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AGP 8x Is Coming

A big Yawn.


With video cards having 128megs & soon I bet 256megs card will start showing up,do we really need a faster AGP X8 ?

Sound like overkill,just like we dont really need ata133.😉
 
its supposed to be for faster vertex data xfers. but theres still a problem of main memory not having enough bandwidth. in a year it might. AGP 8x can suck down enough that it would swamp the average athlon's ram, and we all know the high speed p4s need all the bandwidth they can get, so i'm not sure where this 2.1GBps is supposed to come from.
 
oh, that is absolutely awesome!!

i personally can't wait...if u think back to the bump from AGP 1x to 2x, it was a paradigm shift...it brought very little performance gain w/ added instability and compatibility issues...and 2x to 4x was even worse!...4x to 8x is going to be astounding!

better grab a PCI video card while i still can.
 
A big Yawn.


Pretty much. I expect about as much improvement from 8x as we saw from 4x. Future games will always be more demanding of the hardware, but performance seems to center more around the bandwidth of the video card's memory and the speed of the GPU as well as its pipeline. Yeah it's inevitable, but it's not exactly revolutionary.
 
Finally!! Now all my games are going to look like Final Fantasy the movie with AGP8x. It's about time we've overcome the crippling bottleneck that is AGP4x.
 
Originally posted by: nortexoid
oh, that is absolutely awesome!!

i personally can't wait...if u think back to the bump from AGP 1x to 2x, it was a paradigm shift...it brought very little performance gain w/ added instability and compatibility issues...and 2x to 4x was even worse!...4x to 8x is going to be astounding!

better grab a PCI video card while i still can.
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My thoughts exactly.

 
i personally am waiting for AGP16X!
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Looks like i'm buying one of those newest 8x agp cards along with a motherboard when that comes out woohoo....and i thought i was good now.
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
I think a lot of you guys are seriously underestimating just how good this technology really is.
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Are we? care to show us some examples?

Not till I see it actually show improvement, I wont care. Maybe it will be needed when doom 3 is released, maybe later then that.

 
I think you guys are being a little tough on these new standards. What kind of guidance would it be to announce a new spec only after the existing one is the bottleneck??? Chipset companies work closely with graphics card companies to anticipate future requirements.

The AGP bus in particular will be come a bottleneck as games use more and more polygons and the CPU needs to feed more and more vertices to the graphics controller. I would personally prefer to have the system I buy today have the sufficient bandwidth to work with my NV35 upgrade a year and a half from now. I bet if someone did a study about plugging a GF4 4600 into a AGP 1x-2x slot, there would be a performance hit on high polygon games.
 
This was just discussed in a previous thread. All the people here that agree with me that 8X is useless and will be for awhile seemed to miss that one, since I seemed to be the only one there. 🙂

I was actually going to do a quick benchmark of my Ti4400 with AGP1X and 2X, but for some reason I cannot adjust the AGP setting. No matter what I set in my K7S5A BIOS, it still runs at 4X in WinXP, and no utilities including RivaTuner and Powerstrip are able to adjust it.
 
kinda pointless since most game developers design their games with two year old graphics cards in mind

Right, so it is always pointless to buy the latest card out? Well, I agree from a personal standpoint. If everyone did that however, we would still be playing King's Quest in 16 color mode. Face it, it is a viscous cycle... games designers design for old cards, consumers wait for games to improve before buying new ones. As tech enthusiasts though, it should be our agenda to welcome newer standards with open arms, as this will allow application developers to set the bar higher.

Aren't we all excited about what Carmack is doing in Doom3? Well, if new standards were adopted faster and consumers upgrades faster, there would be much more developers pushing the envelope.

...yeah, yeah, yeah... I know I need to get out of fantasy land
 
Are we? care to show us some examples?
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I can't show you any examples until it's released. In the meantime I can explain at a technical level what its implications are and I've already done so a number of times.

I bet if someone did a study about plugging a GF4 4600 into a AGP 1x-2x slot, there would be a performance hit on high polygon games.
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Absolutely. There is a significant performance delta betwen AGP x1 and AGP x4, even in today's T&L enhanced games.
 
kinda pointless since most game developers design their games with two year old graphics cards in mind
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Then I guess that makes the Parhelia pointless too, right Czar? After all, how many two year old graphics cards support triple head, 30 bit colour and have ~20 GB/sec memory bandwidth?

Yet the Parhelia is the second coming of Christ while AGP x8 is "not needed because developers design their games for two year old graphics cards".

Interesting.
 
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