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ahh..... We are no longer under the influence of BILL CLINTON

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Really virtually all the US presidents (well at least most of them, at least it seems like it) have screwed arround, so really its no big deal that Clinton screwed arround. & lying about it is no big a deal either, as its part 'n parcel to lie about it when you screw arround.

The American reaction was totally over the top - In most of the world a leader doesn't has respect unless he's a pants man & screws arround. Look at France, where the French take pride in the fact that Mitterand had a kept mistress in a flat in town (at Mitterand's funeral the mistress walked side by side with his wife). Then there's Indonesia's Sukarno, who the CIA tried to blackmail, by getting a woman from the Russian embassy (who was secretly working for the Americans) to seduce him. But it backfired when all the Indonesians took pride in Sukarno & that he still had women wowsing 'magic'. Look at Africa, where its impossible for an African leader (except Mandela) to have the respect of his people, unless he has a retinue of wives & mistresses following him arround where ever he goes.

IMAO, I don't think any of America's postwar presidents have lived up to Roosevelt's legacy. Which isnt surprising as they were all politicians & as we all know, politicians are (in general, there's the odd exception), like lawyers & bureaucrats(actually many polies have been all 3) the lowest form of life. In this regard American politicians are no different than politicians anywhere else on the planet.

Mnn...I've got the feeling I've already said all this somewhwere else.......
 


<< Look at France, where the French take pride in the fact that Mitterand had a kept mistress in a flat in town >>



Yes, look at France and their whole lifestyle, what a mess. 😀

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Red Dawn
The ONLY one that spreads hate on as thick as you do are all the Liberals. Greenspan had more to do with the economy than Clinton. Clinton's nearsited policies have our econpmy in the dumps now.
You always want to ignore history and what really happened after Carter, so I'll let you choose ignorance....I and others have pointed out you are wrong too many times to count. Keep spouting though, you do that best.

DEBANSHEE

You've said 'they all do it.' Carter, Reagan, Bush. Those are three that didn't and Eisenhower and Kennedy didn't lie in court about it.

Clinton's main accomplishment? Making BlowJob a household word!
 


<< We are no longer under the influence of BILL CLINTON >>




As long NAFTA is in place we will always be under the influence of of at least one of the accomplishments of Bill Clinton, a more brilliant American leader than most any in recent history. The witch hunt will only strengthen his position in history.
 
OK, here's a clue for Subversal and DABANSHEE. Clinton exposed himself to Paula Jones. She wouldn't &quot;do his bidding&quot;. Her &quot;meeting&quot; with him was discovered and her reputation sullied. If she were your daughter, what would you suggest that she do?

She took him to court and ultimately showed his true colors. It was all his own doing and the result absolutely served him right.

Uh, any questions?
 


<< You're the Ass who compared Clinton and Gore to Hitler remember? >>



I do not recall the specifics.

However if I was comparing the number of deaths to innocent people Clinton/Gore and their supporters are responsible for vs Hitler, the comparison does a disservice to Hitler.

🙂

 


<< OK, here's a clue for Subversal and DABANSHEE. Clinton exposed himself to Paula Jones. She wouldn't &quot;do his bidding&quot;. Her &quot;meeting&quot; with him was discovered and her reputation sullied. If she were your daughter, what would you suggest that she do? >>



Here's a clue for you Ornery... it is his word against hers. You cannot prove his sexual proposition was in any way sexual assualt. Also you can't prove she didn't enjoy it nor can you prove she was scarred emotionally. Considering she waited 3 years to bring this silly incident to trial and settled out of court for money even further discredits her. The case was dismissed and found to be based on no merit... and that is where it stands.

&quot;No person, no human being, no public figure, no politician, no president ever had such an investigation into his personal life&quot;. Get it? Personal Life... nothing was proved except that he lied about Monica Lewinsky not Paula Jones (the articles from that deposition were thrown out). End of story.


Uh, any questions?
 
Heh... Here am I looking through hundreds of posts trying to look for this thread, thinking it would have no replies, and here it is... at the top where I can't see it, Hiding. Guess that shows you how many posts a political thread gets.

Republicans are cool. (my 2 cents for this post)
 
Raspewtin, would you be more happy if I changed the thread title to &quot;We are no longer under the Reign of Bill Clinton&quot;?
 
&quot;Uh, any questions?&quot;

Yep, If she were your daughter, what would you suggest that she do?

...settled out of court for money even further discredits her...&quot;

Discredits who? 😛 I think she proved her point, and walked away with cash to boot. What else could she ask for? Did she clear her name or not?

&quot;...he lied about Monica Lewinsky.&quot;

Why was Monica even subpoenaed? Why? He brought the whole thing on himself. End of story... 😛
 
My point is, who cares?

The rest of the world didn't think any worse of him for it. Actually the general 'foreign consenses' (from what I've noticed) seems to be that he was a good president &amp; his personal life is exactly that, his personal life. I've yet to find one of us foreigners, who weren't astounded by the reaction in the US over the matter.

But maybe its a political afiliation thing, it seems virtually all the people who did make a big deal over it were conservaties.
 
