Agp lives!!! ATI/Amd 3850 AGP card comming

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Yes I do. There are AGP Core 2 Duo boards out there, they are rare and mainly use via chipsets, but they are there.

there are plenty ... ASrock has several decent choices
--AGP is fine for people who just want a drop-in upgrade and it's bandwidth is about the same as 4xPCIe .... still decent for a 8800GTS/2900xt gaming.


the PCIe people who have already upgraded should *not* care one way or another
:roll:

 

[ManWithNoName]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Why do some of you people hate AGP so much?

It's the gang mentality and AGP is an easy target. It's probably the same people who pick on the fat kid at school or the one who's wearing glasses. If manufacturer's want to continue making AGP boards and people keep buying them, that's great. It doesn't affect PCI-E Users on price or quality of product that they receive, so why should it bother them? See first sentence. There are many reasons why people don't wan't to switch to PCI-E, and half of the time it has nothing to do with money.

The above was not directed at anyone who has posted in earnest just to point out the cost/benefit of switching platforms.

 

[nefariouscaine]

Back before I made the jump I would have been drooling over this for an upgrade.
At the time it was cheaper for me to get a 939 PCI-e setup than keep running my AGP setup - cost me less than 150 for mobo and cpu - sold my P4 mobo/cpu for almost that much

The cost for the 7800GS AGP was way too high for what you got. Sold my 6800GT AGP and got a 6800GT PCI-e for less than what I sold that for.

 

[onlyCOpunk]

I proudly have an AGP system and PATA drives! No reason for me to upgrade yet. When I built this system, the jump to PCIe boards was too much money then what it was worth at the time. And I recently bought a new AGP card to get some extra life out of this machine before I dumped it. No biggie, and Athlon XP's were a great CPU, I'm in no hurry to get rid of this puppy.

Also I will upgrade when computer games start surpassing consoles. As currently most of the games I "can't" play can play on a $300 console. I'm awaiting the release of UT3 on the PS3 so I can drop $60 on it, hook up a keyboard and mouse and not have to worry about "performance." When the hardware that can fully support Crysis becomes mid range, then I'll probably upgrade.

 

[nemesismk2]

I can't wait to get my Athlon XP 3200 equipped with a 3850! It will make a great upgrade from my Sapphire x1950 Pro 512mb AGP

Do you think I will increase my 3dmark 2006 from 4314 with it?
Will it allow me to score more than 10,000 with Supreme Commander?
Finally will it allow me to run World in Conflict higher than low quality?

 

[Denithor]

It's not like I am "FFS kill the AGP socket" or anything, I just think it's silly that they are still releasing new cards for it 3-4 years after PCI-E should have replaced it.

High-end cards now exceed the bandwidth provided by AGP. Next generation mid-range cards will also exceed this bandwidth. That will probably spell the end for AGP, when it seriously limits the performance of the card inserted in the socket and you don't get any better performance from your new AGP card than your older one provided.

Could this be about to happen with the 3850 compared to x1950pro/xt? Obviously you get DX10 support but otherwise would there be a real performance boost?

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
I can't wait to get my Athlon XP 3200 equipped with a 3850! It will make a great upgrade from my Sapphire x1950 Pro 512mb AGP

Do you think I will increase my 3dmark 2006 from 4314 with it?
Will it allow me to score more than 10,000 with Supreme Commander?
Finally will it allow me to run World in Conflict higher than low quality?

you wont be able to break 10k

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
I can't wait to get my Athlon XP 3200 equipped with a 3850! It will make a great upgrade from my Sapphire x1950 Pro 512mb AGP

Do you think I will increase my 3dmark 2006 from 4314 with it?
Will it allow me to score more than 10,000 with Supreme Commander?
Finally will it allow me to run World in Conflict higher than low quality?

you wont be able to break 10k

Yeah I think so too but I will have an advanced dx10 capable vista athlon xp computer!

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Those are probably the same kiddies who look down on parallel ATA drives and have no floppy disk drive in their enclosure.

uh, yeah... Well, I have a floppy but it's on my desktop right now.

 

[bryanW1995]

for an agp c2d owner the 3850 makes perfect sense. for a p4 owner you'll do just as well with a 1950pro since you'll almost certainly be cpu-limited.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: JAG87
oh my lord, nuke AGP already

You can pry my AGP mobo from my cold dead fingers! :frown:

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
for an agp c2d owner the 3850 makes perfect sense. for a p4 owner you'll do just as well with a 1950pro since you'll almost certainly be cpu-limited.

Last gen decode is meh though. 3850 promises to marry the top-notch Avivo HD of the 2600 with the 3D peformance of at least the 1950. Alas, the power requirement is betwixt the Pro and XT so may require new PSUs but the good news is the performance is then prolly more XT-ish.

 

[taltamir]

with the amount they charge for legacy hardware you are usually better off purchasing a new board rather then upgrades...

you have a p4 with agp and want newer games? you need a new mobo, ram, video card, and cpu. Otherwise don't even bother.. a computer is only as fast as the slowest component.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Be a nice drop in for an otherwise stout workstation. Pop one in with a 2p Opty or Xeon mobo and yer cookin' . . .

 

[Emission]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
Has the AGP bus been maxed out yet? If so, then this is incredibly pointless.

Nah, the most powerful AGP card to date hasn't maxed out the bandwidth, iirc.

 

[Auric]

Face it, PCIe 1 is dead. AGP has outlived it. Don't be bitter

 

[phusg]

Originally posted by: JAG87
oh my lord, nuke AGP already

IMHO the nuke AGP posts in every new AGP card topic should be the target of the nukes. Let's not forget that AGP cards are not only used for 3D games, see http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-ATI. Admittedly this client doesn't support the DX10 cards yet, but it is being worked on as we speak...

 

[Creig]

AMD obviously feels that there are enough people out there with higher end AGP systems who will purchase one. Otherwise, why build it in the first place? I'm pretty sure that before the first card rolled off the production line that they conducted studies to determine whether the market would support a new, faster AGP card. AGP will continue to slowly phase out on its own, at its own pace. Don't bother trying to rush it along. I have both AGP and PCIe systems and welcome every new model that becomes available in EITHER interface. More choices = good for the consumer.

 

[Skunkwourk]

its hard enough to upgrade when you're a college student, even harder after you've worked a couple years, learned the value of money, and then decided to pursue a professional degree.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

i'd actually be happy even if they just match the current agp cards to their pcie versions. but still, i''m excited about this new card.

 

[Ares202]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
Has the AGP bus been maxed out yet? If so, then this is incredibly pointless.

pushing the limits im guessing

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
I just have one question


WHY!?

just kill off AGP.

Because there is still a large market for AGP apparently. Why kill something off when there is still money to be made there?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

whats the latest news on this?

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Yes I do. There are AGP Core 2 Duo boards out there, they are rare and mainly use via chipsets, but they are there.

there are plenty ... ASrock has several decent choices
--AGP is fine for people who just want a drop-in upgrade and it's bandwidth is about the same as 4xPCIe .... still decent for a 8800GTS/2900xt gaming.


the PCIe people who have already upgraded should *not* care one way or another
:roll:

agreed

I hope APG card sells like a wildfire !

 

[Stumps]

hmmm, that would be pretty sweet for those of us that have a system with the Asrock 4coredual VSTA/SATA2 boards in them that are currently incompatitble with the PCI-E versions of the 3800 series...although it would probably be a bit of overkill for my lowly P-D 820@3.6ghz system.