AGP won't die !! AGP is immortal !!!! Muhahaha

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Matt2
Haha, Fuad should not be allowed internet access.

I disagree completely. Fuad was about the only guy at the Inq (past tense on purpose) who would publish news from mostly credible sources before it was released. And Fuad would immediately admit he got it wrong with no excuses if it was a flight of fancy. Unlike other news sources, the Inq does not sign NDAs. Because of that, they are not limited to them. It also means they are less in the pockets of mfgrs as they are not worried about not being included in the next big release. Nothing at stake, nothing to lose in reporting what it really is like.

And if not getting it right all the time bothers you, get out of IT. At least the Inq tells you something wrong unintentionally. It is an easier game to play than figuring out what the mfgrs told you that is untrue (and they know it).

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: jbass
Sounds good to me. I have a Shuttle with an AGP slot. I can play the latest games at full resolution and max settings on my 6800GT. I would certainly upgrade to a DX10 card when the time is right. I have no reason to upgrade the motherboard/case.

Haha, right. Battlefield 1942 and Unreal Tournament are not "the latest games".

My PC wouldn't be able to run Oblivion at 1600*1200 with absolutely everything up to the max, and I daresay it's a little bit heftier than your shuttle with 6800GT.

 

[ScrewFace]

Even my rig with dual BFG GeForce 512MB 7950GTs can barely run Oblivion at 1600x1200 with everything maxed out at 80 fps. My 2 cards are about equal the the GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Genx87

By Fuad Abazovic

Houston, we have a problem.

Lies! All Lies!


Fuad = internet alias of Iraqi Information Minister

Originally posted by: yh125td
soon enough AGP is gonna be 2 generations behind with pci-e 2.0


AGP SUX!

Have we even saturated the AGP 4X bus or the AGP 8X bus yet with a single chip / card solution?

From some benchmarks I was looking at awhile back, specifically that weird via C2D motherboard that could use DDR and had an AGP slot as well as a 4x PCI-E slot that you could install PCI-E 16x cards in...AGP 4x is yes, 8x no. However, that was before the latest nvidia cards which may have changed the equation.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Matt2
and the cost to produce AGP cards that are inevitably passed on to PCI-E users is immortal as well.

I don't understand. AGP cards are usually just the PCI-E variant with an adaptor built in, and they have a hefty price premium attached as well. It seems like the AGP users are paying their share.

 

[jim1976]

I can perfectly understand that moving to PCIx bares a significant cost,I'm well aware of that and I respect the decisions of many users not to jump to this protocol yet..

But today you can find yourself a cheap mobo that supports previous cpus and DDR-1 memory along with PCIx..

If you ask me it is a much wiser choice to eventually move to PCIx.. Price/performance wise you get better value from the similar products between AGP-PCIx.. And you don't have to wait for a long time before you can actually get yourself a new gpu after a series launch.. Neither you get crippled cards and have a greater variety to choose from..

Just my 2 cents..

 

[Aikouka]

Thank God AGP users never get their way, or else even they wouldn't exist.*

*Note: Think PCI .

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
Not to burst anyones bubbles but... AGP just got shot by nVidia.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4704

According to our sources, there will not be any AGP versions for GeForce 8 series because simply it can't support. Therefore all DX10 G80, G84 and G86 cards will be PCI Express based. Also NVIDIA has not revealed the official marketing name for G84 and G86 yet but there will be 2 SKUs for G84 and one SKU for G86 at launch. G84GTS (G84-300) and G84GT (G84-400) are slated for launch in April while G86 (G86-300) will launch later in May. Interesting, G86-300 is 128-bit like the G84 while the rest of the G86 variants are 64-bit.

Haha, Fuad should not be allowed internet access.

Time to finally go PCI-E folks... Yes, yes, I know, cold dead hands.

Just sell the whole system and build yourself a new rig. I go to a 4 year university, pay rent, pay bills, drink lots of alcohol and smoke cigarettes while working 20 hours a week. I found a way to go PCI-E, so I dont wanna hear the lame rich kid excuse.

Mow some lawns, spend your tax returns, get a job, get a Xbox. I just dont get why AGP users are so unwilling to update their platform, but are incredibly eager to waste $250 on a new AGP card every upgrade cycle.

