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Czar

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Originally posted by: chess9
Czar:

That was going to be my exact point. Format C: got it basically right until he went too far. The dangers of being on a "roll" are enormous. :)

-Robert

erm that wasnt me, it was sandorski
the bastard stole my smilie face :D
 

Czar

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Format C:
Translation:

The Federal Government shall not promote or endorse by law any specific religion.

AND just as important...

The Federal Government shall not discourage or inhibit by law any expression of religion.

The wall of seperation Jefferson speaks of is not a Federal guarantee that one will not be subjected to expressions of religion in public but rather just the opposite. The government cannot mandate which religion you subsribe to, if any, nor will it protect you from anyone else's exercise and expression of theirs. One is guaranteed the right and granted the freedom to choose and express their religion free of the intrusion of The State, but the corollary to that right is one's tolerance and acceptance of other's choices and expressions thereof. One has the right to choose to not subscribe to a religion at all nor to partake of any expressions of faith, but they do not have the right to be free from or intolerant of others ability to freely do so. In other words, as many have said, its freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

Not quite. It is both Freedom Of and Freedom From. The difference really is in what "From" is. Certainly people are Free to express their Beliefs, no one is Free From that. OTOH, no one can be forced Religion on them, this is where Freedom From comes in. Since this arguement centers around expressions of Religion in "Public"(re: Government Institutions rather than outside ones' home), Free Expression in such places goes beyond expression of an Individual and gains the weight of Government acceptance/promotion.
I disagree. A government expressly prohibited from restricting a right granted to its citizens cannot then engage in restricting the time, the place, or the manner in which that right is expressed.
its basicly just marketing, people who buy and favor pepsi over coke wouldnt be happy if Coke would suddenly become governmentaly sponsered and we would see giant coke ads in governmental buildings

the government should not favor one brand over another
 

n0cmonkey

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We have a teacher getting fired for supervising a poetry group in which a student was being harrassed by the administration for writing a poem that dealt with POLITICAL BELIEFS, and the most you people can talk about is Jesus YES! and Jesus NO!

Unbelievable.