't dodge any question. What is the deal here? Do you want a homeland for them all?

Why do YOU think that they got a homeland when others didn't?

You dodged my point completely......What about the dead jewish people? They didn't receive a fucking thing.

I don't know anyone who thinks that the other groups didn't deserve some kind of peace of mind afterwards..

So what are you insinuating exactly? The jews are somehow evil because they managed to be semi-successful after having a large portion of their people murdered?

The jews didn't murder those other people. You act as if somehow they should pay for the fact that others suffered as well.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Have you ever wondered if Iranians ever read the Anandtech forums?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Why do YOU think that they got a homeland when others didn't?

I'll bet 0mar knows it was because armageddonist Christians and malevolent elitists had signed on to the plan of turning Palestine into a Jewish homeland long ago, and exploited the atrocities the Nazis committed against Jews as a propaganda tool to push that agenda, just as they continue to do to back Israel's ongoing conquest of what little is left of Palestine today.

 

[extra]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Don't worry. If Glenn Beck questioned the Holocaust all you would hear is "he has the right to his opinions". Mel Gibson's father is a hugely anti-Israel Holocaust denier with a son who has been arrested making ethnic slurs. Wonder their opinion on him.

You forgot almost every person on these boards are partisan hacks, incapable of logical or abstract thinking unless it is a talking point of one of their mouthpieces.
We have no problem with what we did to the Native Americans. Or what China does to their people. Or what South Africaans had done to Blacks. But start mentioning what Hitler, or Castro, or Stalin did and you'd think we were a bunch of Quakers.

Mel Gibson's dad isn't in charge of a country.

And yeah honestly he has a point that there is an issue with the holocaust overshadowing everything else, which is dumb. However that isn't normally what he says. Normally he says it didn't happen--which is obviously nutso. If he came out and said that he would like to focus on all the gays and such that were killed as well, then he'd have a point--cept of course he hates them too just like the germans did lol. If what he said in this interview were his normal rheological i don't think we'd have as much a problem with it.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: extra
Mel Gibson's dad isn't in charge of a country.

Neither is the president of Iran.

Originally posted by: extra
Normally he says it didn't happen--which is obviously nutso.

Can you quote any such statement from him? From what I've seen of his statements on the matter, they have always been the same as they are now, and are simply misrepresented as denial of historical fact by nutsos who do believe the Nazi genocide of Jews should overshadow everything else, and are set on misleading others into supporting them on that.

On a side note, I consider referring to the Nazi genocide as "The Holocaust" nutso in itself. Of course I know many rational people use the term simply because it is commonly accepted, but knowing the traditional meaning of the "holocaust" is a sacrificial offering to a deity, using it to refer to genocide strikes me as outright insane. Such terminology suggests Hitler was some sort of high priest doing the work of God, which of course is the opinion of nutsos like John Hagee, but I figure most people only support that concept unwittingly, unaware of the theological implication of the term.