You're going to have to overhaul your system anyways, so why not just skip a video card or two and actually do it instead of throwing your money in a fire and burning it.

So I need to buy a new proc/memory/mobo/vid card instead of just a vid card? Makes no sense when I can just pick up a 1950 for my rig and it'll keep me happy for another year and a half at least.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Thank God AGP users never get their way, or else even they wouldn't exist.*

*Note: Think PCI .

I am waiting for the ISA version myself. No more MCA, no sirree.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: gsellis
I am waiting for the ISA version myself. No more MCA, no sirree.

OMG LIEK UPGRAED TO VESA NOOB :Q.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Auric
There won't be 8300 and 8600's only if the HSI bridge is not compatible. Otherwise the cores are reportedly compatible with previous board designs so it is not a beeg deal for AIB's to make them even if there isn't a reference design for a particular model -witness the 7600 GT from Leadtek, Pine/XFX and Palit. So while a 256-bit 512MB 8600 whatever may be a bit much to expect, a 128-bit with modest improvements over the previous generation may not be too "pie in teh sky". Some competition for the X1950 Pro & XT would be nice anyway.

I did read somewhere that nVidia has stopped making the HSI Bridge chips a while back but I can't find the report now. That could be the reason for there not being DX10 AGP from nVidia.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: Modular

Originally posted by: yh125td
soon enough AGP is gonna be 2 generations behind with pci-e 2.0


AGP SUX!

There was no reason to go to PCI-e other than SLI and Cross-fire. All you suckers bought new MOBO's and CPU's for nothing.

There was no reason? what, you'd rather spend $200 on a good agp card than spend $150 on a better PCI-e card? PCI-e is cheaper, has many more options, and is the standard. AGP IS DEAD. Realize it already and move to pci-e like the rest of us.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: barfo

Originally posted by: jbass
I can play the latest games at full resolution and max settings on my 6800GT.

Does your monitor have a max res of 640x480?

Yeah, I call BS. Utter and complete BS. My X1900XTX can't even run every game at 1680x1050 and max settings.

No kidding ... When I was using a 6800GT/NForce 3 based system I had a really tough time playing any new game above 1024x768 & Oblivion for example became a slide-show at that resolution in outdoor fight scenes. It got a lot better when I upgraded to my X1900XTX/NForce 4 system which allowed 1280x1024 with max settings (& still a few slowdowns), but it wasn't until I got my current 8800GTX/2.8ghx A64 based system that I was really able to crank the settings to maximum with impunity right up to 1920x1200.

People only make claims like that because the most recent game they've played is Quake 3.

 

[aimforsilence]

but why would you even think of doing that...? when PCI-E version 2 is around the corner?

 

[cKGunslinger]

I'm in the camp where my x800GTO AGP plays everything I want @ 1440x900. I gave up the upgrade-race a long time ago.

*shrug*

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

I'm in the camp where my x800GTO AGP plays everything I want @ 1440x900. I gave up the upgrade-race a long time ago.

By making a realistic statement and not running off at the mouth, I think you are the most intelligent person in here sir.
I SALUTE YOU!

As for me, even though Oblivion and Neverwinter Nights 2 were disappointments, I still want to be able to try them and I cant do that effectively with an 8500 or 9700 Pro or even an X800 Pro.
Eventually I had to move up (and also switched camps) and got the 7900GTX.
So far, so good. And I will certainly wait until the next generation of games is out before upgrading again.

Spending $500+ on the latest and greatest does seem kind of silly.

 

[Goi]

I'd quote Dick Cheney and say it's probably in its "last throes"

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: Goi
I'd quote Dick Cheney and say it's probably in its "last throes"

Heh.

Seems AGP may outlive PCIe 1.x. Now that truly will be dead since there will be no reason to continue producing such spec mobos or cards and indeed 2.0 will make for a nice marketing bullet-point just as transitional PCIe did versus AGP. Sure, the viddy cards will be backwards compatible with previous gen mobos but to take advantage of the high-end ones will surely require a system overhaul. The good news is that new schtuff will truly be worth upgrading to this time 'round. Besides CPU and GPU, DDR3 should be both cheaper and better, which could not be said previous, plus better chipsets, on-board NAND, and so on.