That's strange...
I know many foreigners that wonder how Clinton managed to stay in office... any politician here that did anything remotely close to what he did would resign in disgrace, no questions asked..
 


<< Raspewtin, would you be more happy if I changed the thread title to &quot;We are no longer under the Reign of Bill Clinton&quot;? >>



hehe, I'm happy either way 🙂 I guess I just interpreted your topic title literally. It's good to see so many different viewpoints.



<< politician here that did anything remotely close to what he did would resign in disgrace, no questions asked.. >>



Where is &quot;here&quot;? Just curious.
 


<< Discredits who? I think she proved her point, and walked away with cash to boot. What else could she ask for? Did she clear her name or not? >>



Proved what point? She wanted a confession and an apology and never got that. All she got was money and that doesn't prove a damn thing. She didn't clear her name, many people settle things out of court with money which doesn't prove anything except that their ethic are out of wack. If she really wanted him to pay why didn't she get him convicted... because she couldn't.




<< Yep, If she were your daughter, what would you suggest that she do? >>




The fact remains that she isn't. And even daughters lie and aren't perfect little angels... or in your eyese they are. For all you and I know she was in it for the money. How could you say otherwise when thats what it came down do.



<< Why was Monica even subpoenaed? Why? He brought the whole thing on himself. End of story... >>




Well the only reason it got that far was with Conservative backers paying up Paula Jones legal fees trying to to find anything they could on the man. And all they could find was a he lied and slept with an intern. Pretty sad if you ask me when they had no right to invade his life like that.

What if Bill Clinton were your Father? What would you have him do? Answer me that? You wouldn't want the world to know about your father's personal life.
 
If my father were the president of a corporation, was caught having sex with an intern... I would expect him to lose his job, just like I expected Clinton to lose his. The only difference is he is a politician with influence...
 
I don't know why anyone expected him to lose his job. The original purpose of the special counsel was to investigate Whitewater, which had nothing to do Ms. Lewinsky. It should have never gone that far. End of story.
 


<< As long NAFTA is in place we will always be under the influence of of at least one of the accomplishments of Bill Clinton, a more brilliant American leader than most any in recent history. The witch hunt will only strengthen his position in history. >>





Nafta was only passed because of overwhelming support from the Republican Congress. The democrats were dead set agianst it. As I said in an early post Clinton became a quasi-republican as a way of getting re-elected.
 
<< If my father were the president of a corporation, was caught having sex with an intern >>

Yep, he would quickly be discharged...after having discharged.

Horny young presidents with feminazi spouses: this scenario should be avoided. At least Shrub looks to actually love his wife and vice versa. Hopefully, instead of messing around with women on our time, Shrub will do the Nation's Bidnuss instead of his intern.
 
What did Bill Clinton do to our country?

He made high school students like myself believe that oral sex isn't sex 🙂 thanks Bill! 🙂
 
I think some of you need to stop being so focused on the little things.....

For instance, I'm sad that Gore didn't win, but I refuse to act like a whiner and think aah screw bush he's such a nazi I hope he dies in office and I can't wait until he leaves. I'm sure he'll make a good president.

I think Clinton's remarkable charisma and attitude is half of his presidency....you gotta have someone you bother listening to / looking at, or you can't get anyone's attention, and Clinton was able to get that attention. AFAIK, he did a lot of great things for your country, and I just think it's so ridiculous saying that he was a pain and didn't do anything good for the USA.

He had sex with an intern. SO WHAT? I cannot stress this enough.....he's a MAN.....dammit....men have sex, some in other places than others. Leave it be 🙂
 
There is one reason that I'm glad he's gone. Now maybe someone will give the republicans a taste of there own medicine. I'm hoping Bill will become a radio talk show host like Rush Limbaugh(Since he will be out of business) Lets see how the republicans like being slammed for anything that can be dragged up 24/7. BTW I'm a GDI, so don't think I'm just a demo sore loser. I'm just fed up with politics in general.
 
If he were my dad! 😛

Man, I get into it with my dad plenty, because he belongs to that party. He generally is totally against everything it represents liberal-wise, big government-wise and welfare sponger-wise. But since he does vote for all their representatives, I like to rub his nose in the results.

One result of Democrat/Feminist input are the laws regarding a hostile work environment . Believe me, it wasn't folks like Clarence Thomas or Bob Packwood that put these laws on the books. Now we have to watch every word we utter around women at work. No calendars of bikini clad girls allowed. No &quot;suggestive comments&quot;. And yet the governor of Arkansas, champion of feminists, can pull that crap and expect to walk away? We have to live by the cockamamie laws his party puts in place and yet, not he? SURE! YOU BET! 😛

Who do you believe, Jones or Clinton?
 
Dan

>>. Nor will the Bush Administration think the world stability is promoted by illegalling helping China achieve military parity with us. <<

I'm not getting into an arguement with you,but the fact is China and Russia are teaming up now, more than likely because of the sabor rattling of this dimwit shrub shooting off his mouth about a missle defense system he is planning and the residue of his fathers failings in dealing with the middle east problem effectively and decisevly 10 years ago. We in America should humbly accept our postion in the world,rather than beating our chests like we are some kind of John wayne cowboy. This pisses off the other people we share this planet with.🙁
 
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